FWST Blog: So how close was Garrett on Rams job? *Merge*

[theogt]

you are being incredibly naive if you really believe this

I'm pretty sure the franchise's doing the interviewing pay for all the accomodations during the interview process...if they didnt deem Garrett as a potential hire, they'd have never flown him back up there for this..why would they waste their time and money to do this if Garrett wasnt a strong possibility, or if they had already made up their mind to hire someone else?

Right...it's naive to believe a news article that states it as a plain fact. Not a "might" or "we think this happened" or "sources believe."

 

[Cowboyz88]

Again, I'm not saying he had a great year, because I felt he had a lot of scratch-your-head moments. The no-Felix involvement against the Commanders was very strange to say the least.

But, as I've said, I felt like he had some things going against him — injuries [Pro Bowl QB, home-run hitter (Felix), Pro-Bowl RB, starting and backup LG, and hampered Pro Bowl TE], primma donna, loud-mouthed WR, probably some cockiness as a result of his immediate success in '07, and from all reports, a poisoned locker room.

As coach, could he have addressed some of those issues? Without a doubt. Again, maybe he was too cocky, stubborn or maybe he didn't want to undermine or usurp Wade's authority. Whatever the case, it's obvious that he's still learning.

That said, for me, he needs to step it back up this year. If not, then I think he's got to go, but if he returns to '07 form, then the team will only be better.

It's a fine line between being a genius and being a fool.

Let us say that was the case... Why didn't Garrett shorten the routes? Why did he insist on going 7 step drops, with deep vertical routes, while Romo continued to get hammered? He almost destroyed our franchise QB with his inept play-calling. Garrett could have set this franchise back many years, as InmanRoshi, whom I vehemently disagree with in many matters, pointed out in one of the best posts I read on this forum, because of his inept-ness. How long was thsi team looking for a QB, and found it? A QB that pretty much fell in our lap. It was like striking gold.

That is alone worthy enough to get him fired, especially with all the money he got paid.

 

[theogt]

what did you expect him to say? "we really wanted Garrett but our deal fell apart over money"??

of course not...

Yeah, everyone's lying. The owner, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Everyone. I'm so naive.

LOL.

 

[dbair1967]

Yeah, everyone's lying. The owner, the St. Louis Post-Dispatch. Everyone. I'm so naive.

LOL.

so why did they bring him back up there then?

 

[theogt]

so why did they bring him back up there then?

What do "insisted" mean?

According to that article (with direct quotes from the GM), the team placed a big emphasis on the coach's wife, "who would help be the face of the franchise and be active in community relations." Sounds bizarre to me, but that's what they're saying. My guess is Garrett knew that and thought bringing his wife might help him clinch the deal. But if a potential employee says they'd like to come back and tour things before a decision is made, I don't see why they'd turn him down.

 

[chinch]

Garrett's current contract has 2 years left on it (maybe 3) worth $6 million (or $9 million). If it's about money, he made one helluva stupid decision.

But then, it's pretty obvious it's not about the money and he just wasn't a top candidate for the job.

no he didn't. it's only stupid for those who prefer to panic - like yourself? - and sell low.

why take a cut-rate deal after a bad season where he sees alot of outside factors were working against him. he has TWO YEARS to right the ship and his ego is just a tad bit smaller than jerry's.

he also has probably an 80% shot at being HC here for MORE MONEY in 2010 (after pocketing $3m this year).

 

[TheCount]

Just curious.

Who here would take a pay cut to do a job with more pressure and more responsibility?

From what we've been hearing, Garrett is too noble a man to care about money.

 

[Alexander]

From what we've been hearing, Garrett is too noble a man to care about money.

:laugh2:

 

[Chocolate Lab]

From what we've been hearing, Garrett is too noble a man to care about money.

Garrett > Tim Tebow?

It's close.

 

[Nirvana]

From what we've been hearing, Garrett is too noble a man to care about money.

Which is why the wife came in tow to the contract talks.

:laugh1:

 

[theogt]

no he didn't. it's only stupid for those who prefer to panic - like yourself? - and sell low.

why take a cut-rate deal after a bad season where he sees alot of outside factors were working against him. he has TWO YEARS to right the ship and his ego is just a tad bit smaller than jerry's.

he also has probably an 80% shot at being HC here for MORE MONEY in 2010 (after pocketing $3m this year).

Cut rate deal? He'd be taking a 3% pay cut over the next two years, but would have a major promotion? This is just stupid.

 

[JBS]

Garrett > Tim Tebow?

It's close.

holy cow! my keyboard doesnt even let me insert the > and then try and enter Tim Tebows name afterwards..I can do it this way tho < Tim Tebow..Even if I try to put in Tebows name first then symbol infront it does not work...

 

[chinch]

Cut rate deal? He'd be taking a 3% pay cut over the next two years, but would have a major promotion? This is just stupid.

THINK LONG TERM.

what is STUPID (a term you continue to use even when posting foolishly BTW) is to think SHORT TERM IN A PANIC off perhaps the worst season of his coaching career.

open up your eyes and look big picture. jason will command a huge salary as HC one day - probably here - and for more $$$ on top of the $6m jerry is gonna pay him guaranteed.

 

[dbair1967]

What do "insisted" mean?

According to that article (with direct quotes from the GM), the team placed a big emphasis on the coach's wife, "who would help be the face of the franchise and be active in community relations." Sounds bizarre to me, but that's what they're saying. My guess is Garrett knew that and thought bringing his wife might help him clinch the deal. But if a potential employee says they'd like to come back and tour things before a decision is made, I don't see why they'd turn him down.

I dont recall seeing what you are referring to, if thats true its easy to see why the Rams are a backwards organization.

However there is something from Jim Thomas' report that makes no sense and is definitely not true:

During his finalist interview Wednesday in Los Angeles, Garrett insisted on visiting St. Louis with his wife to get a look at the city and the facility at Rams Park. So how could the Rams say no to Garrett's visit request — particularly because at that time they had yet to interview Spagnuolo? So Garrett got his "tour" of St. Louis and by late Saturday morning he was headed back to Dallas."

That is not true, they interviewed Spagnoulo well before they interviewed Garrett, who was the last interviewee.

They would have never told/allowed Garrett to come back up there Friday if they had already setttled on Spagnoulo. Why waste their time or his?

 

[theogt]

THINK LONG TERM.

what is STUPID (a term you continue to use even when posting foolishly BTW) is to think SHORT TERM IN A PANIC off perhaps the worst season of his coaching career.

open up your eyes and look big picture. jason will command a huge salary as HC one day - probably here - and for more $$$ on top of the $6m jerry is gonna pay him guaranteed.

Why would anyone pay him more than $3 million per year as a HC? You don't pay more than that unless the guy's won a Super Bowl with a former team and you're bringing him in to rebuild your team.

McDaniels got $2 million. Spags got just under $3 million. And they're the two hottest coordinators on the market.

If he's doing what you're suggesting, he's even dumber and feels more entitled than I had thought.

 

[Nirvana]

Let us say that was the case... Why didn't Garrett shorten the routes? Why did he insist on going 7 step drops, with deep vertical routes, while Romo continued to get hammered? He almost destroyed our franchise QB with his inept play-calling. Garrett could have set this franchise back many years, as InmanRoshi, whom I vehemently disagree with in many matters, pointed out in one of the best posts I read on this forum, because of his inept-ness. How long was thsi team looking for a QB, and found it? A QB that pretty much fell in our lap. It was like striking gold.

That is alone worthy enough to get him fired, especially with all the money he got paid.

Damn straight.

Also, the back-up QB situation could have been solved had Garrett lobbied harder to keep Matt Moore on roster last year. What really bugs me is Garrett was praising Moore highly, then allowed him to be cut for the 53 man roster with the mistaken idea there was hope of landing him on the practice squad. Moore was gone in 5 minutes.

Maybe Garrett made a case (and probably did) that we should keep Moore. However, that's just it. He was weak in his execution and it cost this team.

 

[chinch]

Why would anyone pay him more than $3 million per year as a HC? You don't pay more than that unless the guy's won a Super Bowl with a former team and you're bringing him in to rebuild your team.

are you this dense? jerry is paying him $3m to have 20% the responsibility of HC.

 

[chinch]

Damn straight.

Also, the back-up QB situation could have been solved had Garrett lobbied harder to keep Matt Moore on roster last year. What really bugs me is Garrett was praising Moore highly, then allowed him to be cut for the 53 man roster with the mistaken idea there was hope of landing him on the practice squad. Moore was gone in 5 minutes.

Maybe Garrett made a case (and probably did) that we should keep Moore. However, that's just it. He was weak in his execution and it cost this team.

Jason is the GM/HC now?

 

[big dog cowboy]

A Romo with a bruised pinky is still better than 3/4th of the QBs in this league. If Garrett can't win with him and TO and RW, as well as Choice running like a baller, and Witten and Bennett, he flat-out sucks...

Garrett went 13-4 last year without RW, Choice and Bennett so he must be a genius.

 

[dbair1967]

Why would anyone pay him more than $3 million per year as a HC? You don't pay more than that unless the guy's won a Super Bowl with a former team and you're bringing him in to rebuild your team.

I think Wade got 3+ mils here...Steve Spurrier did in Wash...how much was Marty Schottenheimer paid in SD? I'm guessing Andy Reid gets more than 3 mils a yr now...Atlanta paid Petrino a huge amount of money...what super bowls did Steve Mariucchi win?

I'm not saying I disagree with the argument that elite money should be reserved for proven, big time winning coaches but the fact is owners are paying that or more for people who are not.