FWST JFE: Jason Garrett: the next Sean Payton?

[Chief]

And didn't Jones suggest most of them? I distinctly remember him calling out for more Olgetree and Jones through the season.

That's what I thought. It seemed Jerry wanted more of Felix (and less of Barber whom I'm convinced Jerry doesn't like and will release), and was touting Austin in the summer, and later talked up Ogletree.

It looked like Garrett was resisting some of that ... or slow to make changes.

I do think Garrett got his way with Owens, though. Jerry had to be talked into that.

 

[Chief]

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Looks like a punch to me.:laugh2:

:laugh2:

That is so crazy.

That's the alpha male right there ... something you would see on Animal Planet. It's like watching some aging male animal physically exerting dominating authority over a young wanna-be.

 

[CoCo]

Let me first say that while I give Payton his due for winning a SB it takes more than HC to win a SB. Many things need to align including some luck.

But props to Payton.

Could Garrett have a similar rise to success? Sure. Is it guaranteed? No. Let's see what happens. I like a lot of who Garrett seems to be.

I do think people here can be ridiculously hard on Garrett. But I don't give much credibility to those folks who poo-poo Garrett's lack of experience but at the same time consider themselves fully qualified to provide definitive critique from their couch. Sure, share an opinion. But couch it in a little humility just in case (*gasp*) you could be wrong.

 

[ConstantReboot]

The problem with Garrett is his stubbornness. It seems that he will stick to the same gameplan with every team that we've played. Whether it be a bad defense or a good defense that we play against, it seems Garrett never changes his playcalling. He can and should have adjusted on all those games that we lost. But his refusal to do so is what ultimately made this offense sputter down the stretch.

Garrett should have known that whatever took place in Minnesota was gonna happen. The same way we lost to the Vikings was the same way we lost to the Giants, Green bay, and Denver. There was a pattern to those losses and yet Garrett stubbornly stuck with the same gameplan which netted the same results -- a lost.

This is the problem with Garrett and he really needs to learn how to scrap a gameplan when its not working. We don't have Aikman and Emmitt and he seems to call plays as though as we do.

His entire philosophy needs to change. If Romo is on a hotstreak passing the ball, continue with that momentum. Let him pass it. Don't put in Tashard in wildcat formation. It just ruins that momentum.

There is alot that Garrett needs to do. He is far from perfect. Thus this is why I disagree with some of what the article says. Garrett to me is not gutsy and not as creative as Peyton. Peyton has a feel for the game. He knows how to milk the momentum over and over until the opposing team can stop them. Garrett on the other hand, doesn't know the true value of momentum. He stubbornly sticks with a gameplan no matter if it kills us. That why i doubt that Garrett will make a great coach. Unless I see that he changes his entire offensive philosophy, I won't be eating crow any time soon.

 

[Hostile]

Let me first say that while I give Payton his due for winning a SB it takes more than HC to win a SB. Many things need to align including some luck.

But props to Payton.

Could Garrett have a similar rise to success? Sure. Is it guaranteed? No. Let's see what happens. I like a lot of who Garrett seems to be.

I do think people here can be ridiculously hard on Garrett. But I don't give much credibility to those folks who poo-poo Garrett's lack of experience but at the same time consider themselves fully qualified to provide definitive critique from their couch. Sure, share an opinion. But couch it in a little humility just in case (*gasp*) you could be wrong.

Gold.

 

[Hostile]

The problem with Garrett is his stubbornness. It seems that he will stick to the same gameplan with every team that we've played. Whether it be a bad defense or a good defense that we play against, it seems Garrett never changes his playcalling. He can and should have adjusted on all those games that we lost. But his refusal to do so is what ultimately made this offense sputter down the stretch.

Garrett should have known that whatever took place in Minnesota was gonna happen. The same way we lost to the Vikings was the same way we lost to the Giants, Green bay, and Denver. There was a pattern to those losses and yet Garrett stubbornly stuck with the same gameplan which netted the same results -- a lost.

This is the problem with Garrett and he really needs to learn how to scrap a gameplan when its not working. We don't have Aikman and Emmitt and he seems to call plays as though as we do.

His entire philosophy needs to change. If Romo is on a hotstreak passing the ball, continue with that momentum. Let him pass it. Don't put in Tashard in wildcat formation. It just ruins that momentum.

There is alot that Garrett needs to do. He is far from perfect. Thus this is why I disagree with some of what the article says. Garrett to me is not gutsy and not as creative as Peyton. Peyton has a feel for the game. He knows how to milk the momentum over and over until the opposing team can stop them. Garrett on the other hand, doesn't know the true value of momentum. He stubbornly sticks with a gameplan no matter if it kills us. That why i doubt that Garrett will make a great coach. Unless I see that he changes his entire offensive philosophy, I won't be eating crow any time soon.

Hmm. That sounds a lot like Tom Landry.

No, I did not just compare him to Landry. I merely recounted a History lesson.

 

[Alexander]

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Looks like a punch to me.:laugh2:

A two fisted judo chop is more like it.:laugh2:

 

[Alexander]

That's what I thought. It seemed Jerry wanted more of Felix (and less of Barber whom I'm convinced Jerry doesn't like and will release), and was touting Austin in the summer, and later talked up Ogletree.

It looked like Garrett was resisting some of that ... or slow to make changes.

I do think Garrett got his way with Owens, though. Jerry had to be talked into that.

I know you remember how disappointed Jones was in Barber after the Pittsburgh game and how he questioned his toughness. And after the failed 4th and goal against San Diego, I seem to remember comments from him blaming Barber moreso than the line, like Barber should have been able to muscle out that yard.

 

[Chief]

I know you remember how disappointed Jones was in Barber after the Pittsburgh game and how he questioned his toughness. And after the failed 4th and goal against San Diego, I seem to remember comments from him blaming Barber moreso than the line, like Barber should have been able to muscle out that yard.

Exactly. I bet Barber's gone.

 

[CF74]

Exactly. I bet Barber's gone.

How does that affect the contract situation? Are we on the hook for a lot of dough?

 

[Hostile]

How does that affect the contract situation? Are we on the hook for a lot of dough?

Uncapped year.

Nope.

 

[TheCount]

How does that affect the contract situation? Are we on the hook for a lot of dough?

Yup, we'd have to pay a nice chunk but if they do it next year without the cap, then it's entirely a question of how much money Jones is willing to stomach throwing away from his business cause it has to get recorded in the books, cap or not.

 

[Eskimo]

Exactly. I bet Barber's gone.

Well I wouldn't mourn too much over his departure.

I believe he is a guy who ultimately came to think much too highly of himself after two very good years in a niche role as the "closer" RB. His agent then overinflated his ego further demanding the $45M contract and refusing to sign his tender.

I've always thought Marion to be a decent back but far from a great one and paid about two to three times his actual worth to the team.

I had hoped back in 2008 when we used a first rounder on a RB it was with the idea of trading Barber at the peak of his value and then upgrading in a deep RB class. Alas, the worst of both world's happened with that terrible contract and the drafting of a guy that no one thinks can be a primary back.

Having said that, I do think people are not giving Felix enough credit here. I haven't seen much evidence of contact injury in his career to make me think he can't handle many carries. He doesn't take many direct shots. He is much bigger than people give him credit for at 210 pounds. I know some of it comes from his poor performance on the bench press at the Combine but I bet his is quite a bit stronger now.

I really wouldn't mind going into 2010 without Barber. However, we would need to keep our eyes peeled for a vet backup or a UDFA to keep as a #3 RB.

 

[NextGenBoys]

I think several of you who were Anti-Garrett earlier in the year are starting to come around to what I've been saying from day one.

JFE surely is.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

JFE, you haven't quit writing yet? Haven't you seen the reality of your talents by what this board says?

Your writing really sucks from a content standpoint and I find that your analyses lack depth.

 

[Cover 2]

Well I wouldn't mourn too much over his departure.

I believe he is a guy who ultimately came to think much too highly of himself after two very good years in a niche role as the "closer" RB. His agent then overinflated his ego further demanding the $45M contract and refusing to sign his tender.

I've always thought Marion to be a decent back but far from a great one and paid about two to three times his actual worth to the team.

I had hoped back in 2008 when we used a first rounder on a RB it was with the idea of trading Barber at the peak of his value and then upgrading in a deep RB class. Alas, the worst of both world's happened with that terrible contract and the drafting of a guy that no one thinks can be a primary back.

Having said that, I do think people are not giving Felix enough credit here. I haven't seen much evidence of contact injury in his career to make me think he can't handle many carries. He doesn't take many direct shots. He is much bigger than people give him credit for at 210 pounds. I know some of it comes from his poor performance on the bench press at the Combine but I bet his is quite a bit stronger now.

I really wouldn't mind going into 2010 without Barber. However, we would need to keep our eyes peeled for a vet backup or a UDFA to keep as a #3 RB.

He didn't lift at the Combine. He was incorrectly attributed a false number.

 

[CoCo]

Well I wouldn't mourn too much over his departure.

I believe he is a guy who ultimately came to think much too highly of himself after two very good years in a niche role as the "closer" RB. His agent then overinflated his ego further demanding the $45M contract and refusing to sign his tender.

I've always thought Marion to be a decent back but far from a great one and paid about two to three times his actual worth to the team.

I had hoped back in 2008 when we used a first rounder on a RB it was with the idea of trading Barber at the peak of his value and then upgrading in a deep RB class. Alas, the worst of both world's happened with that terrible contract and the drafting of a guy that no one thinks can be a primary back.

Having said that, I do think people are not giving Felix enough credit here. I haven't seen much evidence of contact injury in his career to make me think he can't handle many carries. He doesn't take many direct shots. He is much bigger than people give him credit for at 210 pounds. I know some of it comes from his poor performance on the bench press at the Combine but I bet his is quite a bit stronger now.

I really wouldn't mind going into 2010 without Barber. However, we would need to keep our eyes peeled for a vet backup or a UDFA to keep as a #3 RB.

I think its fine to objectively conclude that Barber's contribution is no longer worthy of his contract and that renegotiation or release might be in order. I understand that perspective.

What I don't share is a perspective that suggests Marion has been anything but a true warrior for this team either when he quietly waited behind Julius or when he became a starter and played with abandon to the detriment of his own health or even after sustaining injuries that at times he chose to play when frankly he maybe should have sat.

I have deep appreciation for what MB3 has been to this team. Not many guys (maybe Romo) have been simultaneously criticized for not playing and for playing. In each case suggesting that he was being selfish. I think MB# is anything but. Just my opinion.

 

[NextGenBoys]

I think its fine to objectively conclude that Barber's contribution is no longer worthy of his contract and that renegotiation or release might be in order. I understand that perspective.

What I don't share is a perspective that suggests Marion has been anything but a true warrior for this team either when he quietly waited behind Julius or when he became a starter and played with abandon to the detriment of his own health or even after sustaining injuries that at times he chose to play when frankly he maybe should have sat.

I have deep appreciation for what MB3 has been to this team. Not many guys (maybe Romo) have been simultaneously criticized for not playing and for playing. In each case suggesting that he was being selfish. I think MB# is anything but. Just my opinion.

I agree with 100% of that.

 

[thechosen1n2]

Payton seemed to learn it a lot faster. Redball really has not seemed to have made much progress.

Could not have said it better....

 

[EPL0c0]

No. Payton knows how to use efficiently use his RBs, his WRs, his TEs.... Garrett's got a lot to learn.