Garrett 13 in HC Power Rankings

[CowboysFaninHouston]

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I don't get the love for bruce arians...... I also think John Fox is over rated. his time has passed.

 

[Alexander]

Drumroll: Ummm, because we haven't seriously addressed the defensive deficiencies that have been biting us since ~2012.

And---drumroll please, the same head coach has been around longer than that.

So what exactly is this gosh darn issue? I mean, we have the best head coach. We have the best coordinators supposedly. Whoa, look at all this talent we have offensively. But there is that defense, oh that defense.

Part of the head coach's job is to get a team together. Oversee it and ensure that deficiencies are masked and overcome.

I guess the next step is to get Garrett a collection of talent all over the place so his greatness can finally be actualized.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Judging by Atlanta's all timer offense, that is it then? It is one thing to say the team (players and coaches, offense and defense) was not good enough. Instead, you hang it on the defense. Yes, it would have been nice to force turnovers but if we were supposedly square otherwise, it should not have mattered. I would say that devising a game plan where you befuddle the best QB in the game and hold him scoreless for a half. That is not Quinn outsmarting McCarthy?

You mentioned the talent. So go down the line on Atlanta's defensive roster. Outside of Beasley, who is a great player? If that is so, how can coaching and scheming not matter? They called an outstanding game, offensively and defensively, the latter having not exactly the best talent, and seized the game early and never looked back. We did not. We sputtered and coughed offensively and finally awoke to tie late then faltered. We already know the talent is not there defensively and I am not going to claim that Marinelli has all the answers, because clearly that day, he did not.

That is called coaching. It was not just Atlanta's defensive talent. That game was supposed to be a shoot out. It never got that chance.

You can't call it one way (our problem was apparently defensive talent) and then turn around for another team and discount the coaching.

We were deficient in some ways both offensively and defensively to lose that football game.

It is one thing to say it was a team loss on us. That is completely fair.

But instead, it gets twisted. We didn't get the job done, coaching or talent wise, to beat them.

This argument is not compelling in the least. They have no talent so "coaching." That is just filling in the gaps when nothing is there.

We came out slowly and got behind early. The offense underperformed and if you want to put that on coaching fine but it was two rookies in there first playoff games and Dak did show a tendency in the year to slow starts.

At the end of the day, we don't have enough data to make those kinds of deductions. It could be coaching but there are so many alternate possibilities that are impossible to dismiss.

 

[Alexander]

Between injuries and lack of talent the DL was not in good shape.

Say this is all true. Knowing exactly what you stated, we did exactly Taco Charlton to improve that DL.

 

[Alexander]

This argument is not compelling in the least. They have no talent so "coaching." That is just filling in the gaps when nothing is there.

Coaching is the equalizer in today's game where talent acquisition is restricted, development of that talent is stunted and there are monetary restrictions on paying talent that makes it even harder.

There is a reason Belichick keeps on trucking, year after year. And there is a reason why we are sitting here wondering why a head coach with one playoff win doesn't get enough respect?

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

Football must be getting ready to start. We're on the Garrett and Romo threads again. lol

 

[Idgit]

And---drumroll please, the same head coach has been around longer than that.

So what exactly is this gosh darn issue? I mean, we have the best head coach. We have the best coordinators supposedly. Whoa, look at all this talent we have offensively. But there is that defense, oh that defense.

Part of the head coach's job is to get a team together. Oversee it and ensure that deficiencies are masked and overcome.

I guess the next step is to get Garrett a collection of talent all over the place so his greatness can finally be actualized.

The 'gosh darn issue' continues to be the quality of the personnel on defense. I thought I made that clear.

Sidestepping your straw men, since nobody ever suggests we've got he best HC or best coordinators, the team's spent more resources on offense, has hit on those resources at a higher rate than the rest of the league, and has gotten better in the process. We've actually improved on defense during that time, as well. We just started out with a franchise-worst unit in 2012 and have spent fewer resources there, so it's talent longer.

You talk about 'actualizing greatness' sarcastically, but the team won 13 games last year, and the guy is the reigning NFL CotY. It's not like the progress hasn't been obvious to anybody who isn't either shitposting for giggles or has their eyes shut because they don't like the idea of being wrong on the topic after all this time of being so sure they were right.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Say this is all true. Knowing exactly what you stated, we did exactly Taco Charlton to improve that DL.

Players like Irving, Collins, Mayowa, and Thornton stand to develop in their second year in the system. Irving and Collins are very young players aged 21. The other two had growing pains adjusting to the scheme and techniques Marinelli employs. This group is where I expect to see the most improvement.

DLaw is in his contract year. That should appeal to your cynicism.

Crawford has a shot at a healthy year as opposed to the shoulder issues he's had the last 2 seasons.

Tapper will be available and from listening to him he has figured what he was doing wrong in conditioning his back. He is an elite athlete for the position.

And of course Taco. I expect he will start slow as he adjusts to the scheme and techniques Marinelli will ask for like so many before him.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Coaching is the equalizer in today's game where talent acquisition is restricted, development of that talent is stunted and there are monetary restrictions on paying talent that makes it even harder.

There is a reason Belichick keeps on trucking, year after year. And there is a reason why we are sitting here wondering why a head coach with one playoff win doesn't get enough respect?

Coaching is the boogeyman people point to when they don't have a good explanation. There is only one Belichick and the rest are up and down from year to year.

Garrett's the CotY. That is plenty of respect in my eyes. Fans being pigheaded doesn't detract from that.

 

[Alexander]

Coaching is the boogeyman people point to when they don't have a good explanation. There is only one Belichick and the rest are up and down from year to year.

Garrett's the CotY. That is plenty of respect in my eyes. Fans being pigheaded doesn't detract from that.

Arians has two of those trophies. That still does not stop people from questioning that in this very thread.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Arians has two of those trophies. That still does not stop people from questioning that in this very thread.

And Arians is still very up and down. Since when do you care what plebs think anyway?

 

[Alexander]

The 'gosh darn issue' continues to be the quality of the personnel on defense. I thought I made that clear.

Then own the statement. I see a lot of people running around suggesting that Garrett is owed credit for better drafting and so on. Yet we continue to have the same exact problems with the "talent" as we have had as long as he has been around. There is always a scapegoat and no ownership.

If it is talent acquisition, what keeps that from happening? We have the same chance as anyone to address the concerns you pointed out, namely pressure and turnovers, for as long as Garrett has been in a position of authority. Actually, even longer than that if you look at things realistically. But that was all bad Wade Phillips not being good enough. People held Parcells' and Phillips' feet to the fire for the talent, why not Garrett? Does he get some sort of special exemption?

Sidestepping your straw men, since nobody ever suggests we've got he best HC or best coordinators, the team's spent more resources on offense, has hit on those resources at a higher rate than the rest of the league, and has gotten better in the process. We've actually improved on defense during that time, as well. We just started out with a franchise-worst unit in 2012 and have spent fewer resources there, so it's talent longer.

Who oversaw or was at least partially involved and hence culpable for signing Brandon Carr, trading up for Morris Claiborne, trading other picks for DeMarcus Lawrence.

Can't be Jones. He is a figure head. Read it here. Was it another scapegoat in Rob Ryan? Must be. Who agreed to hire that guy? Oh.

All I see is blame shifting on one hand, Teflon on the other, and a lot of shifting around blame, one year to the next, with the Teflon coming out whenever it is convenient.

I think it is a lot of things, but own it. Team loss. Team failure. It is like blaming the defense perpetually for failures by Romo to win a championship. The same thing is done with Garrett because it is hard and painful to look at cold hard truths.

You talk about 'actualizing greatness' sarcastically, but the team won 13 games last year, and the guy is the reigning NFL CotY. It's not like the progress hasn't been obvious to anybody who isn't either ****posting for giggles or has their eyes shut because they don't like the idea of being wrong on the topic after all this time of being so sure they were right.

Still waiting to be proven "wrong". A career eight and eight coach has two outlier seasons of pretty good and one colossal collapse.

Guess time will tell about who is right and wrong, especially since you are keeping score and all.

At the end of the day, we might just have Marvin Lewis' twin. Good with that? I am not and never will be.

 

[Alexander]

And Arians is still very up and down. Since when do you care what plebs think anyway?

Plebs?

Just saying Arians 2, Garrett 1. One reason I don't find Coach of the Year honors to mean more than just that.

Hey, he had a great year. So did others like Dick Jauron.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Plebs?

Just saying Arians 2, Garrett 1. One reason I don't find Coach of the Year honors to mean more than just that.

Hey, he had a great year. So did others like Dick Jauron.

Plebs, rabble, layman, average joe, etc

Arians is widely considered a top coach in the league. I fail to see what point you are making.

 

[Alexander]

Plebs, rabble, layman, average joe, etc

Arians is widely considered a top coach in the league. I fail to see what point you are making.

So you just said he is up and down. I guess I am struggling with why you care Garrett has his trophy and why it garners respect. To me it gets him right where he is until he gets more than a 1-2 postseason record in seven years.

 

[Hardline]

Having the 13th ranked coach in the NFL puts me on speed dial to Jim Harbaugh.

 

[haleyrules]

Having the 13th ranked coach in the NFL puts me on speed dial to Jim Harbaugh.

Coaching has become a serious issue in Dallas. Garrett is not a real Head Coach. This will be the real issue moving ahead.

 

[waving monkey]

Probably what I'll say has been said. Consistency, process and a damn good staff has put us in
a bright future. There are still some things Garrett is working on but game preparation isn't one of them.
There are still some in game decisions that Red is working through. That comes with experience.

Is 13 high enough ranking for Garrett. It will not be high enough in a few short years.

 

[MileyDancer]

Not to be too blunt about it, Miley, but Hostile earned quite a bit more respect here over the years than you have so far. You could learn a thing or two from him when it comes to defending your own argument.

Disagree with what I said about the team's consistency? Let me know why and we can discuss it. Don't just float an emoji and what you think is a backhanded insult and walk away from the discussion.

If you think I'm worried about earning respect by a bunch of strangers on a message board, than I don't know what to tell you.

 

[waving monkey]

Jason is good enough to post back to back 8-8 seasons. Lets see if he can post back to back winning seasons.

Yra I think this is a fair point.