Garrett 13 in HC Power Rankings

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Hey, he is giving it another go around in the Spring League, who knows.

Hardy's deal is that he did not exactly fit in. I won't pretend to know all that went down, but I think he was like others who got the magical Jerry wand when signed. He took things too far somehow. His play was not so awful that you just divorce yourself immediately. Nor do I accept that nobody knew what he was doing and how it all went down before the ******** article. He did not handle that backlash well and not many could. I feel a little sorry for him. But then again, we have a lot of others to feel sorry for. But no time for that. Unless they are draft picks like Gregory. That is different. Or something.
Agreed, Alex.

But, I mean, Haley was destroying locker rooms, going nuts on even Jerry (Emmitt's contract), and sewing dissent of his own right. Yet he was a beast, and he was needed, and our astute Coach/GM at the time was able to recognize this.

Haley hardly fit in. He used to torment Troy, among many others. Imagine if message boards were around back then -- the handwringing and gnashing of the teeth would be unreal.
 

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Agreed, Alex.

But, I mean, Haley was destroying locker rooms, going nuts on even Jerry (Emmitt's contract), and sewing dissent of his own right. Yet he was a beast, and he was needed, and our astute Coach/GM at the time was able to recognize this.

Haley hardly fit in. He used to torment Troy, among many others. Imagine if message boards were around back then -- the handwringing and gnashing of the teeth would be unreal.
It takes a head coach with a psychology degree half the time to manage the personalities in a locker room.

Hey, that reminds me. Jimmy Johnson had that degree. He understood human nature.

Garrett, well, let's just say if we could assemble the most powerful robots in the history of ever and have like, you know, a chip, that we could imbed into their hard wiring and make them "execute" every down perfectly, he might actually win a playoff game every year.

There is one thing to wanting "the right kinda guy" and so on.

But has any player, ever, talked about Garrett connecting with them emotionally?

This is an emotional game, let's not pretend otherwise.

And please, stop it right now, before someone invokes Saint Tom.

If right now, the lord above reincarnated Saint Tom, put him on a football field and said, go at it---he would fail.

Today's athlete is far and away the hardest to deal with.

Landry operated his entire career with a captive audience. Good luck with that approach today.
 

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It takes a head coach with a psychology degree half the time to manage the personalities in a locker room.

Hey, that reminds me. Jimmy Johnson had that degree. He understood human nature.

Garrett, well, let's just say if we could assemble the most powerful robots in the history of ever and have like, you know, a chip, that we could imbed into their hard wiring and make them "execute" every down perfectly, he might actually win a playoff game every year.

There is one thing to wanting "the right kinda guy" and so on.

But has any player, ever, talked about Garrett connecting with them emotionally?

This is an emotional game, let's not pretend otherwise.

And please, stop it right now, before someone invokes Saint Tom.

If right now, the lord above reincarnated Saint Tom, put him on a football field and said, go at it---he would fail.

Today's athlete is far and away the hardest to deal with.

Landry operated his entire career with a captive audience. Good luck with that approach today.
Unless you're Belichick, but point taken.

BB is on a whole other level.

I've heard that Carroll has this ability, but lately with all the rumblings from that org, even the great Carroll is having trouble with all the personalities.

Belichick is on a planet of his own. Funny and not ironic or happenstance at all that Belichick and JJohnson hang out in the offseason. Very similar coaches.
 

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Unless you're Belichick, but point taken.

BB is on a whole other level.

I've heard that Carroll has this ability, but lately with all the rumblings from that org, even the great Carroll is having trouble with all the personalities.

Belichick is on a planet of his own. Funny and not ironic or happenstance at all that Belichick and JJohnosn hang out in the offseason. Very similar coaches.
Well, Carroll has already shown he has that "ability". Or can at least fake it for a couple of years.

Getting to a Super Bowl is hard. I get it. But when someone does it, they get a multi-pass.

Getting a "Coach Of The Year" recognition means zip and do-dah at the end of the day.
 
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I don't know. Looking at the list all I see is a lot of bad coaches or unproven ones.
The NFL coaching ranks is getting a lot like the QB ranks.

Few and far between.

Jones is playing the long game with Garrett. We will see.

But he may end up just like Mike Brown who is doing the very same thing with Marvin Lewis.
 

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Well, Carroll has already shown he has that "ability". Or can at least fake it for a couple of years.

Getting to a Super Bowl is hard. I get it. But when someone does it, they get a multi-pass.

Getting a "Coach Of The Year" recognition means zip and do-dah at the end of the day.
Agreed, brudda.
 

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The NFL coaching ranks is getting a lot like the QB ranks.

Few and far between.

Jones is playing the long game with Garrett. We will see.

But he may end up just like Mike Brown who is doing the very same thing with Marvin Lewis.
That would be horrible.
 

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So you just said he is up and down. I guess I am struggling with why you care Garrett has his trophy and why it garners respect. To me it gets him right where he is until he gets more than a 1-2 postseason record in seven years.


ARians had a down year last season. It is what it is.

CotY's a proxy for what the AP writers as a whole think. The collection of people that follow the league most felt that Garrett was the best coach last year.

You're a curmudgeon and it is surprising when you like anything. Your disapproval is not exactly novel.
 

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Then own the statement. I see a lot of people running around suggesting that Garrett is owed credit for better drafting and so on. Yet we continue to have the same exact problems with the "talent" as we have had as long as he has been around. There is always a scapegoat and no ownership.

How binary of you.

He described how he felt the offense has come along nicely developing players and the defense has not.

Saying that the offense and defense have gotten better is not mutually exclusive with the defense still having issues. As he pointed out, there was a trough in year 2 of the Garrett era when Spencer and Ware were scuttled.
 

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The 'gosh darn issue' continues to be the quality of the personnel on defense. I thought I made that clear.

Sidestepping your straw men, since nobody ever suggests we've got he best HC or best coordinators, the team's spent more resources on offense, has hit on those resources at a higher rate than the rest of the league, and has gotten better in the process. We've actually improved on defense during that time, as well. We just started out with a franchise-worst unit in 2012 and have spent fewer resources there, so it's talent longer.

You talk about 'actualizing greatness' sarcastically, but the team won 13 games last year, and the guy is the reigning NFL CotY. It's not like the progress hasn't been obvious to anybody who isn't either ****posting for giggles or has their eyes shut because they don't like the idea of being wrong on the topic after all this time of being so sure they were right.
NFL CotY.has to mean something I would think.Maybe Garrett knows a little about the process of Game preparation.
 

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If you think I'm worried about earning respect by a bunch of strangers on a message board, than I don't know what to tell you.
Oh I think its human nature wanting to feel respected where ever you go.
It's cool to dismiss it but that's not what the sociologist say.
 

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The offense is good enough to do that. So was GBs and so was ATLs last year. It's all about the differential. We're one of a handful of teams in position to win it all, and we all agree the defensive talent is a liability. It's not really any more complicated than that.

Put it this way, had Byron Jones defended even that last pass and we advanced, do you think GB would have lost because of Mike McCarthy? When a team loses, people look to blame the figurehead, but the reality is they usually lose because of the players.

Then I guess there is no such thing as a bad or average coach.
 

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So all we needed was pressure to win that game? Our offensive gameplan was flawless, all of our weapons were optimized and it was just that dadgum defense again!

Gosh darn it, why do these things just keep happening to us?

Yep.

It was Byron Jones who called the play where Hyde picked off that pass and after the game some Packers commented they knew the play was coming because Dallas ran the exact same play against them weeks earlier.
 

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LOL. McCarthy and Tomlin are SB winning coaches. They are ranked correctly.
McCarthy is slippin'. I don't think he's nearly as good as people outside of GB portray him to be. Packers fans are starting to question him, more so after he took back the playcalling. 1 Super Bowl appearance/win for ARod isn't cutting it for them.

Pagano is a jingleheimer. Tomlin will be on the hot seat if he doesn't go deep this postseason, imo.
 

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NFL CotY.has to mean something I would think.Maybe Garrett knows a little about the process of Game preparation.

Well if CoY means something then I shouldn't see people suggesting Garrett is better than Arians because Brice has two CoY awards.
 
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