Garrett as a lameduck

[ConstantReboot]

ok, what do you mean defy? courageous, what does that mean? you don't think they talk? or garrett express his concerns? or thoughts? or ideas? you are asking something without providing anything concrete you are looking to see. does Garrett p!ss his pants when jerry talks?

and I have never said its not garrett's fault. the posts are there to see. I disagree (and that's my opinion) that garrett didn't undermine wade (that's stupid to begin with) and wade had fault in his own failure. also I don't think its all garrett's fault and jerry has a hand in this. show me I have said anything otherwise!?

and what I said, was Jerry meddles with ALL his coaches and that's the problem and garrett is along the line of the past 5 coaches since Johnson. that's jerry. Parcells couldn't take it and he left too. to deny that, is lying to yourself.

and you think wade was a great coach? right? that's what you just said...wade is not at fault for what happened during wade's coaching the cowboys?

and garrett's hands aren;t fully tied. but he is limited in things he can do. no denying that. so were 5 other coaches. and yes, he has had 3 chances to make the playoffs. he has missed and yes, time is running out.

and my point is that time will run out. garrett will get fired (or not renewed in this case) and the next coach comes in and we go through the same cycle. who do we blame then?

Jerry meddles all the time. But Garrett can confront Jerry about it if he wishes too. He just doesn't want to because of the fear of being fired. Thus I state the obvious that Garrett has no balls.

Like I stated before Wade was hampered by Jerry. While on the other hand, Garrett is pampered. Don't you think that the reason Ryan was fired was because Jerry wanted to protect Garrett from harms way? I do. Like you mentioned Garrett just needs time to grow. I say that he needs time to grow a set of balls right now.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

If anything it was Wade who had his has tied with Jerry. Jerry a few times mentioned in the media that its Garrett thats going to be the future coach of the Cowboys. Not Wade. Garrett has been given every opportunity by Jerry to succeed much more than Wade. Its time to call it as it is. Garrett is just not good of a coach and we should stop pampering him.

who is pampering him? but to be blind to what the root of the problem is, we are doomed to repeat the same mistake...and in this case, we have no choice in it. Jerry is the issue. and we can't remove him from the equation and the next coach (and it will happen), will come in and we will experience the same issues. we have seen the same set of problems with green coaches like garrett, experienced HOF coaches like parcells, and experienced college coaches like gaily and experienced NFL coaches like wade and campo.

this ain't getting any better until jerry steps down and that ain't happening anytime soon.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Jerry meddles all the time. But Garrett can confront Jerry about it if he wishes too. He just doesn't want to because of the fear of being fired. Thus I state the obvious that Garrett has no balls.

Like I stated before Wade was hampered by Jerry. While on the other hand, Garrett is pampered. Don't you think that the reason Ryan was fired was because Jerry wanted to protect Garrett from harms way? I do. Like you mentioned Garrett just needs time to grow. I say that he needs time to grow a set of balls right now.

what do you mean confront? what do you expect him to do? what do you want to see him do? is Garrett meeting with Jerry and telling him last year he didn't want Callahan as OC confronting him? and jerry over ruled him. is garrett leaving the draft room when we passed on sharif Floyd confronting him?

or are you talking about putting on gloves and punching the cr@p out of him?

do you want a strained relationship between the head coach and GM? and in your mind that's going to lead to success?

 

[ConstantReboot]

yes. wade was a failure. let me repeat. WADE was a FAILURE.

Switzer went to NFC championship and won a superbowl. is Switzer a great coach? or was it because of what Johnson left behind?

wade inherited a team, that was turned over by Parcells, found the QB of the future, disciplined team that had talent and depth. a group of players having gone to playoffs and ready for the next step. they went 13-3 and lost in the playoffs. a team that had the #1 seed and home field advantage through out the playoffs, and a chance at superbowl. Wade screwed it up. and instead of taking the next step like the ravens, or SF, or seattle, or Denver, the team went the other way. instead of 13-3 and loss in the playoffs to a win in the playoffs and superbowl, they went south quickly and in 4 years ended up 1-7. so yes Wade screwed this team. we did have some of the worst drafts while he was the head coach. compare it to when parcells was the head coach, and when Garrett has been the head coach and when campo was the head coach. and yes, history has proven wade sucks. multiple times. let me repeat. WADE WAS A FAILURE. he failed to push a young, talented playoff experienced team into the superbowl and while he was here, we lost a lot of talent.

and a coach that went 8-8 three times in a row does have room to grow, needs to improve. needs to get better. or do you think a coach that's 8-8 doesn't need that?

so let me help you, since it seems you have comprehension problems, I think what you are trying to say is this is as good as garrett gets and he won't grow. so lets move on. a valid argument. and your opinion.

and to your last point. the common thread all along is Jerry. because he meddles with all his coaches. every coach has to also carry some blame. some more than others. Parcells was the best in being able to right Jerry as much as possible (that's one out of 6 coaches). and even parcells failed at the end. and he is a HOF coach, with undeniable credintials.

and to follow your line of reasoning...if you are blaming everything on garrett, then you should also blame wade for his failures....

but if you are agreeing that jerry has a hand in it and has to shoulder the blame, then its the same for garrett and wade? but you can't say, everything is garrett's fault and not jerry. but during wade era it was jerry at fault and not wade!!!!

I don't know where you get this idea that everyone is blaming everything on Garrett. Garrett should shoulder most of the blame. His the coach of the Cowboys. But thats not the point. Most fans are very disappointed in him. We expected more. Not more of 8-8 seasons. We expected more of a tough and disciplinary coach. Rather than a coach that throws his OC or his QB under the bus during a disappointing lost.

Garrett hasn't done much during his 3 years here. All he does was make Jerry comfortable with doing his stupid shenanigans without a challenge. Im not saying that he should defy Jones in everything that he does. But he should confront Jones and make it known to him things need to change in order for the ship to head towards the right direction. Garrett doesn't do any of that. He just lets Jones do what he pleases. In fact, Jones protects and pampers Garrett like no other Cowboys coach before him. An example was the Ryan firing. If I was Garrett I would be very ashamed that he had to use Ryan as a scapegoat in order to protect Garrett from the media. Frankly, I never seen such a coach get away with such failures and yet still keep his job.

 

[ConstantReboot]

what do you mean confront? what do you expect him to do? what do you want to see him do? is Garrett meeting with Jerry and telling him last year he didn't want Callahan as OC confronting him? and jerry over ruled him. is garrett leaving the draft room when we passed on sharif Floyd confronting him?

or are you talking about putting on gloves and punching the cr@p out of him?

do you want a strained relationship between the head coach and GM? and in your mind that's going to lead to success?

What do I expect Garrett to do? Have some balls and take blame for 8-8 season and stop saying its a process. Say in public that were keeping Ryan as coach and giving him one more year to prove himself. Maybe even bench Romo for a bad play or an INT.

Frankly, the problem with Garrett is he cowers away from the tough decisions. He doesn't dictate what the team needs to do in order to win - and thats a job of a coach. Thus you see him get rattled during crunch time in games and lets Romo be Romo. Thus you see Romo throwing it 40 times a game rather than running it. He just stands on the sidelines like a robot. Heck, he doesn't even know when to use a challenge flag. Frankly, I more than disappointed in him. He was hired to change the culture of this team and it hasn't worked. The results speak for themselves. 8-8 during 3 seasons is not a fluke. Garrett is a terrible coach.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I don't know where you get this idea that everyone is blaming everything on Garrett. Garrett should shoulder most of the blame. His the coach of the Cowboys. But thats not the point. Most fans are very disappointed in him. We expected more. Not more of 8-8 seasons. We expected more of a tough and disciplinary coach. Rather than a coach that throws his OC or his QB under the bus during a disappointing lost.

Garrett hasn't done much during his 3 years here. All he does was make Jerry comfortable with doing his stupid shenanigans without a challenge. Im not saying that he should defy Jones in everything that he does. But he should confront Jones and make it known to him things need to change in order for the ship to head towards the right direction. Garrett doesn't do any of that. He just lets Jones do what he pleases. In fact, Jones protects and pampers Garrett like no other Cowboys coach before him. An example was the Ryan firing. If I was Garrett I would be very ashamed that he had to use Ryan as a scapegoat in order to protect Garrett from the media. Frankly, I never seen such a coach get away with such failures and yet still keep his job.

well, it certainly comes across, since most of the thread is garrett is to blame for everything and he was even implicated for wade's failures.

I am also disappointed that we have not been better. and stock on 8-8. its like kissing your sister (no pun intended). do you tear it apart and rebuild or do you keep going hoping to get over the top.

I didn't think he threw callahan under the bus and tried to manage it as politically correct as possible. I was both happy and mad when he threw Romo under the bus, because some of the blame does go to romo. romo is not peyton so he shouldn't have same control over the offense as peyton does. and garrett has given him that, but that's his fault. Romo needs to be controlled. Parcells figured that out early on.

I think garrett has done some positive things but not enough of them. he has also made his share of mistakes. I think he has challenged jerry, but not been convicing enough. He doesn't have parcells type of approach. parcells had a fvck it kind of attitude, but that's parcells. not many are that way or need to be that way. and we know about ryan firing, that's jerry meddling. if garrett opposed it which we will never know because a lot of this doesn't make it to the media (as it shouldn't be), then he lost the fight. parcells lost a few fights as well, ala ending up with TO and that's well chronicled.

now, going back to calling it a total failure. that's where 8-8 gets confusing. you are right in the middle. there are 15 other teams worse than the cowboys. so what do you do..... suffice it to say, this is his last stand. I think he will fail. and that's history of Jerry. he meddles with all his coaches, specially getting active where there is signs of improvement and he meddles to accelerate the process, but he also divorces himself giving control to the coaches, when things go bad, and puts his coach out there, so he can point the finger and go hire the next coach. often too little too late. He did that with switzer. he did that with campo. he did that with parcells. he did that with wade. he is doing it with garrett

its not going to get any better. Jerry can't sell hope any longer.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

What do I expect Garrett to do? Have some balls and take blame for 8-8 season and stop saying its a process. Say in public that were keeping Ryan as coach and giving him one more year to prove himself. Maybe even bench Romo for a bad play or an INT.

Frankly, the problem with Garrett is he cowers away from the tough decisions. He doesn't dictate what the team needs to do in order to win - and thats a job of a coach. Thus you see him get rattled during crunch time in games and lets Romo be Romo. Thus you see Romo throwing it 40 times a game rather than running it. He just stands on the sidelines like a robot. Heck, he doesn't even know when to use a challenge flag. Frankly, I more than disappointed in him. He was hired to change the culture of this team and it hasn't worked. The results speak for themselves. 8-8 during 3 seasons is not a fluke. Garrett is a terrible coach.

I disagree with some of those. it divides the house and causes it to fall apart. It won't give the team a chance. it also divides the locker room. I also disagree with benching your QB because of a bad play or Int. I think the coach and qb need to have a relationship and benching like that, doesn't help it. if a coach and QB don't have that, its the quickest path to failure. all you have to do is look at Washington and RG3 and shanahan. after one year of success, tot he second worst team in the league because their relationship was strained. I think he made some changes to the culture. but not enough. I want more parcells like. call me old school

and there are worse coaches than Garrett. not saying garrett is good. but just that there are worse coaches. the question we are asking, is this team peaked at 8-8 with garrett? I guess we are about to find out.

 

[khiladi]

Funny thing is, Wade was fired in Buffalo for standing his ground.. But he's a Cupcake and Garrett is stoic and a leader of men and real coach.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Funny thing is, Wade was fired in Buffalo for standing his ground.. But he's a Cupcake and Garrett is stoic and a leader of men and real coach.

wade was fired in buffalo, because he sucked.

 

[Beast_from_East]

the question wasn't about being right about garrett as a coach (good or bad). I have stated many times that garrett is not good but not as bad as some make out to be. the argument is over the suggested asinine/childish approach of defying Jones. What the heck does that mean? does garrett go and sign his own players? or draft who he wants? if Jones wants to sign X player and garrett says no, and jones does it anyway....what should garrett do? not play him? so he should defy jerry by telling the other 51 players I don't care about you. I want to defy Jerry so I am not going to go against him. yep, that's so helpful in getting the team buy in and getting the team focused...awesome suggestion. the suggestion is so freaking asinine and idiotic that I can't even describe. ConstatReboot suggestion is to tell Garrett grow balls and stand up to Jerry or get out!!! seriously...that's a suggestion!!!! . are we back in highschool?!! does anyone in the corporate world act this way? Constant reboot is either very young or works in a hamburger joint flipping burgers, getting into arguments with his boss, getting fired and going to the next joint and is proud he stood up to his boss!!!

lets talk merits, not argue over defiance and he sucks because he doesn't defy jerry.

I agree with you that Garrett has to work with the owner/GM. Every head coach in the NFL, with maybe one or two exceptions, is limited to some extent when it comes to player personnel. They have to convince the GM/owner of what type of player the coaches need to run their specific system.

That is not my beef with Garrett. My beef with Garrett is the horrendous game management issues that have lead to us losing 2 or 3 games a year that we should have won.

Even Jerry Jones admits that Garrett has made some critical mistakes on the sidelines when he said that "the team is going to benefit from all of these mistakes Garrett has made".

I have seen 10 yr old girls playing Madden for the first time have a better understanding of down and distance, use of timeouts, play selection, bleeding the clock, ect....................

These are not very hard concepts and the fact that we lose multiple games each year because Garrett botches this type of stuff is just amazing.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I agree with you that Garrett has to work with the owner/GM. Every head coach in the NFL, with maybe one or two exceptions, is limited to some extent when it comes to player personnel. They have to convince the GM/owner of what type of player the coaches need to run their specific system.

That is not my beef with Garrett. My beef with Garrett is the horrendous game management issues that have lead to us losing 2 or 3 games a year that we should have won.

Even Jerry Jones admits that Garrett has made some critical mistakes on the sidelines when he said that "the team is going to benefit from all of these mistakes Garrett has made".

I have seen 10 yr old girls playing Madden for the first time have a better understanding of down and distance, use of timeouts, play selection, bleeding the clock, ect....................

These are not very hard concepts and the fact that we lose multiple games each year because Garrett botches this type of stuff is just amazing.

no doubt. his game management needs work.

 

[khiladi]

wade was fired in buffalo, because he sucked.

In he sucked, his team was in the playoffs, unlike Garrett and lost by that miracle pass. And he had average QBs.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I disagree with some of those. it divides the house and causes it to fall apart. It won't give the team a chance. it also divides the locker room. I also disagree with benching your QB because of a bad play or Int. I think the coach and qb need to have a relationship and benching like that, doesn't help it. if a coach and QB don't have that, its the quickest path to failure. all you have to do is look at Washington and RG3 and shanahan. after one year of success, tot he second worst team in the league because their relationship was strained. I think he made some changes to the culture. but not enough. I want more parcells like. call me old school

and there are worse coaches than Garrett. not saying garrett is good. but just that there are worse coaches. the question we are asking, is this team peaked at 8-8 with garrett? I guess we are about to find out.

Call you old school? Then I don't know why you like Garrett's style of coaching because it certainly isn't old school. He hates to run the ball and doesn't do the things an old school coach does. In fact, he seems opposite of what Parcells stands for and you want more of the Parcells type.

Like I said most people here don't really blame Garrett for what his doing. They are disappointed in him. We expected more and yet we got a lot less. He can do a lot more than just being a Jerry Jones lap dog. So far, he has indicated that he wants to stay Jerry's lapdog by not inserting his own culture into Dallas. He would be a great politician. But he's a terrible coach.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I agree with you that Garrett has to work with the owner/GM. Every head coach in the NFL, with maybe one or two exceptions, is limited to some extent when it comes to player personnel. They have to convince the GM/owner of what type of player the coaches need to run their specific system.

That is not my beef with Garrett. My beef with Garrett is the horrendous game management issues that have lead to us losing 2 or 3 games a year that we should have won.

Even Jerry Jones admits that Garrett has made some critical mistakes on the sidelines when he said that "the team is going to benefit from all of these mistakes Garrett has made".

I have seen 10 yr old girls playing Madden for the first time have a better understanding of down and distance, use of timeouts, play selection, bleeding the clock, ect....................

These are not very hard concepts and the fact that we lose multiple games each year because Garrett botches this type of stuff is just amazing.

Garrett at times seem clueless and oblivious on what is going on in the game. I remember the time that Ryan kept telling him to throw the challenge flag and he had no idea what was going on. Should I also mention about icing the kicker?

When your terrible at managing the game and Jerry calls you a genius there is something really wrong there. It amazes me that someone that played college and pro football and graduated from Princeton can be so clueless at times on the sidelines. Which makes me wonder if he really knows whats going on.

 

[ConstantReboot]

I disagree with some of those. it divides the house and causes it to fall apart. It won't give the team a chance. it also divides the locker room. I also disagree with benching your QB because of a bad play or Int. I think the coach and qb need to have a relationship and benching like that, doesn't help it. if a coach and QB don't have that, its the quickest path to failure. all you have to do is look at Washington and RG3 and shanahan. after one year of success, tot he second worst team in the league because their relationship was strained. I think he made some changes to the culture. but not enough. I want more parcells like. call me old school

and there are worse coaches than Garrett. not saying garrett is good. but just that there are worse coaches. the question we are asking, is this team peaked at 8-8 with garrett? I guess we are about to find out.

Wait you said you like how Parcells coaches. Well guess what? Parcells actually made players accountable for their actions. He would yank them out of the game if that player kept making mistakes. When Romo throws 5 INTs, I would have yanked him out of the game as well to show the team that we do not tolerate poor play. Thats old school football. Something that Parcells brought to Dallas. With Garrett, you get none of that. All you get after a tough lost is that it was Romo's fault for not doing this or that Callahan called the wrong play. Heck, at the end of the season when we lost games he actually pointed the finger at Callahan for calling the plays despite taking back the play-calling duties. Hows that for dividing the house?

I would take Shanahan right now over Garrett. At least he made it to the playoffs with a rookie QB during his 2nd year. What has Garrett accomplished in 3 years with the most prolific passing QB in team history?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

In he sucked, his team was in the playoffs, unlike Garrett and lost by that miracle pass. And he had average QBs.

wade sucked. he took good teams and ran them to the ground. he took a good cowboys team and ran it to the ground. wade sucked.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Call you old school? Then I don't know why you like Garrett's style of coaching because it certainly isn't old school. He hates to run the ball and doesn't do the things an old school coach does. In fact, he seems opposite of what Parcells stands for and you want more of the Parcells type.

Like I said most people here don't really blame Garrett for what his doing. They are disappointed in him. We expected more and yet we got a lot less. He can do a lot more than just being a Jerry Jones lap dog. So far, he has indicated that he wants to stay Jerry's lapdog by not inserting his own culture into Dallas. He would be a great politician. But he's a terrible coach.

I didn't say I liked garrett. that's your interpretation because I don't hate garrett like you do. so if I don't hate him, I must like him. is that your logic? and I think he may not be Parcells, but he hasn't earned to be parcells like. he is more disciplinarian than wade, he wants to have a process. he wants the team to focus on football. those things I like. he just didn't execute it. and I didn't have expectations of multiple superbowls or playoffs. I didn't think we were that talented as some people were pegging us to be (had some talent, but missed in critical areas). I knew we had to rebuild a bit. I didn't buy into Jerry's championship talk. Like I said, I pegged the cowboys to be last in the division three years ago. thought we were 3rd best team couple of years ago. I did expect us to compete for the division last year and philly really surprised. its all about expectations.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Wait you said you like how Parcells coaches. Well guess what? Parcells actually made players accountable for their actions. He would yank them out of the game if that player kept making mistakes. When Romo throws 5 INTs, I would have yanked him out of the game as well to show the team that we do not tolerate poor play. Thats old school football. Something that Parcells brought to Dallas. With Garrett, you get none of that. All you get after a tough lost is that it was Romo's fault for not doing this or that Callahan called the wrong play. Heck, at the end of the season when we lost games he actually pointed the finger at Callahan for calling the plays despite taking back the play-calling duties. Hows that for dividing the house?

I would take Shanahan right now over Garrett. At least he made it to the playoffs with a rookie QB during his 2nd year. What has Garrett accomplished in 3 years with the most prolific passing QB in team history?

I would not take shanahan. he was worse than garrett without Elway. he did nothing without him. and he devides the locker room like he did in Washington.

and again, I am not saying garrett is parcells. he hasn't earned the right to be compared to him. I don't hate garrett. I don't like him either. he has done some things right. some things right. what I would point to is that every coach makes mistakes. but good ones over come it and winning covers all the warts. Garrett hasn't done that so every little thing gets put under the microscope. he does need to be more disciplinarian and I think in that respect he is a little too much like wade.

and romo maybe most prolific passing qb in cowboys history, but not the best. this team has holes. romo and the offense aren't the cowboys problems. its the craapy defense. and garrett hasn't fixed that and as a head coach he is responsible for that.

 

[CyberB0b]

wade sucked. he took good teams and ran them to the ground. he took a good cowboys team and ran it to the ground. wade sucked.

How many playoff wins did the Parcells Cowboys have?

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

How many playoff wins did the Parcells Cowboys have?

none. but you also have to realize that we came off three 5-11 seasons. had the worst talent in the league, and his mistake which he admitted to was he over valued the talent on that team after going 10-6 and the playoff s with quincy carter.

by the third year he had turn over 47 players on the team and the team was heading in the right direction. but because of jerry's constant meddling he left.