News: Garrett chimes in on Dez's involvement in the offense

Ken

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"Took what NYG gave them."

Folks, this sums up our boy wonder head coach pretty accurately.

Don't bother scheming to get the ball in the hands of your best player.

If my job was on the line...you damn well better believe I would be going down using my best players to their fullest.

Absolutely baffling how this team operates.
 

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He's the head coach, why would he incriminate himself? It's like asking Dean Blandino if he thinks a ref blew a call. It's not in his interest to ever say, "The refs screwed up." because that means he screwed up.
I live in the Beaumont area and listen to KTRH 740 AM radio out of Houston all the time so I hear all the Texans updates. I have heard O'Brien take blame when he screws up several times. I have never once heard Garrett take any blame. Of course O'Brien was able to coach Weeden to victories last year. Garrett not so much.
 
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Yes, they need to get him the ball, but it would be nice if he could get separation. He can't.

Norman will probably own him next week again like he did last year.
 

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If my job was on the line...you damn well better believe I would be going down using my best players to their fullest.

Absolutely baffling how this team operates.

Unfortunately, his job is not on the line. He is not going anywhere. There are no more stadiums that need financing. We are stuck with this coach. I don't dislike him as a person, but he is a front office type, nothing more. He can't coach. That's why I can't get too mad at the players. All players make mistakes, but our players are not put in the best position to overcome mistakes/best position to win. He is coaching the same way he coached last year-- waiting for Romo to come back to do the real coaching; the only difference this season is that there is another QB, a rookie, under center. He'll ruin Dak before its all said and done. Painful to watch sometimes.
 

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Why would it be coach speak? People have had the same complaints for a long time now and nothing has changed.

So the defense is giving up the middle of the field, how about taking advantage of that with Williams and Dez instead of just the 2 slowest receivers on the team.

This.

Dez and Zeke are taken out of the game; what about the other guys on offense?
 

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I guess there's some validity to the idea that you shouldn't force more balls to Dez when the balls you've given to him haven't been so successful. But then by that same token, couldn't you say you shouldn't keep Zeke in when he wasn't working as well as Morris?

I agree with that one, too. Morris was more effective. I don't get taking him out.

Have you looked at the thread with every pass Dak made yesterday yet? He was trying to get that ball in to Dez. Watch it again and let me know what you think about forcing more in there afterward. Sure, I'm sure there were a couple plays where Dez might have been open and Dak missed it, but it's not like Dak wasn't trying to get him the ball. He just wasn't coming up with them.
 

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I agree with that one, too. Morris was more effective. I don't get taking him out.

Have you looked at the thread with every pass Dak made yesterday yet? He was trying to get that ball in to Dez. Watch it again and let me know what you think about forcing more in there afterward. Sure, I'm sure there were a couple plays where Dez might have been open and Dak missed it, but it's not like Dak wasn't trying to get him the ball. He just wasn't coming up with them.


I don't think anyone is advocating force the ball to Dez in a bad spot, but rather put Dez in better spots instead of letting him be taken out of the game by the defense.
 

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Andy Reid nails himself to the cross every time his team loses.

Wade Phillips took the blame when Garrett called the pass to Choice to end the half, with 80 yards to go which led to a fumble and a Commanders score, costing the game..

Garrett his his face the whole week and let others take the blame like he always does...
 

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This is a result oriented business and I have been a supporter of Garett but you need to get your best player the ball, period. Move him around, throw him a screen pass for a rac, not Witten. It would have been better if he just said, your right, we need to get Bryant the ball more. The NFL stands for Not For Long if he keeps making these excuses. Just my imo.
 

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Wade Phillips took the blame when Garrett called the pass to Choice to end the half, with 80 yards to go which led to a fumble and a Commanders score, costing the game..

Garrett his his face the whole week and let others take the blame like he always does...
Players do notice that.
 

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I don't think anyone is advocating force the ball to Dez in a bad spot, but rather put Dez in better spots instead of letting him be taken out of the game by the defense.

That makes sense. I guess we'd need to hear more then about what better spots Dez needed to be put in. I sort of took it as a given that Garrett would think they put Dez in the best possible spots already. Given that, you can see his point.

But if what we needed to do was move Dez around more, that's another matter. Maybe. Honestly, when I look at the shots we did take to Dez, I think he should have brought down 2-3 of those balls. If he had, he'd probably have gotten more looks, anyway. The drops and the penalties put is in 3rd down situations, where Dez gets doubled. If the players make more of the catches they dropped, perhaps we avoid some of those and Dez gets more shots doing just what we were doing already.
 

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You impose your will on the defense..you don't just take what they give you. What's this guy doing coaching our team?

And it's an offensive driven league, where rules favor the offense... He definitely has some connections to Jerry that go beyond football.. That's the only explanation...
 

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If my job was on the line...you damn well better believe I would be going down using my best players to their fullest.

Absolutely baffling how this team operates.

That is the entire problem, nobody's job is on the line here.

Seriously, if Garrett was with any other team he would have been fired by now. Coughlin has superbowl rings and all it took was 3 consecutive non playoff seasons before he was shown the door. Garrett is in year 6 and he has just 1 season above 500.

Can anybody name me one head coach currently in the league that has missed the playoffs 4 out of the last 5 seasons and still has his job?
 

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Jerry brought Linehan here specifically to get Dez the ball, while maintaining Garrett's playbook. He specifically said that it was about getting the best player the ball without having to change the offense...

Yet, it's again back to the same old same old and Garrett is saying they take what the defense gives...
 

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This is code for oh well, I can get out coached on any Sunday. And BTW, I just did, by a coach who had never been a head coach on any level, anywhere.
You put Dez on the Giants, I guarantee they'd find ways to get him the ball in space. How many times over the last few years have we seen Cruz or Beckham or even a stiff like Reuben Randle when he was on their team catch an 8 yard pass on the move and turn it into a huge gain?
 

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I didn't have a problem with it, either. If he were catching more balls, that would be one thing. But 1 catch off of 5 targets...and those were the good looks. You guys really want your rookie QB to force throws in to Dez when there are other options? I don't think so.

We scored on, what, all of the first 4 or five possessions right? Our problem was with drops in the red zone more than anything else, anyway. Dez is a great target in there, but we have other options to go to, as well. If we just make the plays that were there to be made, we with the game. I don't see the point of second guessing and assuming the extra targets are goign to somehow be more productive than the ones he already got.

So in other words, Garrett gets a pass here.

He makes it easy for teams to defend Bryant. That's poor coaching. And it's been on display for much of the last 6 years.

Eventually you guys will see that. Mediocre coach gets you mediocre results.
 
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