Garrett expectations?

[KJJ]

No excuse at all, as I said I think when any HC is hired they should be given at least 3 years to get a program in place and turned around. Being OC is not the same as HC so regardless of how many years he has been OC does not change anything. I'm not giving Garrett some free ride, I give him the same leeway I would give any HC on any team in sports.

For me this has nothing to do with some love I have for Garrett is has to do with the respect I have for the job of HC and any person hired I would give them that same courtesy. Lastly and I have said in this thread and others this is a must season for Garrett I don’t believe he can survive a losing season.

Being the OC of a team for 3 years gives a coach an advantage taking over as HC because they know the team and the players. It should provide a smooth transition which is why some teams hire within house when looking for a new HC. Garrett being with the team and having 8 games to get his feet wet at HC in 2010 gave him a huge advantage over Jim Harbaugh who was coaching at Stanford and took over the 49ers during a lockout.

If you knew after Garrett finished 5-3 in 2010 that he would only win 8 games the next 2 seasons would you have been on board with him taking over as HC? Have you seen progress in the Cowboys since he took over? If so where do you notice the progress? By the way you still haven't answered the question about the defense.

 

[Doomsday101]

Being the OC of a team for 3 years gives a coach an advantage taking over as HC because they know the team and the players. It should provide a smooth transition which is why some teams hire within house when looking for a new HC. Garrett being with the team and having 8 games to get his feet wet at HC in 2010 gave him a huge advantage over Jim Harbaugh who was coaching at Stanford and took over the 49ers during a lockout.

If you knew after Garrett finished 5-3 in 2010 that he would only win 8 games the next 2 seasons would you have been on board with him taking over as HC? Have you seen progress in the Cowboys since he took over? If so where do you notice the progress? By the way you still haven't answered the question about the defense.

and he has been in the process of eliminating some of those players. Again ANY HC I would give 3 years to do the job period. I should not have to repeat that over and over but evidently you don't get it. This is not Wade team any longer it is Garrett in my book he should be alotted 3 years to do the job, if I'm not willing to give a HC that then Jerry may as well coach the team himself. As for the defense they have not been good for a while, we don't get turnovers we have not been very good on 3rd downs. Not all Ryans fault but some of it was. As for Harbaugh I don't give a damn about him, he has done a great job however in most situation it takes time for a new HC. What someone else did on some other team does not mean a damn thing.

 

[German Corner]

sunday 10/13/13 prime time...that's when we will find out how much this team wants to win and if the coaching staff can prepare the team to win. 50 / 50 chance of beating the broncos at home the week before but this Washington game is important. after being swept last year, qb'd by griffin a rookie, 9 months worth of smack talk and this game is at home. if we don't win that game, then there will be accelerated talk of a coaching change, for sure.

i'm the first to defend tony romo and acknowledge that last year's defense was decimated. so, if garret can do it, it will be done by this point in the season and we will win this game. if he garret can't do it, then we'll know it by this time and we will lose this game because it will be obvious that Washington is way ahead of us in all phases.

go cowboys!

 

[Doomsday101]

sunday 10/13/13 prime time...that's when we will find out how much this team wants to win and if the coaching staff can prepare the team to win. 50 / 50 chance of beating the broncos at home the week before but this Washington game is important. after being swept last year, qb'd by griffin a rookie, 9 months worth of smack talk and this game is at home. if we don't win that game, then there will be accelerated talk of a coaching change, for sure.

i'm the first to defend tony romo and acknowledge that last year's defense was decimated. so, if garret can do it, it will be done by this point in the season and we will win this game. if he garret can't do it, then we'll know it by this time and we will lose this game because it will be obvious that Washington is way ahead of us in all phases.

go cowboys!

I don't see any particular game that will determine the fate of Garrett but I do think the season as a whole will.

 

[German Corner]

I don't see any particular game that will determine the fate of Garrett but I do think the season as a whole will.

that's not what I said doomsday my friend. I said that the division rival, blankin' blankin' Washington Commanders game will go a long way in determining if jg and staff are successful or not. NOT that win the answer is yes, lose the answer is no...K?

 

[Rockport]

that's not what I said doomsday my friend. I said that the division rival, blankin' blankin' Washington Commanders game will go a long way in determining if jg and staff are successful or not. NOT that win the answer is yes, lose the answer is no...K?

Glad you cleared that up because it sure did sound like you were putting it all on the Commander game.

 

[Doomsday101]

that's not what I said doomsday my friend. I said that the division rival, blankin' blankin' Washington Commanders game will go a long way in determining if jg and staff are successful or not. NOT that win the answer is yes, lose the answer is no...K?

Maybe so, just saying it will come down to how they do for the season not how they fair vs the skins or any other individual team. Bottom line did you win and make the post season or not? Given how close the NFC East is NY and Philly game could be even more important who knows

 

[burmafrd]

Three and a half years is enough to show if he is worth keeping around. By he end of this season it will be clear one way or another.

 

[Doomsday101]

Three and a half years is enough to show if he is worth keeping around. By he end of this season it will be clear one way or another.

I agree. I think this is a must season for Garrett and this team

 

[German Corner]

I predict we will beat the crap out of Washington on that night, not just barely win. we all know the sparks that fly when ou plays texas. this game will be that kind of atmosphere. we'll win and dominate. kick the everlovin' crap out Washington. that's what title winning teams do after being swept the year before.

i want success this year with jg. i want to say though, that when the words came out of jerry jones mouth 3 years ago "Jason garret" instead of john gruden i knew we were in for an uphill battle filled with headscratching moves by jerry jones along with sales pitches...

go cowboys!

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Unless the team just completely quits on him, like they did Wade, then I really don't see any situation where he'd be let go during the season. I think him staying in Dallas depends entirely on what Dallas does over the course of the entire year this season.

 

[KJJ]

and he has been in the process of eliminating some of those players. Again ANY HC I would give 3 years to do the job period. I should not have to repeat that over and over but evidently you don't get it. This is not Wade team any longer it is Garrett in my book he should be alotted 3 years to do the job, if I'm not willing to give a HC that then Jerry may as well coach the team himself. As for the defense they have not been good for a while, we don't get turnovers we have not been very good on 3rd downs. Not all Ryans fault but some of it was. As for Harbaugh I don't give a damn about him, he has done a great job however in most situation it takes time for a new HC. What someone else did on some other team does not mean a damn thing.

Some of those players from 2010 helped Garrett to a 5-3 record that season. The fact that he was able to go 5-3 with an aging backup QB speaks to the talent that team had. Just the year before practically the same team minus Dez Bryant went 11-5 and won a playoff game. Since the Cowboys have become "Garrett's team" they've been spinning their wheels at 8-8 the past 2 seasons. Don't know about you but I was expecting better than a couple of 8-8 seasons if he was going to be the answer at HC. Usually when a team hires a HC who ends up being the long-term answer you start seeing progress immediately UNLESS that team is in serious rebuilding mode or doesn't have a QB. Coming off back to back 8-8 seasons which resulted in Garrett being stripped of his play calling duties as well as seeing several coaching changes and a scheme change doesn't bode real well for him being the long-term answer at HC.

Garrett is down to one more season to finally start getting it right and his won/loss record will determine whether he's gotten it right or not. Some FANS see what they want to see but I can't see how anyone can say the Cowboys have progressed under Garrett the past 2 seasons. If the team has progressed Garrett wouldn't have been stripped of his play calling duties and old man Kiffin wouldn't have been brought in to try and fix the defense. Teams don't make the changes we've seen this offseason if they see progress.

 

[Doomsday101]

Some of those players from 2010 helped Garrett to a 5-3 record that season. The fact that he was able to go 5-3 with an aging backup QB speaks to the talent that team had. Just the year before practically the same team minus Dez Bryant went 11-5 and won a playoff game. Since the Cowboys have become "Garrett's team" they've been spinning their wheels at 8-8 the past 2 seasons. Don't know about you but I was expecting better than a couple of 8-8 seasons if he was going to be the answer at HC. Usually when a team hires a HC who ends up being the long-term answer you start seeing progress immediately UNLESS that team is in serious rebuilding mode or doesn't have a QB. Coming off back to back 8-8 seasons which resulted in Garrett being stripped of his play calling duties as well as seeing several coaching changes and a scheme change doesn't bode real well for him being the long-term answer at HC.

Garrett is down to one more season to finally start getting it right and his won/loss record will determine whether he's gotten it right or not. Some FANS see what they want to see but I can't see how anyone can say the Cowboys have progressed under Garrett the past 2 seasons. If the team has progressed Garrett wouldn't have been stripped of his play calling duties and old man Kiffin wouldn't have been brought in to try and fix the defense. Teams don't make the changes we've seen this offseason if they see progress.

I agree he has to win period but does not change how I feel about the profession of HC and the time a HC should be given. I think some fans are too quick to pull the tigger on a HC heck if they had their way we would be going through 1 coach per season unless the coach was someone they wanted. For me once a man is hired I think he should be given the time to do the job. As for the rest of your comments that is your own speculation and your own spin. Garrett had a past relations with Kiffin not Jerry I don't think Kiffin would be here if Garrett did not want him here.

 

[WPBCowboysFan]

We really don't know how the play calling duty switch played out. I do think that if Garrett wanted to continue to call plays, he would still be calling plays. However in his words, 28 head coaches don't call the plays tells you something.

Jerry NEVER said he took away Red's play calling option - NOT ONCE!

Its a mediot myth created to keep their ball rollin.

 

[5Stars]

Jerry NEVER said he took away Red's play calling option - NOT ONCE!

Its a mediot myth created to keep their ball rollin.

I don't know about that?

Here are some quotes from Jerry.

"We are not, and I know our fans are not, I'm not, and I know Jason is not, satisfied with the fact that we've been 8-8 two seasons in a row," Jones said. "The reason I'm doing it, and basically saying, 'OK, let's do something differently', is I think this will give us, with what we have now, the best chance to get to the playoffs and be where we want to go immediately."

"There is no way, when we're talking about doing something different on offense that it's a step back for Jason. It's actually a step forward for Jason, in my mind," Jones said.

"I think you do get that when you create more input, influence, whatever you want to call it. If Bill Callahan has more influence, and let's make that assumption from this answer, you will see more of the things that have worked for him in his coaching career," Jones said.

So, I really don't know what the story is?

 

[KJJ]

I agree he has to win period but does not change how I feel about the profession of HC and the time a HC should be given. I think some fans are too quick to pull the tigger on a HC heck if they had their way we would be going through 1 coach per season unless the coach was someone they wanted. For me once a man is hired I think he should be given the time to do the job. As for the rest of your comments that is your own speculation and your own spin. Garrett had a past relations with Kiffin not Jerry I don't think Kiffin would be here if Garrett did not want him here.

Being a HC is a tough profession every HC is a product of the players they have especially their QB. There's never been a great HC who had bad players or who didn't have at least a solid QB. Belichick was just another head coach in Cleveland and was nothing special in NE until Brady took over for Bledsoe. Belichick went 5-11 his final year in Cleveland in 95. He started off 5-11 in NE in 2000 and started the 2001 season 0-2 before his life changed with Bledsoe going down and Brady taking over. The fate of most head coaches are tied to the QB they have. Joe Gibbs and Bill Parcells are 2 of the only "great" head coaches I can think of off the top of my head who didn't have HOF QB's.

As for Garrett's past relationship with Kiffin I'm sure that played a role in Kiffin being in Dallas but what probably played an even bigger role was Kiffin's reputation he gained from having a great defense in Tampa that helped lead the Bucs to a SB win. Kiffin certainly wouldn't be here especially at his advanced age if he hadn't built such a great defense in Tampa a decade ago. Certainly no guarantee's it's going to workout with Kiffin he's an old man who's been out of the NFL for 4 years so Garret's fate is also going to be tied to his performance. Garrett lobbied for Kiffin so the defense better show improvement.

 

[KJJ]

Jerry NEVER said he took away Red's play calling option - NOT ONCE!

Its a mediot myth created to keep their ball rollin.

Jerry's ego won't allow him to admit that I still haven't heard the words come from his mouth that Callahan will be calling the plays in 2013. Even after it was made official that Callahan would be calling the plays Jerry still wouldn't confirm it.

 

[Risen Star]

He's got to make the playoffs this year or he's gone. Ryan was the excuse this year. Garrett is next in line if they fail again.

 

[burmafrd]

Red Ball knew this team before he became HC. That is VERY rare and frankly cuts the feet out under of any argument that he should get more than this season to prove himself. He also has a franchise QB which is also something not many new HCs have starting out. There are no reasons to give him more than this year without clear signs of improvement as regards winning games.

 

[cml750]

I think Garrett will get a whole season unless the team quits on him like they did with Wade Phillips. That being said, If I was Jerry, I would not accept anything less than a 10 win season. Another 8-8 or 9 - 7 finish should be Garrett's last. I personally think we will have 11+ wins now that Garrett is not running the offense. I think he is a good head coach who was in way over his head trying to be a head coach and a offensive coordinator. Doing both jobs hurt him. I am excited about this year.