Garrett expectations?

[Idgit]

Guys ... improvement in the team is usually accompanied by a better W-L record .... at least that's what i've seen through my years of watching football.

That definitely needs to be the trend. If you look at the W-L records of some all time great coaches in the league, you'll see significant variation. Other factors besides coaching affect the outcomes of games. The hard part is knowing if you're losing because of your personnel, your coaching, your schedule or injuries, or your luck. And then, when you try to fix what you think is wrong, you have to fix it the right way.

 

[Rockport]

Putting a great team together all starts with having a great QB. The Cowboys became one of the greatest teams of the 70's because they had one of the greatest QB's to ever play the game. The Cowboys were known as bridesmaids until Roger Staubach came along. Remove Staubach from those teams and the Cowboys would have continued being bridesmaids. Agree or disagree? The 3 greatest teams the Cowboys ever put together in the 90's all started by drafting a great QB. Teams build around their QB and practically every great HC who's in the HOF had a HOF QB.

A QB is what drives a team. Bill Belichick would probably be a coordinator somewhere if Tom Brady hadn't come along. More is put on the plate of a QB than ever before because the NFL is a passing league. No player on a team determines the outcome of more games than a QB. Remove Brady from NE and Rodgers from GB and you think they would be the same teams?

Seattle became a serious contender in one year because they finally found a QB. Washington had been spinning their wheels for over a decade and turned it all around in one year because they finally found a QB. Indy just went from a bumbling, stumbling 2 win team in 2011 to a 11 win contender in 2012 because they found QB. The last 4 SB MVP's have all been QB's. Can you name one division winning team from 2012 that didn't have a good QB situation? By the way show me a post where I said a HC doesn't deserve 3 years?

Maybe you're too young to remember but the Cowboys were pretty good before Staubach. And Aikman had all-pros on the offensive line, running back, wide receiver and on defense to mention a few.

 

[KJJ]

Maybe you're too young to remember but the Cowboys were pretty good before Staubach. And Aikman had all-pros on the offensive line, running back, wide receiver and on defense to mention a few.

The Cowboys were pretty good before Staubach but they were known as next years champions until he became the QB. They kept coming up short before he took over and began coming up short again after he retired. As for Aikman he had a lot of the same components around him as Joe Montana and a lot of other great QB's. When it came down to Aikman having to make the big throws in the big moments he came through.

 

[KJJ]

i'll go on record right now to say

at 8-8 or better garrett stays at least another year if not more (just chalk it up as another mediocre season for a team, FO, and fan base that has come to accept and even reward mediocrity)

at 8-8 the usual suspects on this board will come up with convenient excuses to explain away the poor performance

the only way garrett gets fired is if "the team quits on him" or we go 6-10 (highly unlikely)

so, buckle up, or get down on bended knee (as your preference might be)

I can't see any scenario where Garrett is back if he suffers through a 3rd straight 8-8 season. With the coaching changes that have been made and Garrett being stripped of his play calling duties the writing is pretty much on the wall heading into 2013. He has to at the very least have a winning record this season or he's gone. I can't see how Jerry could justify keeping him after 3 full seasons at 8-8 and no playoffs.

There isn't any way Jerry could stare into a camera after a 3rd straight 8-8 playoff less season under Garrett and say he's seeing progress. If the Cowboys miss the playoffs in 2013 that will be 4 straight seasons with no playoffs. Jerry will look like he doesn't give a crap about winning if he doesn't give Garrett the hook and bring in a viable HC who can get the team moving forward after 4 years of spinning it's wheels.

 

[KJJ]

Something forgotten on most who only judge by the W-L record.

Head coaches are judged by their W-L record at some point they have to start winning or they get fired. That's life as a head coach at any level especially in the NFL. Most coaches usually get a 2 year grace period to turn a team around but the wins have to start coming at least by their 3rd year or they'll be looking for another job. So if the Cowboys continue going 8-8 in 2013 you'll be fine with that? How do you determine a team is making progress if they stay at 500 every year?

 

[Rockport]

The Cowboys were pretty good before Staubach but they were known as next years champions until he became the QB. They kept coming up short before he took over and began coming up short again after he retired. As for Aikman he had a lot of the same components around him as Joe Montana and a lot of other great QB's. When it came down to Aikman having to make the big throws in the big moments he came through.

Yes, because he had a legitimate running game teams had to worry about, and an offensive line that knew how to protect the QB.

 

[5Stars]

Something forgotten on most who only judge by the W-L record.

Or, by the ones that only judge the team by the QB.

 

[KJJ]

Yes, because he had a legitimate running game teams had to worry about, and an offensive line that knew how to protect the QB.

Romo had a 1000 yard back in Julius Jones in 06 and Barber had over 600 rushing yards in a backup role. Jones averaged 4.1 a carry that season while Barber averaged 4.8 a carry. Both backs combined for 18 TD's. In 07 Jones and Barber combined for over 1600 rushing yards and 12 TD's. Barber who came up just short of 1000 yards that season averaged 4.8 yards a carry. Emmitt had only one season where he averaged more than 4.8 a carry. Tony Dorsett only had 2 seasons where he averaged 4.8 a carry which was his career best. In 1973 and 74 Roger Staubach was sacked 88 times. The year the Cowboys went to SB X in 1975 Staubach was sacked 36 times which was the same number Romo took last season. All the sacks Stabach took came in 14 game seasons.

During the Cowboys back to back SB wins in 92 and 93 Aikman was sacked 49 times which is 5 more sacks than Romo took in 07 and 08. Aaron Rodgers has been sacked 118 times the past 3 years which is 40 more sacks than Romo has taken and Rodgers won a SB during that period. Rodgers got sacked 51 times last season which is 15 more sacks than Romo took and he hasn't had a good running game but that hasn't stopped him from leading the Packers to double digit wins and the playoffs every year. Rodgers got sacked 8 times in one half vs Seattle last season and still almost led his team to a win had it not been for a botched call.

Ben Roethlisberger won a SB behind arguably the worst OL in SB history. Roethlisberger got sacked 48 times that season which resulted in a number of injuries one of which led to him being strapped down and carted off the field. He didn't have a running game that season and his defense got shredded by Kurt Warner in the SB but he found a way to win. It comes down to being a disciplined well coached team and having a QB who can make plays in critical situations and avoid turnovers.

 

[5Stars]

Romo had a 1000 yard back in Julius Jones in 06 and Barber had over 600 rushing yards in a backup role. Jones averaged 4.1 a carry that season while Barber averaged 4.8 a carry. Both backs combined for 18 TD's. In 07 Jones and Barber combined for over 1600 rushing yards and 12 TD's. Barber who came up just short of 1000 yards that season averaged 4.8 yards a carry. Emmitt had only one season where he averaged more than 4.8 a carry. Tony Dorsett only had 2 seasons where he averaged 4.8 a carry which was his career best. In 1973 and 74 Roger Staubach was sacked 88 times. The year the Cowboys went to SB X in 1975 Staubach was sacked 36 times which was the same number Romo took last season. All the sacks Stabach took came in 14 game seasons.

During the Cowboys back to back SB wins in 92 and 93 Aikman was sacked 49 times which is 5 more sacks than Romo took in 07 and 08. Aaron Rodgers has been sacked 118 times the past 3 years which is 40 more sacks than Romo has taken and Rodgers won a SB during that period. Rodgers got sacked 51 times last season which is 15 more sacks than Romo took and he hasn't had a good running game but that hasn't stopped him from leading the Packers to double digit wins and the playoffs every year. Rodgers got sacked 8 times in one half vs Seattle last season and still almost led his team to a win had it not been for a botched call.

Ben Roethlisberger won a SB behind arguably the worst OL in SB history. Roethlisberger got sacked 48 times that season which resulted in a number of injuries one of which led to him being strapped down and carted off the field. He didn't have a running game that season and his defense got shredded by Kurt Warner in the SB but he found a way to win. It comes down to being a disciplined well coached team and having a QB who can make plays in critical situations and avoid turnovers.

We get it. Romo sucks.

Carry on...

 

[Idgit]

Romo had a 1000 yard back in Julius Jones in 06 and Barber had over 600 rushing yards in a backup role. Jones averaged 4.1 a carry that season while Barber averaged 4.8 a carry. Both backs combined for 18 TD's. In 07 Jones and Barber combined for over 1600 rushing yards and 12 TD's. Barber who came up just short of 1000 yards that season averaged 4.8 yards a carry. Emmitt had only one season where he averaged more than 4.8 a carry. Tony Dorsett only had 2 seasons where he averaged 4.8 a carry which was his career best. In 1973 and 74 Roger Staubach was sacked 88 times. The year the Cowboys went to SB X in 1975 Staubach was sacked 36 times which was the same number Romo took last season. All the sacks Stabach took came in 14 game seasons.

During the Cowboys back to back SB wins in 92 and 93 Aikman was sacked 49 times which is 5 more sacks than Romo took in 07 and 08. Aaron Rodgers has been sacked 118 times the past 3 years which is 40 more sacks than Romo has taken and Rodgers won a SB during that period. Rodgers got sacked 51 times last season which is 15 more sacks than Romo took and he hasn't had a good running game but that hasn't stopped him from leading the Packers to double digit wins and the playoffs every year. Rodgers got sacked 8 times in one half vs Seattle last season and still almost led his team to a win had it not been for a botched call.

Ben Roethlisberger won a SB behind arguably the worst OL in SB history. Roethlisberger got sacked 48 times that season which resulted in a number of injuries one of which led to him being strapped down and carted off the field. He didn't have a running game that season and his defense got shredded by Kurt Warner in the SB but he found a way to win. It comes down to being a disciplined well coached team and having a QB who can make plays in critical situations and avoid turnovers.

The problem under Romo hasn't been his running game, or his OL in particular (though neither have been very good during parts of his tenure). Look at the performance of our secondary--or, at any rate, our passing defense--during that time.

 

[5Stars]

The problem under Romo hasn't been his running game, or his OL in particular (though neither have been very good during parts of his tenure). Look at the performance of our secondary--or, at any rate, our passing defense--during that time.

That part of the TEAM does not count!

Please keep up...

 

[Idgit]

That part of the TEAM does not count!

Please keep up...

Had it been discussed and discarded already? I apologize, if so. It's just so beyond obvious to me at this point that, in the Romo threads, my brain just goes to 1. QB play is good enough. 2. Pass defense is not good enough. 3. What wins games? Passing well, stopping the pass well. 4. What needs to improve? Go figure.

I tend to skip over the stuff about how important the running game is or why QB play is actually the problem we need to be worried about right now.

 

[5Stars]

Had it been discussed and discarded already? I apologize, if so. It's just so beyond obvious to me at this point that, in the Romo threads, my brain just goes to 1. QB play is good enough. 2. Pass defense is not good enough. 3. What wins games? Passing well, stopping the pass well. 4. What needs to improve? Go figure.

I tend to skip over the stuff about how important the running game is or why QB play is actually the problem we need to be worried about right now.

I didn't mean to make you mad.

 

[Idgit]

I didn't mean to make you mad.

Oh, yeah, no. I didn't read it that way. I just thought you were saying somebody already decided the pass defense doesn't count, and I'd missed it, above. I knew you were agreeing re: the pass defense. It's pretty obvious, after all.

 

[KJJ]

The problem under Romo hasn't been his running game, or his OL in particular (though neither have been very good during parts of his tenure). Look at the performance of our secondary--or, at any rate, our passing defense--during that time.

The main problem under Romo has been his turnovers and the defense not being able to stop anyone when the crunch games arrive late in the season. The defense has had issues stopping teams on 3rd down and keeping them out of the end zone. The pass coverage has been awful to say the least and the run defense hasn't been very good either. Romo was brilliant vs NO in week 16 last year but the defense got destroyed giving up over 500 yards of offense mostly through the air. It looked like a game of pitch and catch between Brees and his receivers.

Back in 06 the defense fell apart late in the season and Romo's 10 December turnovers putting the defense back on the field time and time again didn't help matters any. It's been the turnovers and the defenses inability to make stops and get turnovers that's led to most of the issues under Romo. In the season finale a one legged RG3 was able to hobble for 70 yards on the ground. That was a disgusting defensive effort especially considering what was at stake. The team has lacked discipline for years and that goes back to the coaching.

 

[5Stars]

Oh, yeah, no. I didn't read it that way. I just thought you were saying somebody already decided the pass defense doesn't count, and I'd missed it, above. I knew you were agreeing re: the pass defense. It's pretty obvious, after all.

Well, I was just messing with you about me making you mad.

Carry on...

 

[Rockport]

The main problem under Romo has been his turnovers and the defense not being able to stop anyone when the crunch games arrive late in the season. The defense has had issues stopping teams on 3rd down and keeping them out of the end zone. The pass coverage has been awful to say the least and the run defense hasn't been very good either. Romo was brilliant vs NO in week 16 last year but the defense got destroyed giving up over 500 yards of offense mostly through the air. It looked like a game of pitch and catch between Brees and his receivers.

Back in 06 the defense fell apart late in the season and Romo's 10 December turnovers putting the defense back on the field time and time again didn't help matters any. It's been the turnovers and the defenses inability to make stops and get turnovers that's led to most of the issues under Romo. In the season finale a one legged RG3 was able to hobble for 70 yards on the ground. That was a disgusting defensive effort especially considering what was at stake. The team has lacked discipline for years and that goes back to the coaching.

I, as well as many NFL Hall of Famers and others much more qualified than I, can see how good of a QB Romo is. The haters expose their ignorance with their hate. It's amusing.

 

[KJJ]

I, as well as many NFL Hall of Famers and others much more qualified than I, can see how good of a QB Romo is. The haters expose their ignorance with their hate. It's amusing.

I have posts all over the board saying how good a QB Romo is. Take the hater comments elsewhere.

 

[Rockport]

I have posts all over the board saying how good a QB Romo is. Take the hater comments elsewhere.

All I've seen is you saying Romo can't do this, Romo can't do that. Just calling it like I see it. If you have posts all over the place, I haven't seen them. But I've only been around a short time.

 

[Afigueroa22]

The biggest knock on Garrett to me was his play calling. Now that it is a non-issue, I think he has this team going in the right direction.
He may do some questionable things at times, but he seems like the kind of guy who learns from every single mistake.