Garrett is a great coach waiting to happen

[Aviano90]

Trying to reason with some folks is a joke at this point.

Then reason with me. There are many issues that have been brought up which aren't related to clapping. Some of them are clock management, game management, play calling, lack of adjustments, lack of results.

Without coming up with reasons/excuses for why haters shouldn't have those issues, what does Garrett bring to the table that people should still have confidence he is the right man to lead the Cowboys to being a perennial SB contender?

I think he does some good things so I'll help start the list:

• He's a good motivator.
• He took over camp cupcake and established "The Cowboys Way" as described in his 2013 address to the team.
• He had a great vision to create a dominant run game.

I think those things are all great and were necessary to get the team to a certain point, but I believe his weaknesses will ultimately make the team winning in the post season more difficult.

Why should I feel differently?

 

[LACowboysFan1]

Trying to reason with some folks is a joke at this point.

Wade Phillips was head coach of what, 3 teams? In 12 years, his playoff record is 1-5. Think most agree he's just not NFL head coach material. Smart guy, excellent defensive hcoordinator, no doubt.

Garrett is 1-2 in 7 full years as head coach. Give him 12 years and that extrapolates to 5 games, and a 2-3 record. To this point he's not shown to be NFL head coach material. Has he had some bad luck? Sure, like for Phillips the 1999 season Music City Miracle is one, a wildly improbable loss, the Bills were a very good team that year, win that game and they were in good shape for a SB appearance/win.

But didn't most agree with Phillips' firing, and hasn't it been proven that he's just not a great NFL head coach?

Garrett is running out of time, at some point you just have to realize it ain't happening and make a change. For me, it's this year, maybe the next if he does very well this year, such as appearing in the NFC championship game. Without that, even if the team has issues like with Zeke out and T. Smith's problems, if it was up to me I'd just have to make the move...

 

[Captain43Crash]

Stop using reason and facts...havemt you heard Garrett sucks and has no talent and is only good at clapping...jeez

The facts our since Garrett has been here, 8 long underachieving years, Garrett has had above average talent, with below average results, especially against the better teams. Can any of the Garrett supporters explain the Atlanta fiasco to me? I have never seen a game where 1 JAG DE was allowed to totally destroy a teams game plan because the HC never did ANYTHING to help his backup tackle. Garrett may be Princeton book smart, but he is DEFINITELY not football smart.

 

[PA Cowboy Fan]

I agree and will add that if he was a good coach we would have made the playoffs in his first three years instead of making stupid game / clock management decisions costing us at least two games per season and losing win or go home games to end each season against division rivals.

He should have got fired at the end of those seasons. Can't believe he survived. Those games still haunt me.

 

[Captain43Crash]

Enjoy your misery!

The misery is so much worse because we have a mediocre HC who likes to clap and yell, “fight, fight, fight”, when he should be making in game adjustments or managing the clock!!

 

[fredp22]

Tom Landry’s first 6 years 25-53-4. Jason Garrett’s first 6 years 61-46.

are u even hinting at comparing Landry to Garrett?

Landry took over a new franchise with scrubs for the first year- Garrett took over a fairly good team. Put Garrett with Cleveland 3 years ago-lets see how he does
Landry was a defensive genius, great offensively, and knew how to gameplan. Garrett couldnt even handle Chaz Green having a bad game.

 

[Captain43Crash]

name one innovation credited to Garrett....

“Crickets”

 

[LACowboysFan1]

"Tom Landry’s first 6 years 25-53-4. Jason Garrett’s first 6 years 61-46."

So? There is NO comparison. Landry started the team from scratch, not one draft pick. The other teams could protect 42 of their 45 players, Landry got to pick from backups, and the last backups at that. They had to hang their helmets and cleats up from the rafters so the rats wouldn't eat the leather parts. No hot water for showers. Great conditions for your players, right?

Garrett took over a fully staffed team, he had Lee, Scandrick, Dez, Church, Ratliff, Gurode, Newman, all at least pretty good players. He had a $1 billions dollar, state of the art facility to play/practice in.

Most ridiculous "argument" ever....

 

[Jipper]

are u even hinting at comparing Landry to Garrett?

Landry took over a new franchise with scrubs for the first year- Garrett took over a fairly good team. Put Garrett with Cleveland 3 years ago-lets see how he does
Landry was a defensive genius, great offensively, and knew how to gameplan. Garrett couldnt even handle Chaz Green having a bad game.

That fairly good team he took over was 1-7 And for the most part over the hill....agaim. I think the comparison the poster was trying to make was during the early years of both careers respectively...no one would be dumb enough to say Garrett compares to Landry in the 70s and 80s

 

[Captain43Crash]

He sure did and Garrett tool over a very old 1-7 team mid season...whats your point? Both had to do a complete build of the team's they had...garrett is now going into his 8th full season and has built a great team by drafting very well...

Both Garrett and Landry won COTY honors after their 6th season...lets see if Garrett can get us to the big game in the next few

Worst thing that could have happened to Cowboys fans was Garrett winning COTY. I hope this team plays great because I’m a fan, but come on, take of your rise colored glasses. This team has a lot of talent but also a bunch of ? marks. This team is far from great, especially with Garrett as HC.

 

[Rockport]

are u even hinting at comparing Landry to Garrett?

Landry took over a new franchise with scrubs for the first year- Garrett took over a fairly good team. Put Garrett with Cleveland 3 years ago-lets see how he does
Landry was a defensive genius, great offensively, and knew how to gameplan. Garrett couldnt even handle Chaz Green having a bad game.

Well for the first 6 years that's exactly what I did. The haters love statistics. So this is right in their face.

 

[Blackspider214]

I agree and will add that if he was a good coach we would have made the playoffs in his first three years instead of making stupid game / clock management decisions costing us at least two games per season and losing win or go home games to end each season against division rivals.

Exactly. 2011 we had freezing our own kicker against the Cardinals. Passing the ball up 24 against the Lions. Being conservative and accepting a 3 and out against New England and Giants. 2012 we were willing to let time waste and settled for a very long FG against the Ravens. And we all know we missed the playoffs by one game each of those years. Maddening.

 

[Jipper]

Worst thing that could have happened to Cowboys fans was Garrett winning COTY. I hope this team plays great because I’m a fan, but come on, take of your rise colored glasses. This team has a lot of talent but also a bunch of ? marks. This team is far from great, especially with Garrett as HC.

We can each have our opinions and I personally feel the talent we have on this team is the best collective group that Garrett has ever had...esp when you look at the oline rb qb combo plus the defense.

The question now is can he do something with it this year....


In the words of space balls " I see you have the Schwartz and your Schwartz is as big as mine, now let's are how well you handle it...." it's up to Garrett to take the next step...and if he stumbles it will likely be his last as hc

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Exactly. 2011 we had freezing our own kicker against the Cardinals. Passing the ball up 24 against the Lions. Being conservative and accepting a 3 and out against New England and Giants. 2012 we were willing to let time waste and settled for a very long FG against the Ravens. And we all know we missed the playoffs by one game each of those years. Maddening.

Don't forget blowing a 23 point lead to the Packers in 2013, their biggest comeback win in franchise history.

Oh, and that wasn't with Aaron Rodgers at QB. That was losing to Matt Flynn. Matt. Freaking. Flynn.

But hey, "right direction", "culture", and "consistency." And the best training camp t-shirt slogans.

 

[LACowboysFan1]

To those Garrett supporters, okay, let's keep him.

But when Garrett's been here 20 years and never got past the second game of the playoffs, and that only once or twice, hope you all will be ecstatic with that...

 

[Jipper]

Don't forget blowing a 23 point lead to the Packers in 2013, their biggest comeback win in franchise history.

Oh, and that wasn't with Aaron Rodgers at QB. That was losing to Matt Flynn. Matt. Freaking. Flynn.

But hey, "right direction", "culture", and "consistency." And the best training camp t-shirt slogans.

How was our defense that year? Look I get it hc gets blame but he can't play defense...part of the blame is bc players suck sometimes too

 

[Jipper]

To those Garrett supporters, okay, let's keep him.

But when Garrett's been here 20 years and never got past the second game of the playoffs, and that only once or twice, hope you all will be ecstatic with that...

I'm a Garrett supporter but if he doesn't show something 10 wins or better this year with a team that is 100 percent his then I am ready to move on...

 

[DiResta]

I would agree, but he got an immediate influx of talent and extra draft choices with the Walker trade, that was a big help. Obviously he had to select good players with the draft picks and do the actual coaching, but I doubt he'd have done as well so fast without the Walker trade, which of course Garrett hasn't had (though the extra years he's been the coach offsets that somewhat).

And Jimmy ran the team, Jerry was getting back into football after 25 years in the oil business, Jimmy was able to make far more decisions than Garrett can...

that and fresh from ncaa he had a great inside track on these guys and was smart enough to exploit it

 

[LACowboysFan1]

I'm a Garrett supporter but if he doesn't show something 10 wins or better this year with a team that is 100 percent his then I am ready to move on...

Me too...

 

[School]

name one innovation credited to Garrett....

Build a strong offense line and use a run heavy ball control offense to hide a weak defense when the league was trending towards hurry up and passing.