Garrett record compared to others?

[JoeKing]

The only record of Garrett's coaching career that needs to be considered is 0 NFC titles, 0 Super Bowl appearances, and 0 Lombardi trophies. Fire him now!

 

[Doomsay]

With the team the personnel they fielded, they should've been hard pressed to win 5 games. They started a rookie 4th rounder at the most important position, along with a rookie Rb...sheesh. Hence the COY award for an outstanding coaching job. How many games did you expect to win when Romo went down. Folks were lining up to jump off ledges....lol

Starting a #4 overall rookie RB, imagine that?

 

[Doomsay]

How do you overcome handicaps? You prop them up. You surround them with support.

If your coach is handicapping your team, you fire him.

 

[visionary]

Why do people always wish or want for what they can’t have?

Figure out how to make the most of what you do have.

How do you overcome handicaps? You prop them up. You surround them with support.

Its similar in how you approach surrounding a less than elite QB.

It is not that we want what we can't have
It's is not that Garrett is the owner and can't leave, Garrett will be forced to leave once the owner realizes what we do
Same thing with Jerry, wanting him to sell the cowboys is unrealistic but wanting him not as GM is eventually going to happen

 

[Diehardblues]

If your coach is handicapping your team, you fire him.

Of course. That’s the easy or obvious solution. And if you don’t . What’s your plan ? This is my point.

 

[Diehardblues]

It is not that we want what we can't have
It's is not that Garrett is the owner and can't leave, Garrett will be forced to leave once the owner realizes what we do
Same thing with Jerry, wanting him to sell the cowboys is unrealistic but wanting him not as GM is eventually going to happen

But not soon enough to help us now.

So, instead of giving up or a completely hopeless outlook what’s our best means to attempt to overcome?

 

[Stash]

Of course. That’s the easy or obvious solution. And if you don’t . What’s your plan ? This is my point.

If Garrett remaining the head coach is a forced condition, there is no "solution". And no "plan" will overcome it. No team has overcome an incompetent head coach to win a Super Bowl, and no team ever will.

You can throw whatever draft picks or free agent signings at it you want, but players will never overcome incompetent coaching. Lord knows that Romo tried long enough.

Players - no matter how good they are - simply can't put themselves in position to make plays with poor schemes and playcalls holding them back.

 

[Diehardblues]

If Garrett remaining the head coach is a forced condition, there is no "solution". And no "plan" will overcome it. No team has overcome an incompetent head coach to win a Super Bowl, and no team ever will.

You can throw whatever draft picks or free agent signings at it you want, but players will never overcome incompetent coaching. Lord knows that Romo tried long enough.

Players - no matter how good they are - simply can't put themselves in position to make plays with poor schemes and playcalls holding them back.

That could be the case. But it brought us to the brink a couple times of a championship appearance which provides me some hope a few more elite pieces could make a difference.

Jerry’s agenda does though present the bar being lowered and why we’ve become a mediocre franchise with less quality coaching.

 

[Diehardblues]

As I look around the NFL I don’t see that many quality HC’s but I do see elite QB’s and top defenses.

The NFL is a talent driven league. Look how much we’ve been effected without all of our talent on the field.

There’s fewer coaches who are winning consistently without their best talent and little hope they’d come here.

 

[Sydla]

As I look around the NFL I don’t see that many quality HC’s but I do see elite QB’s and top defenses.

The NFL is a talent driven league. Look how much we’ve been effected without all of our talent on the field.

There’s fewer coaches who are winning consistently without their best talent and little hope they’d come here.

So again, because it's not easy to get a really good coach, that means we need to keep Garrett and hopefully he bucks the trends and becomes an elite coach.

Yeah. No.

 

[Diehardblues]

So again, because it's not easy to get a really good coach, that means we need to keep Garrett and hopefully he bucks the trends and becomes an elite coach.

Yeah. No.

What defines an elite coach : winning championships?

I think championships and at least contending for a championship can be had without an elite coach if you have enough elite talent.

Bottom line is my point is we’re stuck with our handicaps. Waiting for an Absolution from Jerry isn’t a plan.

 

[visionary]

That could be the case. But it brought us to the brink a couple times of a championship appearance which provides me some hope a few more elite pieces could make a difference.

Jerry’s agenda does though present the bar being lowered and why we’ve become a mediocre franchise with less quality coaching.

Making the playoffs is not the brink
That's where you're wrong
This coaching staff is not beating 3-4 good teams in a row and that is what we need

 

[Stash]

That could be the case. But it brought us to the brink a couple times of a championship appearance which provides me some hope a few more elite pieces could make a difference.

Jerry’s agenda does though present the bar being lowered and why we’ve become a mediocre franchise with less quality coaching.

While I don't share your hope about being able to overcome Garrett, I certainly agree about the "Jerry factor" .

In my opinion, and I think his record bears this out, he's a mediocre coach capable of beating less than mediocre coaches and teams. Or catching teams in a funk like we did with the Chiefs this year.

But when facing better than mediocre? He, and we, are done. And that's why he can't win the must win games and can't win even if he gets there.

 

[Diehardblues]

Making the playoffs is not the brink
That's where you're wrong
This coaching staff is not beating 3-4 good teams in a row and that is what we need

Your right. They’re not now but to make a championship game if you have a bye you only have to beat 1 good team.

That should be our goal now. A championship appearance .

 

[Diehardblues]

While I don't share your hope about being able to overcome Garrett, I certainly agree about the "Jerry factor" .

In my opinion, and I think his record bears this out, he's a mediocre coach capable of beating less than mediocre coaches and teams. Or catching teams in a funk like we did with the Chiefs this year.

But when facing better than mediocre? He, and we, are done. And that's why he can't win the must win games and can't win even if he gets there.

That’s a fair argument and the results certainly bear that out.

My point is within our parameters with Jerry and Jason how do we pull out those playoff games against the Packers. Or you don’t think it’s even a possibility if we had a couple more pieces?

 

[Diehardblues]

For the sake of argument this past weekend in WC rounds do you believe all of the best coaches won their playoff games?

Or did the most talented teams win?

 

[Captain-Crash]

gregg we know the "agenda" and we know your "agenda". Why not just hire the best OC and DC, so Jason can do what he does best. Whatever that is.

 

[Stash]

That’s a fair argument and the results certainly bear that out.

My point is within our parameters with Jerry and Jason how do we pull out those playoff games against the Packers. Or you don’t think it’s even a possibility if we had a couple more pieces?

Yes. I don't think it's even a possibility, even I feel we had more pieces.

My firm belief (unprovable obviously) is that, even if this team had managed to beat Rodgers and the Packers (despite the coaching), they would have gotten embarrassed by that Falcons team the next week. The Falcons took the Cowboys to the woodshed this year, and they don't look nearly as good as the 2016 team.

We can see from all of the "win and you're in" losses that we get nothing from the coaches during the biggest games. And the losses on those rare occasions when they do make the playoffs only reinforces that.

It's one thing to beat up the worse teams and coaches on your schedule during the season, but when you get to the playoffs, you're facing the cream of the crop. And Garrett and Co always get taken to the woodshed.

 

[Stash]

For the sake of argument this past weekend in WC rounds do you believe all of the best coaches won their playoff games?

Or did the most talented teams win?

I think in some cases, neither, especially on the AFC side.

And now, both of those "winners" will be served up and devoured by the actually good teams.

 

[visionary]

Yes. I don't think it's even a possibility, even I feel we had more pieces.

My firm belief (unprovable obviously) is that, even if this team had managed to beat Rodgers and the Packers (despite the coaching), they would have gotten embarrassed by that Falcons team the next week. The Falcons took the Cowboys to the woodshed this year, and they don't look nearly as good as the 2016 team.

We can see from all of the "win and you're in" losses that we get nothing from the coaches during the biggest games. And the losses on those rare occasions when they do make the playoffs only reinforces that.

It's one thing to beat up the worse teams and coaches on your schedule during the season, but when you get to the playoffs, you're facing the cream of the crop. And Garrett and Co always get taken to the woodshed.

All you have to do is look at garretts record against winning teams and in win or go home games

It's a fools errand to think we're going anywhere with this HC

He might get lucky in a game or 2 but there is zero possibility of any kind of sustained post season success