Garrett vs. Lewis what's the difference?

[Hawkeye19]

Did I say Weeden was a starting QB? His overall record shows he won more games in Cleveland than a Dallas roster per 7 games stretch...

Secondly, now your looking for excuses to try and argue out the way that Romo was always talented and had success out of Garrett's offense. And you tried to do it arguing that Garrett got stripped of play-calling away from him for Romo to actually have an MVP year. Romo has always been a gunslinger and Garrett's offense didn't change it.

The very first year Garrett had total
control, Dallas offense went from second in scoring to 18, despite maintaining yardage. It provides progressively hovered there and got worse and trended in the bottom half of the league. Their red-zone scoring was amongst the worst. In 2010, the year Wade got fired, in 8 games, the offense turned the ball over 19 TIMES in 8 games, but Garrett honers defended him and blamed the defense. The year before that, when Dallas finally won a playoff game, the defense of Wade's was second in the league.

Jerry, when he gave Romo the new contract, explicitly said he would start involving him in the game planning, meaning Garrett was running a joke of an offense. That was the year AFTER Romo and Witten were both yelling at Garrett on the sidelines.

Romo is nice to everybody including TO. The reality is this offense DID start making changes. It hasn't gone far enough..

So-- Garrett gets all the blame and none of the credit. Got it.

 

[khiladi]

So-- Garrett gets all the blame and none of the credit. Got it.

So Garrett gets all the credit, but none of the blame... Got it...

 

[khiladi]

Oh gosh I'm sorry I didn't read every post in an 8 page thread. I only responded to you questioning the Bengals talent level. Lewis had been given the benifit of the doubt for many years and now it's paying off. I'm not a garret apologist, but I'm not calling for his head. I see merit in keeping him and firing him. I think we still have the team in place to make a run. I do value continuity. But I am as frustrated as anyone. Had we not been destroyed with injuries starting in week 1 I believe this conversation wouldn't have taken place.

And I clarified it when responding you, but you kept insisting on your point.. It's not the first time I stated it to you..

And guess what, we are in this situation and Garrett has shown how incompetent he really is, without Romo.. And the Cowboys aren't the only team that has suffered from injuries... Commanders have lost 8 starters and our whole OL is healthy..

And had Garrett not been in Jerry' family tree, we wouldn't have been in this situation either, failing to make the playoffs every year against an NFC East opponent in the last game nor would Garrett have gotten extended five years based on one season, where it was pretty much Romo saving him...

 

[RS12]

Seattle opening a can.

 

[Hawkeye19]

So Garrett gets all the credit, but none of the blame... Got it...

Wrong. Go back and re-read my original post. I am simply saying that Romo has had success in this offense-- so it doesn't make sense to change something he's comfortable with. Especially when statistically-- the defense has been what has been hurting us more consistently throughout the duration of his career.

Has nothing to do with Garrett really... more about what I think makes sense for Romo at this point in his career and gives us the best chance to win with the small 2-3 year window we still have open.

 

[CWR]

And I clarified it when responding you, but you kept insisting on your point.. It's not the first time I stated it to you..

And guess what, we are in this situation and Garrett has shown how incompetent he really is, without Romo.. And the Cowboys aren't the only team that has suffered from injuries... Commanders have lost 8 starters and our whole OL is healthy..

And had Garrett not been in Jerry' family tree, we wouldn't have been in this situation either, failing to make the playoffs every year against an NFC East opponent in the last game nor would Garrett have gotten extended five years based on one season, where it was pretty much Romo saving him...

Geez man I clarified to you I wasn't a Jason Garret apologist. I wouldn't lose sleep if he was fired. I only see the merit in longevity and continuancy. The Browns thought Bill Belicheck was trash. I agree that our coaching staff as well as our players have underperformed. Say whatever you want about Lewis and how the Bengals handled him. It took alot of patience and faith. I have no doubt we'd have been screaming to have him fired if we were Bengals fans after continuing to exit in the first round of the playoffs regularly.

Again I've CLARIFIED your wrong about their qb situation. He's been there's for a decade and had 3 to 4 good years with Palmer and another 3 to 4 good years with Dalton. He hasn't got it done period. The Bengals were smart and held on. It's paying off as of right now. Last year Garret had many fans. I take it your a big jerry jones supporter and we've been very talented each year he's been here. Because you seem to place all blame on Garret.

It's a ridiculous argument to compare the Commanders injuries to ours. We lost our damn franchise qb and our number one wr right from the begining. We didn't have hardy and we didn't have Gregory either. We lost a pro bowl level cb and we were done. The Commanders don't have those kind of impact players ( romo and dez specifically) it's not too hard to downgrade from a mediocre player to a little bit less mediocre player. I'm done with you man. Believe what you want. I don't care.

 

[CWR]

And I clarified it when responding you, but you kept insisting on your point.. It's not the first time I stated it to you..

And guess what, we are in this situation and Garrett has shown how incompetent he really is, without Romo.. And the Cowboys aren't the only team that has suffered from injuries... Commanders have lost 8 starters and our whole OL is healthy..

And had Garrett not been in Jerry' family tree, we wouldn't have been in this situation either, failing to make the playoffs every year against an NFC East opponent in the last game nor would Garrett have gotten extended five years based on one season, where it was pretty much Romo saving him...

And please give me a really long winded response. Make it about 4 paragraphs, fact check it and research away. Spend some real time on it and get it just right. Because I'm done listening to you cry about Garret and the Cowboys, so I'll just go ahead and block you.

 

[khiladi]

Geez man I clarified to you I wasn't a Jason Garret apologist. I wouldn't lose sleep if he was fired. I only see the merit in longevity and continuancy. The Browns thought Bill Belicheck was trash. I agree that our coaching staff as well as our players have underperformed. Say whatever you want about Lewis and how the Bengals handled him. It took alot of patience and faith. I have no doubt we'd have been screaming to have him fired if we were Bengals fans after continuing to exit in the first round of the playoffs regularly.

Again I've CLARIFIED your wrong about their qb situation. He's been there's for a decade and had 3 to 4 good years with Palmer and another 3 to 4 good years with Dalton. He hasn't got it done period. The Bengals were smart and held on. It's paying off as of right now. Last year Garret had many fans. I take it your a big jerry jones supporter and we've been very talented each year he's been here. Because you seem to place all blame on Garret.

It's a ridiculous argument to compare the Commanders injuries to ours. We lost our damn franchise qb and our number one wr right from the begining. We didn't have hardy and we didn't have Gregory either. We lost a pro bowl level cb and we were done. The Commanders don't have those kind of impact players ( romo and dez specifically) it's not too hard to downgrade from a mediocre player to a little bit less mediocre player. I'm done with you man. Believe what you want. I don't care.

You didn't clarify to me anything regarding the QB.. I already explained the QB position to you in Cleveland with Palmer before you entered The picture. Now your changing the argument to SBs which was never the issue, but the comparison of Lewis to Garrett in terms of overall coaching performance.. It's not even close to comparable to Garrett, who has had Romo for 8 years playing at an all-pro level all the while the organization has made all sorts of changes to try and save Jason from his own incompetence.

And now the comparison to the Commanders situation is allegedly invalid, but the Bengals is not and apparently it's ridiculous to demand that we win one or two games in a 7 game stretch despite injuries? Actually, how about 8 even with Romo?

Basically, your just making everything excuse for Garrett, including Jerry not giving him a team. Explain why all of Garrett's family is essentially in the organization in influential positions?

Did Jerry force Jason's brother on him when Jason made him TE coach and then promoted him the very next year to Passing game coordinator? Is Judd Garrett not responsible for talent level when he's essentially Director of Pro Scouting? Is Jerry fully to blame when Jim Garrett was essentially in charge of personnel with Stephen and Lacewell starting in 1997, when the train wreck started after Jimmy left?

How do you think Jason got the job in the first place?

 

[JohnsKey19]

Garrett had had a top 5-7 QB for his entire coaching tenure

Lewis is not that good but he is leagues better than Garrett

Agreed. If you lose Lewis, you let a top defensive coach out of your building who would instantly be the top Def Coordinator available. You lose Garrett, quite honestly I'm not sure what you lose if anything and what kind of job he'd be able to secure on the open market. So while the W-L records as HCs may be similar and there are a ton of factors that go into that, one coach is much more highly regarded around the NFL than the other as a football coach. And it's not even close.So that's the difference.

 

[dallasdave]

One guy is able to win games without their star quarterback while the other one can't.

Great point !!!!