Garrett's 3 year plan

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  1. rcaldw

    rcaldw Well-Known Member

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    And while I don't completely agree with every way you see the turn around, I do in large measure, and I respect the fact you can admit where you were wrong
     
  2. Idgit

    Idgit Riding the Red Rocket Staff Member

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    It's sort of a spectrum. And while I give Jason a lot more credit than most in the process (I don't agree with your assessment here, Houston, for example), I can readily see a logical case that can be made for how much grey area there is in how it all came together. And I wouldn't say for a minute that Jason hasn't made some significant mistakes in the process that have cost us wins and probably post seasons as a result. And I'm not talking about play calling. I mean architectural mistakes in putting together his staff and his scheme that have hurt us a bit while this is all coming together. At the same time, though, I think the direction and the overall plan has been pretty obvious. It's just taken longer to bear fruit than it might have otherwise.
     
  3. khiladi

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    Jason Garrett on drafting Tyson Smith in February 2012:

    http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2013...-nfl-draft-2013-do-you-live-by-the-bpa-theory

    That year in which he said they couldn't draft as purely possible was the year they took Smith. He emphatically states that needs should be addressed via free agency and drafting should be done according to BPA. This is how he defines his process.

    He says 2011, the year they drafted Smith was an exception and they couldn't draft as purely as possible. This was the year they took Smith. And yet, Stephen Jones in 2011, the year before, said that they would pick the BPA which ended up being Smith.

    And drafting Smith wasn't even a BPA issue, because he was potentially one of the best OL to come out of college in years.

    Jeff Sullivan is full of garbage. Jason Garrett flat out denies him and Stephen Jones flat out denies him. You can spin it all you want, but that's reality.

    Jason Garrett says that they don't build by need, thus refuting all you homers that think that Garrett was set on building the OL from the beginning. In fact, it gives more credence to the fact that Jerry Jones went Frederik. The need of OL was NOT built via free agency, it was build via the draft.

    And we all know, per Jerry's own words, that they had 3 defensive players rated before Martin lined up to pick, but they all were taken. More people were scared about this defense and many kept whining about injuries.
     
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  4. khiladi

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    Further, where is this estimate that Garrett said he needed 3 years to rebuild a team? The only 3 year rule I have heard is Parcells, saying you know if you have a player after 3 years. Plus, this is year 4 as a HC anyways. He's only talked about process, every time his team choked. When they fired Rob Ryan, he said that they needed to generate more TOs to give the offense more chances to win.

    http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap10...rett-lack-of-turnovers-led-to-rob-ryan-firing

    Nowhere was Jason Garrett blaming the offense for lack of production.
     
  5. khiladi

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  6. TexasFrog

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    I respect that Idgit...a long with most of your posts. Not everyone is going to agree. I just don't see a right or wrong in the process. That is my problem. And as you stated, I find a lot more gray, especially the transition from HC/OC to the set up we have now. To me that wasn't planned by JG and the process to get to Lineham wasn't planned by JG. I look at it as everyone maybe agreed what was needed but there were factors that pushed the agenda too....salary cap, Jerry, not winning, blown games. There is a reaction to all of those things whether it be cutting a high priced vet(which I'm proud Jerry finally started doing instead of loyalty), to getting another coordinator when JG was having issues with handling both jobs, etc. I also think, by Jerry's comments after last season, that there are a lot of things we don't know and that maybe he expected more at the end of last year...more to what should have been built into the process. In the NFL nothing is fluid.
     
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  7. Idgit

    Idgit Riding the Red Rocket Staff Member

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    Not sure what conclusion you're trying to draw here, but this says nothing to refute the obvious fact that the Cowboys under Garrett and a clear plan to address and rebuild the OL through the draft.
     
  8. khiladi

    khiladi Well-Known Member

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    You know exactly what the conclusion is and you know what exactly it proves.
     
  9. khiladi

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    http://www.***BANNED-URL***/sports/...an-do-to-avoid-2013-s-draft-day-confusion.ece

    Even Stephen Jones admits they had Sharif Floyd as the BPA in the draft. And this was the year they were targeting defense.

    There was utter confusion in the draft room that was reported by the papers when Jerry traded down and went Frederik, because of Marinelli. Frederik per Yakuza Rich even mentioned recently that it was Callahan that lobbied for the drafting of Frederik.
     
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  10. visionary

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    Even though you and I have had our differences in the past, I largely agree with your post.

    The reality is that I was a supporter of Garrett through the initial part of his tenure but IMO results beat hope. However , even though I think that some of what has transpired is serendipity and linehan /marinelli, if the team keeps playing well and wins some post season games , both Jason and Jerry will deserve the credit. As a fan, I think of the cowboys as my team, and if they can put a consistent contender on the field , no one will be happier.

    As mods, I bet you guys can already see the change in tone on the board. Real hope is back , not just made up believe stuff
     
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  11. rcaldw

    rcaldw Well-Known Member

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    There have been reasons for real hope for a while.
     
  12. khiladi

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    In 2013, the year they went OL on what was clear confusion, they only drafted one player that played in the TRENCHES, whether offense or defense, and that was Frederik.

    Todd Archer, the resident Jason Garrett homer at ESPN, said this about the draft:

    He said about Escobar:

    How is altering your philosophy with two-tight ends part of the process, when that has been abandoned with Linehan?
     
  13. khiladi

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    I was a Garrett fan in 2007 and 2008, until the whole fall-out and Wade got all the blame and failure to recognize the poor play-calling of Garrett as one of the main problems. Things like not practicing in pads and culture and other ridiculous claims were given attention.
     
  14. visionary

    visionary Well-Known Member

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    Game set and match
     
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  15. ConstantReboot

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    LOL now your being silly and too bad you can't seem to get it.

    We could have ran that same package last year if we wanted to. It took a different playcaller. WE could have never have done that was because it was never called or practiced. We were to fixated on the pass.....

    Do you not comprehend?
     
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  16. ConstantReboot

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    Of course we pass less on 3rd down now. We have a different playcaller that wasn't fixated on passing compared to last year. There wasn't a major change in our offense besides having Linehan call the plays.

    People here are so in love with Garrett that a little negativity about him gets them up and arms over nothing.

    Face it. He wasn't the best playcaller all these years. In fact, he was terrible. Thank God for Linehan coming here and figuring out we are a running team. Thus you see the results that you see now.
     
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  17. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    You mean the play caller who was pass happy the last half decade or so?

    Also please look at our run / pass split from last year after our bye.

    Please report back.
     
  18. rcaldw

    rcaldw Well-Known Member

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    I admire the patience of you guys. Mine is spent. I really believe it doesn't matter what the question is, or what the answer is, the conclusion is: "I will not accept that Jason Garrett is #1 on the list of people deserving of respect for the turnaround." Notice, I didn't say the only person... not by far. But the head coach and the leader of the turnaround. They will never admit it, and it has nothing to do with Garrett. It has to do with them.
     
  19. ConstantReboot

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    Doomsy, totally agree with you.We are a different team this year compared to last year. Im not arguing or debating that. The major change is not with the personnel. The major change is our philosophy.

    We had the same personnel as last year with the only addition is Martin. Mind you Martin is playing great. But the main factor to all this is Linehan calling the plays - and Callahan coaching the team how to block.

    There was no definite 3 year plan that said lets draft linesmen so they can block and we can run the ball. The idea was to draft linesmen so that we can protect Romo and control the line of scrimmage.

    The run game happened because all the pieces started to fall in place when Linehan came in here and all he did was rearrange the seating on the bus. He was the catalyst that brought about all this and not some 3 year plan.
     
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  20. rcaldw

    rcaldw Well-Known Member

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    And you know all of this how?
     

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