Garrett's 3 year plan

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  1. TexasFrog

    TexasFrog Well-Known Member

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    My narrative has been the same throughout the process. There is no right or wrong here. That is what you aren't getting. The minute you can answer these simple questions in detail, the minute you will get what a majority of people here are saying....a) did JG's process that you are proudly touting consist of him becoming HC/OC, having it ripped away twice, and in the long run have him as a figure head HC while others ran the offense? and b) did JG's process consist of a learning curve where he has "a" happen, along with losing games because of his clock management and inability to call the offense. Along with this was it part of the process to miss the playoffs all those years because of those games and decisions regarding the running game...so much so that the owner called him to the mat on it? AND for his teams to consistently come out unprepared in 1st halfs only to have furious comeback attempts int he 4th quarter. That was ALL part of the 3 year plan?

    AGAIN, the reality is that JG had an IDEA of what he wanted to do. I'm assuming it consisted of being HC/OC, running the offense his way, having a team get younger, have guys be accountable, etc. PART of this plan has worked its way through the last 3 years. BUT a lot of what is going on is Jerry due to cap restrictions and really a yearly reassessment with JG and others. The cap made us unload high priced, aging vets. The yearly coordinator shuffle was to take the OC position off JG's plate and to improve the D. That is the truth. Answer the questions and have a real football conversation.
     
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  2. TexasFrog

    TexasFrog Well-Known Member

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    Apologies!I'll stick to the narrative of wanting football questions answered.
     
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  3. rcaldw

    rcaldw Well-Known Member

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    The only reason I don't write a book in response to you is that your scenarios have all been answered thousands of times. They have been answered in detail on this forum and long before you saw the light. :) I just don't have the energy or desire to keep doing it when you will tell your own story regardless. So, as I said, carry on. You like to think you're in the majority. You, in fact, are in that group trying to figure out how we are 5-1 with a head coach you haven't respected, and how you can re-tell it in a way so that now the "organization" gets the credit :) Go for it :) Garrett has done a great job here and will be here a long time. Deservedly so.
     
  4. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    You're being ridiculous. And we didn't always run on 3rd and short...again...because when we indicated run we'd get blown off the ball. That's why we ran the draw so much.

    Look at that last touchdown drive versus the Seahawks. We lined up in jumbo set 3 straight times and ran the same play the last two times. We could NEVER have done that last year.
     
  5. blindzebra

    blindzebra Well-Known Member

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    Stay football ignorant.
     
  6. Toruk_Makto

    Toruk_Makto Well-Known Member

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    Except if you look to the 2nd half of last year....your argument starts to disintegrate...not that you've presented much facts...
     
  7. blindzebra

    blindzebra Well-Known Member

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    Jerry has said that when Garrett was hired Jason wanted to hire an OC but Jerry demanded that he do both, so get your fact straight before insulting someone.
     
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  8. Doomsday101

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    It was supposed to be Garrett's offense, but Callahan said it was “the Cowboys offense.”

    The end result was another 8-8 finish by the Cowboys and disappointment with Callahan and the overall feeling of the offense.

    While Tyron Smith, DeMarco Murray and Dez Bryant became Pro Bowlers under Callahan/Garrett other parts of the offense faltered. Miles Austin regressed due to injuries. Gavin Escobar was the second-round pick who didn't play enough at tight end. Third down conversions slipped from 43.9 percent in 2012 to 35 percent last year.

    A change was needed, so Garrett snagged his buddy in Linehan. He ran the Detroit Lions offense in 2013, which finished third overall in the league at 408.8 yards per game.

    Garrett kept his hand in the offense last season despite his plan of letting Callahan run the show. Now, Garrett is supposed to take a step away from things and let Linehan control the offense.

    Garrett is supposed to be more relaxed with this arrangement. It's interesting to see, considering he's in the final year of his contract.

    But maybe Garrett is in more control now than ever before. He's got his close friend running the offense in comparison to Callahan.

    “We have a lot of confidence in our offensive coaching staff,” Garrett said. “I'm certainly going to still be connected with them and communicate very closely with them on how we are doing things and share some of my thoughts on it. Hear some of their thoughts and decide what's best for our football team. But I have a lot of confidence in Scott Linehan, a lot of confidence in Bill Callahan and the whole offensive staff to do things the way we want to do them.”

    http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/cowboys/post/_/id/4726202/garrett-explains-scott-linehan
     
  9. TexasFrog

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    I don't know you from Adam but its tough to have a normal football conversation with someone who doesn't engage. You've never answered the question. You've gleamed them. If its cut and paste, go for it. I want to know. The fact that you aren't answering it speaks volumes. I practice law for a living and I feel like that if this was a courtroom you'd have a jury shaking their head at you thinking "why won't he just answer the questions vs deflecting." I also want you to try and read people's posts before shooting off answers with no responses. I've told my Garrett story many times and how it transitioned out. I used to sit here and talk about how I loved that he made guys wear suits to the game ,etc because we needed the discipline. That changed. It changed because I saw the reality of it. The questions I asked above speak volumes about what happened and they are facts. There is a difference between respect and job performance. I respect Garrett just like I have many coaches like Campo and others along the way, I respect them as men. It doesn't mean I have to eat up everything about them and think they are great coaches. Garrett's process wasn't an exact plan, plain and simple. I've given him partial credit. In multiple responses in this thread you've not expressed ONE football assertion regarding how JG's plan came to fruition or answered any of the questions presented. The chain letter has been "Attack messenger, say I'm right and you're wrong, say I've already talked about these things." It's not attacking you personally but as a poster I'd sure like more than "At 5-1, after 4 years of heartache, I'm right." Right now the team is doing well, but its truly disingenuous to say that what happened the last 4 years was EXACTLY the plan JG had in mind and that it came to fruition.
     
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  10. visionary

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    Laughable are posters who refused to see the problems with the team for the last 15+ years and made every excuse imaginable. When the FO finally did what MANY of us had been saying for years ie build the OL , these posters are calling out others
     
  11. rcaldw

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    I have already explained why I don't engage, and it has nothing to do with lack of evidence or strength of argument...it has to do with zero desire to reintroduce evidence that has been presented ad nauseum with the same results every time. BZ already shot down one of your foundational arguments and my money says you won't acknowledge that he's right. I agree the jury would be shaking it's head but for an entirely different reason than you imagine. As I said, carry on. You don't have to convince me. You have to convince those who will listen to you on this subject.
     
  12. rcaldw

    rcaldw Well-Known Member

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    You and Houston frog are on the same page.
     
  13. LittleBoyBlue

    LittleBoyBlue Redvolution

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    Again. Give Garrett credit. Yes.

    Jones hired how many different coordinators and assistants over the last 4 years??



    it's not even close.
     
  14. TexasFrog

    TexasFrog Well-Known Member

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    I rest my case. You filled out the "Mad-Libs" fill in the blank form because you can't answer simple questions. I'm not engaging BZ. I'm engaging someone who says outright that JG had a process from Day 1, was great at building through the process and now in Year 4 is seeing all of his master plan work. That is what you are saying. You are just ignoring the games, the turnover at coaching, the constant change in his own status as HC/OC, etc. That isn't a master plan. That isn't a blueprint. Give him credit for staying the course on discipline and message. But to act like the last 3 years was a PLAN when we've been unprepared, out coached and had Jerry playing musical coordinator is just making up a scenario. It's really an easy concept. No one in their right mind would say JG was running this show for 4 years and that Jerry and others were obvious to it when they made their statements at the end of last year.
     
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  15. rcaldw

    rcaldw Well-Known Member

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    Enjoy the perspective. You win in the court room of HoustonFrog. ...gavel sound
     
  16. TexasFrog

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    Exactly!

    Let's say I said, "I have a 3 year plan to build my dream home for my kids and family to enjoy and here is the blueprint" and it was a 2 story modern home with all kinds of cool rooms. Year 1 into the build the developer says the city won't zone me for a 2 story home. Not only that but the neighborhood doesn't allow the stone I want to use. So I hire a new architect to get around these things. Year 2 of the build and my wife says that the kitchen is too small and she and the architect build it out and take away part of the huge TV room I wanted. The developer comes to me in Years 2 and 3 and says we are over budget and we need to cut some of the cool gadgets and plusses I wanted. So the house finishes in Year 4 and I have this great sprawling ranch style house that my family and kids love. Was my goal to have a house my kids love? Yes. Was the house the 2 story modern home with the stone I wanted? No. Did I keep working and going through all the mistakes? Yes. Did my architect, wife and many others affect how the house was built? Yes.

    That's reality. JG had a plan in his head. Did his master plan work over 3 years the way he planned it? No. Is everyone happy with where we are at now? Yes.
     
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  17. Idgit

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    I've yet to see a group of posters on the site who didn't see and weren't able to talk about problems with the team. I think there were a lot of discussions on those topics, weren't there? And the front office has been rebuilding the OL since Jason Garrett took over--something else I don't think any red-blooded Cowboy fan ever had a problem with since Jason released Gurode and Davis and went shopping for a new LT....it was both obvious and necessary.

    The issue comes in in that a lot of posters weren't satisfied with the steps it took to get there. For example, they didn't like Callahan coming in and the move to the zone defense because they thought Houck was just as good. They didn't like taking fliers on guys like Ron Leary in CFA because they wanted to spend $60M in VFA on Carl Nicks. They didn't like the drafting of Frederick, or the hiring of Linehan in the first place. They've called the head coach a clown and a puppet and an idiot for years.

    I can't speak for anybody but myself in this case, but then to flip around in the middle of the most impressive 5 game winning streak in recent years to try to turn around and argue that they were right all along and that little or none of the success is of Jason Garrett's doing just comes off as disingenuous or phony. Cowardly even, maybe? It's really hard not to react to that. Honestly, to the extent that it can stay within the obvious guidelines and that it doesn't detract significantly from the topic of the thread, I have a hard time blaming them. Actually, I have a hard time not joining in.

    I'd agree, though, that it's not good karma for the long-standing positive posters to turn around at the first sign of really positive play and unleash a lot of emotional frustration at 'realists' right now. What goes around, comes around in the NFL, and there's going to be a lot of adversity still this season. Lots of opportunities for Jason to turn back into an idiot. And you can bet when that happens, we won't be talking about whether the offense is going through him or through Scott Linehan. It'll be obvious at that point that this is the HC's show, win or lose.
     
  18. rcaldw

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    Nice post and spot on. I just don't waste my time engaging it anymore. If we lose it will be Garrett, if we win it will be someone else. They will call it football knowledge. It's the farthest thing from it. Very few are honest enough just to admit they were wrong about something. I respect those folks.
     
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  19. Doomsday101

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    You nailed it. I have no issue with people being critical but for some to act like Garrett plays no part in the turn around to fit their own agenda is a bit much. If it was my call to make last season I would likely fired Jason because after 3 season we were still 8-8 and still missing post season. Jerry has stuck with Jason giving him this final year under contract and this team has responded. You bet Linehan and Marinnelli have played big parts and Jason has as well including the hiring of Linehan and the promoting of Marinnelli
     
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  20. TexasFrog

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    Doomsday, you are the closest poster I've seen to nailing what the reality of the situation is. Many wanted JG gone and there were actual fact based factors, as I've alluded to here, that led to this conclusion. His blueprint has not been followed to a T and every off season was filled with turnover and addition/subtractions that were more Jerry tinkering than blueprint. On top of it we were sitting in the same place. I've said it all along. I give JG full credit to having an IDEA of what he wanted and sticking to it. He has a hand in it. But the last 3 years were not perfectly planned. There wasn't a strategy like we saw in the early 90s where every year you could see a "step-up." This was a stew of people and ideas that came together and formed what we have now. That is all and it is great to be 5-1. The closest thing I can think regarding my feelings is the example I laid out right above regarding the house.
     

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