Garrett's agent and Jerry far apart on money?

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I'll play the speculation game: Jerry is waiting to see if Linehan and/or Marinelli leave. If they do, their replacement(s) may be an issue between JJ and JG. JJ might be willing to cede control over any replacement against JG's salary, and JG might be willing to take that deal. But they both have to wait to see what happens with those coordinators.
 

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It's interesting. Even without a cap to worry about, posters who don't like Jason Garrett still want him to get paid less. Why is that? He's taking money from Jerry in this situation, and there's a lot of overlap between posters who don't like Jason and who don't like Jerry. That would seem like a win-win.
It's probably because a big deal for Jason in some way validates that the guy actually is a good head coach. But that cow has already left the barn, hasn't it? It's a foregone conclusion that a fairly long extension is in the works. Jerry's going to make him the highest paid coach in the NFCE (you never know, but I think that's probably a safe bet given that Chip's deal is a couple years old at this point). I think that whole argument against JG has been put to bed, hasn't it?

I'd just like to see a good deal get done and the team on to securing the coordinators. Once that's done, I feel pretty good about our ability in VFA and in the draft to continue to find and develop young players. I think we're far from a shoe-in for front-running for a Super Bowl next season and beyond, but I do think we're looking at some salad days in terms of being competitive here. Young, with a good cap and very obvious needs to fill. Hard to mess it up. The biggest question hanging out there now is what we do to develop some players in the pipeline at the QB position.

My question to someone like you would be that having spent years telling others that all decisions are group decisions and Jerry is the devil who won't let Garrett have his way and having no inside knowledge, how do you know how much of what happened this year was because of Garrett and not Jerry or linehan or marinelli or the OL or a magical season by Murray or romo s best season ever ?

So when things wee going poorly it was everyone else's fault and poor Garrett was trying to navigate his way and the moment things come together (with a ton of new pieces) suddenly it was all because of Garrett ?
 

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Again, 3 year max and let him prove this wasn't just one great year. He can get an extension if the love continues. I know there is no cap on coaches but why break the bank if you don't have to.
 

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It's interesting. Even without a cap to worry about, posters who don't like Jason Garrett still want him to get paid less. Why is that? He's taking money from Jerry in this situation, and there's a lot of overlap between posters who don't like Jason and who don't like Jerry. That would seem like a win-win.
It's probably because a big deal for Jason in some way validates that the guy actually is a good head coach.

Exactly. Who cares how much Jerry pays him??? Pay him $10m a year for all I care. If he totally messes the bed (not my opinion but not impossible) then Jerry has to eat a huge coaching contract in a couple of years. Doesn't affect the player spending at all. Without the cap, I seriously doubt Jerry cares about the money he's paying his coaches. His team is probably worth $1 Billion more than a year ago and the playoffs netted him some serious cash. Would anyone in their right mind even consider changing the leadership of this team right now? No chance.

Not only that, but if you pay Garrett $7-8m, then you can all of a sudden give Marinelli and Linehan huge coordinator money. It makes it a lot easier to keep them if they might make more than some NFL head coaches. Who wants to go to Oakland or TB to make $3-4m when you can make that right here for a team with a heck of a lot better outlook.
 

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Again, 3 year max and let him prove this wasn't just one great year. He can get an extension if the love continues. I know there is no cap on coaches but why break the bank if you don't have to.
Right. It would be really sad if Jerry Jones ended up with a couple million less dollars in his pocket.
 

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On BSPN its said that Red's agent is asking for a lot more money than Rex Ryan got in Buffalo, which was 5.5 million per year. Who knows how true it is, but its out there.

Well, he was making close to 3 million a year as the assistant head coach under Wade.
 

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It's interesting. Even without a cap to worry about, posters who don't like Jason Garrett still want him to get paid less. Why is that? He's taking money from Jerry in this situation, and there's a lot of overlap between posters who don't like Jason and who don't like Jerry. That would seem like a win-win.
It's probably because a big deal for Jason in some way validates that the guy actually is a good head coach. But that cow has already left the barn, hasn't it? It's a foregone conclusion that a fairly long extension is in the works. Jerry's going to make him the highest paid coach in the NFCE (you never know, but I think that's probably a safe bet given that Chip's deal is a couple years old at this point). I think that whole argument against JG has been put to bed, hasn't it?

I'd just like to see a good deal get done and the team on to securing the coordinators. Once that's done, I feel pretty good about our ability in VFA and in the draft to continue to find and develop young players. I think we're far from a shoe-in for front-running for a Super Bowl next season and beyond, but I do think we're looking at some salad days in terms of being competitive here. Young, with a good cap and very obvious needs to fill. Hard to mess it up. The biggest question hanging out there now is what we do to develop some players in the pipeline at the QB position.


Speaking as someone who isn't sold on Garrett, more money probably makes it harder for Jerry to walk away from the deal if things go south.

I look at an organization like Denver, which is ready to blow it up after 3 straight playoff trips, including one Superbowl appearance. Not saying they are doing it the right way, or that everyone has to follow that model, but finally going 12-4 after three straight 8-8's isn't worthy of backing up the Brinks truck quite yet, IMO.
 

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Please do not compare Rex to Garrett. Garrett would struggle to get another HC gig as quick as Ryan did. Ryan always had less talent than Garrett and has done a lot more. He has gone to 2 AFC Championship Games with Sanchez. Garrett has not sniffed an NFC Championship Game with Romo as QB. Garrett is still in training while Ryan worked up the Ranks and was the DC of a Super Bowl Team. He had total control of the Baltimore Defense and succeeded. Garrett had total control of the Dallas Offense and never succeeded. I am in New Jersey and everybody in the Tri-State area (NJ-NY-PA) thinks Garrett is a joke. His nickname is Princeton Smart - Football Stupid. Garrett was paid very well for being in training as a Head Coach. Furthermore, Jerry made him the highest paid assistant coach even though Garrett did not deserve it. Personally, I would give him a 1-year Offer for $5M. He cannot be in a comfort zone because 8-8 is the comfort zone. If Garrett makes the playoffs and the team improves once again then he should get a 4 year extension otherwise Dallas has the option to go in a different direction after next season. Garrett must be judged by his body of work over the past 4 years not based on 1 year.
 

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My question to someone like you would be that having spent years telling others that all decisions are group decisions and Jerry is the devil who won't let Garrett have his way and having no inside knowledge, how do you know how much of what happened this year was because of Garrett and not Jerry or linehan or marinelli or the OL or a magical season by Murray or romo s best season ever ?

So when things wee going poorly it was everyone else's fault and poor Garrett was trying to navigate his way and the moment things come together (with a ton of new pieces) suddenly it was all because of Garrett ?

My easy answer to that is it's a mischaracterization of what I've ever thought. I've never thought Jerry was the devil or that Garrett was necessarily stymied in what he wanted to do. And I've never thought that Garrett hasn't made obvious mistakes. In fact, I've explicitly said the opposite on many, many occasions.

What I thought, and think, is that JG has been a very good guy to have in the tough position of building consensus in an organization that is run by a wildcard like Jerry Jones. Jerry's always been a mixed bag. He brings both huge positives and some huge negatives to the table. That's not easy for every coach to work around. But if you have a guy who can work with that alongside Stephen and the rest of the management, and if that guy is bring and organized and committed to culture and systematic, then you've got something you can potentially work with there that's the best-case scenario for this particular organization. As for the coaches and staff that works for Garrett, those guys are all below him in the org chart, so he gets credit for bringing them in and getting them to work together effectively on his watch.

You have to remember, visionary, that I've never agreed with you that things were going poorly since Garrett took over. I think he was doing a very big job slower than most of us expected, but that he's been consistently doing the right things. The nice thing about that perspective is--now that it's obvious to everybody that it actually is paying off--I don't have to pretend that it's happening by magic or because of the hiring of an assistant coach. To some of us, this is just the logical extension of doing things the right way over time. You should hope that we're right about that, too (we are), because that means we've actually got a workable formula here in Dallas going forward once the HC is extended. And we're going to need it, because we've still got a defense to build and a backup QB position to fill, and that's going to require a lot of work and more than a little luck.
 

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Speaking as someone who isn't sold on Garrett, more money probably makes it harder for Jerry to walk away from the deal if things go south.

I look at an organization like Denver, which is ready to blow it up after 3 straight playoff trips, including one Superbowl appearance. Not saying they are doing it the right way, or that everyone has to follow that model, but finally going 12-4 after three straight 8-8's isn't worthy of backing up the Brinks truck quite yet, IMO.

This actually makes sense as far as a reason not to want him extended. If you really don't think the coach is doing a good job. I was sort of thinking we were mostly past that, but that probably isn't the case quite yet.
 

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Please do not compare Rex to Garrett. Garrett would struggle to get another HC gig as quick as Ryan did. Ryan always had less talent than Garrett and has done a lot more. He has gone to 2 AFC Championship Games with Sanchez. Garrett has not sniffed an NFC Championship Game with Romo as QB. Garrett is still in training while Ryan worked up the Ranks and was the DC of a Super Bowl Team. He had total control of the Baltimore Defense and succeeded. Garrett had total control of the Dallas Offense and never succeeded. I am in New Jersey and everybody in the Tri-State area (NJ-NY-PA) thinks Garrett is a joke. His nickname is Princeton Smart - Football Stupid. Garrett was paid very well for being in training as a Head Coach. Furthermore, Jerry made him the highest paid assistant coach even though Garrett did not deserve it. Personally, I would give him a 1-year Offer for $5M. He cannot be in a comfort zone because 8-8 is the comfort zone. If Garrett makes the playoffs and the team improves once again then he should get a 4 year extension otherwise Dallas has the option to go in a different direction after next season. Garrett must be judged by his body of work over the past 4 years not based on 1 year.

Garrett would laugh at a one year deal and go get another job. When retreads like Jack Del Rio and John Fox are getting offers, Garrett could get another HC job in the NFL.
 

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Please do not compare Rex to Garrett. Garrett would struggle to get another HC gig as quick as Ryan did. Ryan always had less talent than Garrett and has done a lot more. He has gone to 2 AFC Championship Games with Sanchez. Garrett has not sniffed an NFC Championship Game with Romo as QB. Garrett is still in training while Ryan worked up the Ranks and was the DC of a Super Bowl Team. He had total control of the Baltimore Defense and succeeded. Garrett had total control of the Dallas Offense and never succeeded. I am in New Jersey and everybody in the Tri-State area (NJ-NY-PA) thinks Garrett is a joke. His nickname is Princeton Smart - Football Stupid. Garrett was paid very well for being in training as a Head Coach. Furthermore, Jerry made him the highest paid assistant coach even though Garrett did not deserve it. Personally, I would give him a 1-year Offer for $5M. He cannot be in a comfort zone because 8-8 is the comfort zone. If Garrett makes the playoffs and the team improves once again then he should get a 4 year extension otherwise Dallas has the option to go in a different direction after next season. Garrett must be judged by his body of work over the past 4 years not based on 1 year.

NJ - NY - PA huh? Lets see Garrett is 2-1 vs. the AFC from those states (Buf, NYJ, Pit). He's 6-3 against the great Tom Coughlin and he's 5-5 against The Eagles, which given the Cowboys record against them since the Triplets exited stage left, is pretty good. Princeton Smart - Football Stupid is 13-9 against those 3 states.

I don't know if Garrett will build on this season, my feeling is he will, but making the decision on the Head Football Coach of the Cowboys based on the opinion of the Tri State Area (and I'm a resident) probably isnt a sound business decision.
 

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Please do not compare Rex to Garrett. Garrett would struggle to get another HC gig as quick as Ryan did. Ryan always had less talent than Garrett and has done a lot more. He has gone to 2 AFC Championship Games with Sanchez. Garrett has not sniffed an NFC Championship Game with Romo as QB. Garrett is still in training while Ryan worked up the Ranks and was the DC of a Super Bowl Team. He had total control of the Baltimore Defense and succeeded. Garrett had total control of the Dallas Offense and never succeeded. I am in New Jersey and everybody in the Tri-State area (NJ-NY-PA) thinks Garrett is a joke. His nickname is Princeton Smart - Football Stupid. Garrett was paid very well for being in training as a Head Coach. Furthermore, Jerry made him the highest paid assistant coach even though Garrett did not deserve it. Personally, I would give him a 1-year Offer for $5M. He cannot be in a comfort zone because 8-8 is the comfort zone. If Garrett makes the playoffs and the team improves once again then he should get a 4 year extension otherwise Dallas has the option to go in a different direction after next season. Garrett must be judged by his body of work over the past 4 years not based on 1 year.

I'd take that bet.
 

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NJ - NY - PA huh? Lets see Garrett is 2-1 vs. the AFC from those states (Buf, NYJ, Pit). He's 6-3 against the great Tom Coughlin and he's 5-5 against The Eagles, which given the Cowboys record against them since the Triplets exited stage left, is pretty good. Princeton Smart - Football Stupid is 13-9 against those 3 states.

I don't know if Garrett will build on this season, my feeling is he will, but making the decision on the Head Football Coach of the Cowboys based on the opinion of the Tri State Area (and I'm a resident) probably isnt a sound business decision.

Coughlin has 2 Super Bowl Trophies as Head Coach with crappy ELI and Garrett has ZERO Trophies as an Assistant and Head Coach with a true Franchise QB. I hate Coughlin but Super Bowl Trophies signifies a Team's success not games against division foes. Garrett may have won a few battles but he has not won a War.
 

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Coughlin has 2 Super Bowl Trophies as Head Coach with crappy ELI and Garrett has ZERO Trophies as an Assistant and Head Coach with a true Franchise QB. I hate Coughlin but Super Bowl Trophies signifies a Team's success not games against division foes. Garrett may have won a few battles but he has not won a War.

Eli's a good QB. We may not like him as Cowboy fans, but you don't win 2 SB's with a crappy QB. Eli's had more good years than bad.
 

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Coughlin has 2 Super Bowl Trophies as Head Coach with crappy ELI and Garrett has ZERO Trophies as an Assistant and Head Coach with a true Franchise QB. I hate Coughlin but Super Bowl Trophies signifies a Team's success not games against division foes. Garrett may have won a few battles but he has not won a War.

Fair point. Coughlin won a SB in what, his 11th year as Head Coach? Garrett's 20 years younger. He's been a Head Coach for 4.5 years. I look at some of these yocals getting a Head Coaching job, and I'd bet he'd get one if he was a free agent. He's a young guy, a good coach, it remains to be seen if he can be great. I'm willing to wait and see and find out. Plus, he gets bonus points for the owner situation. Howie Long called being the Head Coach and QB for the Cowboys, the 2 toughest jobs in the NFL.
 

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Eli's a good QB. We may not like him as Cowboy fans, but you don't win 2 SB's with a crappy QB. Eli's had more good years than bad.

Eli is good but I hate the Giants and the Manning brothers so I like to call Eli crappy. But if you had a choice between Romo and Eli, then it is not even a contest. I would take Romo every day of the week and twice on Sunday.
 
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