Get Off TNew

[AdamJT13]

If people are posting this negative stuff after a road win over a 12-4 team when he allowed three catches for 40 yards or whatever, there's no hope, because there are going to be games where he gets beat for a lot more than that -- just like all corners.

I'm really perplexed at the disdain some people have for #41. If he really looked like he couldn't play at all, I could see it. If he were a rotten SOB who was in constant trouble with the law, I could see it. If he were a cocky attention ***** who embarrassed the team with his antics, I could see it.

But the truth is, he's none of the above.

Seriously, where does this stuff come from? Is it some kind of fantasy football influence? Is it genuinely unrealistic expectations? Is it just people who like to stir stuff up?

I don't know, but it's a strange phenomenon...

Even the media fall into that trap. During the offseason, JFE wrote that Newman struggled against Terrell Owens last year -- when, in fact, Owens never had a single catch when Newman was covering him in either game last year. (His only catch anywhere near Newman was the 15-yard TD against Tony Dixon, when Newman left his zone to try to defend the pass.) And yesterday, Matt Mosley wrote that the Chargers avoided Henry and picked on Newman, when the opposite was true. It's like they don't even pay attention during games.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Even the media fall into that trap. During the offseason, JFE wrote that Newman struggled against Terrell Owens last year -- when, in fact, Owens never had a single catch when Newman was covering him in either game last year. (His only catch anywhere near Newman was the 15-yard TD against Tony Dixon, when Newman left his zone to try to defend the pass.) And yesterday, Matt Mosley wrote that the Chargers avoided Henry and picked on Newman, when the opposite was true. It's like they don't even pay attention during games.

Mediots.

 

[BlueStar22]

Well, if Dante Hall didn't lay down the blueprint for TO tonite....

 

[InmanRoshi]

Yeah, TO only had 7 catches for 122 yards, and dropped several others that would have gone for another 50+ yards, yet Hall supposedly did an amazing job.

I think Newman's problem is that he doesn't trash talk enough to draw attention to himself like Hall.

 

[Hiero]

without any pass rush at all last year and a new rule which gives another advantage to WR's, Newman did pretty good. He's made more than enough plays, and still has many years left to play.

 

[AdamJT13]

Yeah, TO only had 7 catches for 122 yards, and dropped several others that would have gone for another 50+ yards, yet Hall supposedly did an amazing job.

I think Newman's problem is that he doesn't trash talk enough to draw attention to himself like Hall.

I was about to post the same thing. Hall got abused tonight, but he talks trash after making a couple of plays, and Al and John think he played great.

 

[Hostile]

I was about to post the same thing. Hall got abused tonight, but he talks trash after making a couple of plays, and Al and John think he played great.

I couldn't believe they put him on the horse trailer. For what? Not getting beat worse?

 

[Hiero]

hes on the horse trailer for intercepting one of donovan's many many badly thrown passes that he had tonight.

 

[ddh33]

I like the way Hall plays. I think he's a tough-minded kid. But I would still rather have T.Newman than any young corner in the league.

 

[Hiero]

granted that T.O. is basically unstoppable what D. Hall did was solid, he intercepted a poorly thrown ball, and didnt allow him to make most of the big TD plays. Not really horse trailer worthy, but most people wouldnt do much better than that.

 

[AbeBeta]

granted that T.O. is basically unstoppable what D. Hall did was solid, he intercepted a poorly thrown ball, and didnt allow him to make most of the big TD plays. Not really horse trailer worthy, but most people wouldnt do much better than that.

The only one stopping T.O. tonight was T.O.

Hall's return was pretty sweet though - he's a talent. Not a T.O. stopping talent but a good one.

 

[TheDuke]

If people are posting this negative stuff after a road win over a 12-4 team when he allowed three catches for 40 yards or whatever, there's no hope, because there are going to be games where he gets beat for a lot more than that -- just like all corners.

I'm really perplexed at the disdain some people have for #41. If he really looked like he couldn't play at all, I could see it. If he were a rotten SOB who was in constant trouble with the law, I could see it. If he were a cocky attention ***** who embarrassed the team with his antics, I could see it.

But the truth is, he's none of the above.

Seriously, where does this stuff come from? Is it some kind of fantasy football influence? Is it genuinely unrealistic expectations? Is it just people who like to stir stuff up?

I don't know, but it's a strange phenomenon...

very well said.....

 

[BHendri5]

Eight interceptions in his first two seasons -- with very little pass rush to create bad throws -- is saying something.

Deion also had eight interceptions in his first two seasons. Ty Law and Dre Bly each had six, Rod Woodson had five, Patrick Surtain had four, Ronde Barber had two, Aaron Glenn had one. Eight compares favorably with almost every Pro Bowl cornerback in the past 10 years.

He had 4 his rookie year and 4 his second season, now we all know for a fact that he has at least 3 Ints that were thrown right to him by the skins QBs, so he did not take it away, all he had to do was just not drop the ball, in fact it looked like he was the receiver. another 2 I can remember came off of tips that should have been caught by Dat, and one by coakley, so that leaves maybe 3 that he legitimately took away with good coverage.

Don't act like he has been all world at CB, he has been the opposite. I mean if he had BP would not have said that Henry is the CB he has had as the coach.

TNew was getting torched last season, hurt or not teams were playing pass and catch on him last season.

He can do it, we are just waiting for him to turn the corner. I would not be against drafting another CB and moving him to FS next season, or drafting another corner and moving Henry to FS.

Maybe we could switch Tnew and Davis, naaah, could Davis make a good CB, he likes to be in the thick of things.

Davis had to make sure nothing is moving down field trying to get behind him before he comes up field.

FS's first step should be backwards, until he can make out what is going on. The SS first step use to be backwards to back in the day, now days they come full steam toward the line of scrimmage.

Tnew has a great deal of talent, but he has not truned that corner yet, basically the jury is still out, I do not think we can rightly compare him to those others just yet.

 

[AdamJT13]

He had 4 his rookie year and 4 his second season, now we all know for a fact that he has at least 3 Ints that were thrown right to him by the skins QBs, so he did not take it away, all he had to do was just not drop the ball, in fact it looked like he was the receiver. another 2 I can remember came off of tips that should have been caught by Dat, and one by coakley, so that leaves maybe 3 that he legitimately took away with good coverage.

Oh, brother. Of Newman's eight career interceptions, only one was thrown "right to him," and only one was tipped (by Woodson, not Nguyen or Coakley, so you probably shouldn't trust what you think you "remember," because they never happened). Both the tipped ball and the bad pass came in the game against Washington when he had three picks. But let's make sure we don't include either of those among his totals, since we know he's the only cornerback who has ever had a pass thrown right to him or caught a tipped pass.

On Newman's six other interceptions, he had great coverage and made great plays. (He had great coverage on the tipped pass, too, which is why he was in position to catch it instead of Darnerian McCants catching it. Newman had already jumped the crossing route.)

 

[SilverStarCowboy]

Oh, brother. Of Newman's eight career interceptions, only one was thrown "right to him," and only one was tipped (by Woodson, not Nguyen or Coakley, so you probably shouldn't trust what you think you "remember," because they never happened). Both the tipped ball and the bad pass came in the game against Washington when he had three picks. But let's make sure we don't include either of those among his totals, since we know he's the only cornerback who has ever had a pass thrown right to him or caught a tipped pass.

On Newman's six other interceptions, he had great coverage and made great plays. (He had great coverage on the tipped pass, too, which is why he was in position to catch it instead of Darnerian McCants catching it. Newman had already jumped the crossing route.)

Three of those were in one game against a 3rd string Hassellback, though I think Newman is a very nice but potential shut-down corner.

 

[BHendri5]

Oh, brother. Of Newman's eight career interceptions, only one was thrown "right to him," and only one was tipped (by Woodson, not Nguyen or Coakley, so you probably shouldn't trust what you think you "remember," because they never happened). Both the tipped ball and the bad pass came in the game against Washington when he had three picks. But let's make sure we don't include either of those among his totals, since we know he's the only cornerback who has ever had a pass thrown right to him or caught a tipped pass.

On Newman's six other interceptions, he had great coverage and made great plays. (He had great coverage on the tipped pass, too, which is why he was in position to catch it instead of Darnerian McCants catching it. Newman had already jumped the crossing route.)

Yeah, right. I trust my memory more than I trust you and your stats.
All I'm saying is Newman is not as good as you , your stats and others try and make it seem like.

Once again he has the talent to be, but he has not made it yet. Henry is by far better than he, even Glenn at his age is still better.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Three of those were in one game against a 3rd string Hassellback, though I think Newman is a very nice but potential shut-down corner.

Let me guess, there are so many great QB's in the league today that all the other great CB's in the league all got their INTs against top QB competition. While we're at it, how many of Dwight Freeney's sacks last year were against good OT's? How many of Moss' receptions came in garbage time? Or is INT the only stat that's qualified and asterisked?

Again, people don't even know what shutdown CB means. Its a make believe word that really has no meaning. Its whatever make believe standard they conjure up in their brain, whether it even applies to real life or not. When people do try to define the position and evaluate it with some degree of objectivity they are dismissed by people who "saw what they saw". See above.

 

[AdamJT13]

Yeah, right. I trust my memory more than I trust you and your stats.

And there goes any credibility you ever had. Anyone with tapes of our games from the past two years can see for themselves and know that your memory is flat wrong.

Newman's first career interception came with 2:00 left in the second quarter of our 35-32 win over the Giants in 2003. He leaped in front of Shockey on a pass down the right sideline.

Newman's second interception came with 7:45 left in the second quarter of our 27-0 win over Washington in 2003. He blanketed Coles down the right sideline and picked off the pass.

Newman's third interception came with 2:23 left in the second quarter of the same game. He was in zone coverage and caught a ball thrown too high to Rock Cartwright.

Newman's fourth interception came with 0:18 left in the third quarter of the same game. He cut in front of Darnerian McCants on a crossing route and caught a pass tipped into the air by Darren Woodson, who was blitzing.

Newman's fifth interception came with 5:39 left in the fourth quarter of our 19-12 win over Cleveland last year. He jumped the slant route by Quincy Morgan and picked off the pass.

Newman's sixth interception came with 11:00 left in the fourth quarter of our 21-7 win over Chicago last year. He blanketed David Terrell down the left sideline and picked off the pass.

Newman's seventh interception came with 13:07 left in the third quarter of our 12-7 loss to Philadelphia last year. He blanketed Greg Lewis down the right sideline and picked off the pass.

Newman's eighth interception came with 8:18 left in the second quarter of our 13-10 over Washington last year. He jumped the deep hitch by Laveranues Coles and picked off the pass.

If you have the tapes, watch them for yourself. I did before my last post. You obviously didn't, or you'd realize that your memory is wrong.

All I'm saying is Newman is not as good as you, your stats and others try and make it seem like.

And all I'm saying is that Newman is much better than you and other fans who think they "remember Newman getting beaten a couple of times by somebody in that one game" claim he is. Anyone who watches closely or analyzes games and/or players knows how good he is.

The NFL coaches and players made him a Pro Bowl alternate as a rookie. ESPN's Scouts, Inc., rated him No. 8 in the league last year. Pro Football Weekly consulted NFL scouts for its rankings and put Newman 13th this year. The Sporting News' War Room scouts put Newman 14th this year. K.C. Joyner, the "Football Scientist" who charts every play of every game, said his stats LAST YEAR were "excellent" -- in the top 10 in many categories.

But you'd rather rely on your "memory" of two plays that actually never happened.

Good luck with that. And good luck with trying to restore your credibility.

 

[Smith22]

OUCH!

 

[dbair1967]

Well, if Dante Hall didn't lay down the blueprint for TO tonite....

blueprint for what? how to get beat like a drum?

quit drinking the madden koolaid...

David