Get the tin foil hats out

DFWJC · Oct 20, 2013

links18 said:
Funny, I read in another thread that Romo was lucky the refs gave him the game. Which one is it?

Really?
I guess nothing should surprise me anymore.

Muhast · Oct 21, 2013

One penalty that made me mad( but fortunately didnt matter b/c the pass was incomplete) was the formation penalty saying that Tyron wasn't lined up on the line. I immediately rewind the game to watch, and sure enough he is EXACTLY even with Waters,Leary and Free.

Muhast · Oct 21, 2013

The obvious helmet to helmet hit on Dez by Wolff was pretty obvious. How do you miss that? And the PI in the end zone, the ref looking right at the play(maybe 5 yards or less away) doesn't call anything. Fortunately the back of the end zone official called it.

Zman5 · Oct 21, 2013

The refs were probably afraid of getting pelted with batteries by Philly fans.

TimHortons · Oct 21, 2013

DFWJC said:
Really?
I guess nothing should surprise me anymore.

No it was a completely sarcastic post saying Romo got lucky, he wasn't actually serious. Although I could see someone seriously saying that at some point lol

Beast_from_East · Oct 21, 2013

Yep, it cant be by accident that we get screwed every freaking week.

You would think Jerry or Steven would call up the commish and have a little talk about this crap. I guess they dont want to rock the boat or they are scared if they speak up, it will be 10 times worse next game.

CanadianCowboysFan · Oct 21, 2013

theebs said:
Officiating was horrendous.

Romo getting jumped on 3 seconds after being Marked down was comical.

But hey if we can't get an obvious horse collar against Denver in clutch time at home we are never going to get any.

that stood out for me as well

Eagles always seem to "fall" on a guy that is down when they play us.

If that were Brady or Manning, or Brees, no way that isn't called a late hit

Hoofbite · Oct 21, 2013

theebs said:
How dare cowboys fans point out obvious non calls

Shame on us. We should all keep it real so we can fit into the little club.

Officiating is and has been a league-wide problem. If there's any sort of club it'd be the one where people believe that Dallas gets screwed just about every single week.

The officiating stunk today. I didn't care for it and I don't buy into the conspiracy at all.

Today it was awful. Has it been awful every week? No, but just about every week it seems there's a thread about how Dallas is getting abused by the officials.

Drew Brees timeout last week was awful. If you call timeout before the snap, it should be a timeout. Blow the play dead. It's not like the play continues if the HC calls the timeout from the sideline but the ball is snapped just before the official can react and blow his whistle. That'd just about eliminate all the crap about calling timeout just before a FG attempt.

Speaking of FGs, saw a couple of interesting things on FGs today. New England was penalized for what appears to be a new rule about pushing down linemen from behind on the FG blocking unit. Bill B said that he was aware of the rule but that league information had specified the player to NOT be on the line of scrimmage and the Patriot who was called for the penalty clearly was on the line of scrimmage.

Here's a Twitter pic someone took of the press release. It's a picture because after Belichick mentioned it, "not on the line of scrimmage at the snap" has supposedly beed edited out of the rule.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/BXDmmSGCUAEnjP-.jpg:large

Granted, this was a picture of the press release so that's not an excuse for not knowing the actual rulebook. However, when they released their rule changes examples in video form at NFL.com, every highlighted example was of a defender not on the line of scrimmage, stacked behind a guy on the line and immediately bull rushing into him at the snap.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap2000000227096/2013-NFL-rule-changes

Starts around 4:00 mark if anyone cares.

The end result was a 15 yard penalty on a missed kick in overtime. Re-kick was good.

In the Denver game when Denver was trying to kick a FG at the end, the officials flat out stopped the play from being ran until the Colts were allowed to substitute, killing a good bit of time on the clock that could have been crucial with an onside kick recover. Jack Del Rio was pissed and he had every right to be. What if there were 15 seconds on the clock after the 3rd down play instead of 30 (or whatever). Kicking team dashes onto the field and lines up with 5 seconds left only to have an official stop the game and wait for a defensive substitution. Clock runs out of time as the official is waiting and the kicking team never even had a chance to snap the ball? Who's even heard of such stuff. Quick glance at the rulebook excludes the time inside of 2 minutes from this rule unless it's a punt, I guess.

The Denver situation is flat out unacceptable. That rule has probably been in place forever about being inside 2 minutes. The New England situation is unacceptable not because of the call itself being bad but because the league can't even provide clear examples to the teams and release descriptions of the rules that are inaccurate. Bill is still to blame for not knowing the rule by the letter in the book. This literally shows how defunct officiation is starting from the top. They can't even communicate the rules to the teams in a clear cut manner so many of the officials don't even know the rules as they enforce them. Multiple rules are open for interpretation and it's pretty much a crap shoot if a flag will be thrown depending on who's out there.

They suck from the top to the bottom and across the board. The real problem is, last season clearly demonstrated that officiating isn't as easy as it seems when watching slow-mo replays, multiple camera angles and various other aspects that the guys on the field don't have access to. The replacements were absolutely some of the worst officiating crews to ever set foot on a field at a professional sporting event. The regulars are far and away better than these guys. I didn't think there'd be much of a difference but it was blatant at times and nearly criminal at others.

The system sucks but it's the best they can do. It's only going to get worse as more and more vague rules get added to the mix. Part-timers doing a job they clearly are not sure about at times and making completely different calls on almost identical plays on a week to week basis.

Just a guess but I would guess if you watched every Dallas game but maybe one or two other random games per week you'd probably be able to count a hell of a lot more bad calls against Dallas than you will for another team out there. In addition to that, you'll remember them more simply based on the emotional investment.

I was serious when I was asking why nothing has been done by Jerry about it. If there's any owner in the league who could actually make something of an actual conspiracy against his team it would be the guy with the biggest contribution to the coffers. I was more interested in what others would say because I think the reason is because he doesn't believe in a conspiracy.

I would bet anything owners have had discussions about the officiating. I would also bet that every owner has a list of horrid calls and that the calls on any person's list are just as valid as the list belonging to the guy sitting next him.

It is what is is. A horrible system, implementing a confusing rulebook, interpreted differently between officiating crews. Most of the time they do a good enough job to avoid the type of criticism that comes with making a call that really hurts one team or the other but sometimes they don't. Sometimes it happens to your favorite team's opposition and sometimes it happens to your favorite team.

Don Corleone · Oct 21, 2013

You guys are kidding yourselves if you don't think these officials get a memo from the commish before each game on which team to bias.

theebs · Oct 21, 2013

Hoofbite said:
Officiating is and has been a league-wide problem. If there's any sort of club it'd be the one where people believe that Dallas gets screwed just about every single week.

The officiating stunk today. I didn't care for it and I don't buy into the conspiracy at all.

Today it was awful. Has it been awful every week? No, but just about every week it seems there's a thread about how Dallas is getting abused by the officials.

Drew Brees timeout last week was awful. If you call timeout before the snap, it should be a timeout. Blow the play dead. It's not like the play continues if the HC calls the timeout from the sideline but the ball is snapped just before the official can react and blow his whistle. That'd just about eliminate all the crap about calling timeout just before a FG attempt.

Speaking of FGs, saw a couple of interesting things on FGs today. New England was penalized for what appears to be a new rule about pushing down linemen from behind on the FG blocking unit. Bill B said that he was aware of the rule but that league information had specified the player to NOT be on the line of scrimmage and the Patriot who was called for the penalty clearly was on the line of scrimmage.

Here's a Twitter pic someone took of the press release. It's a picture because after Belichick mentioned it, "not on the line of scrimmage at the snap" has supposedly beed edited out of the rule.

Granted, this was a picture of the press release so that's not an excuse for not knowing the actual rulebook. However, when they released their rule changes examples in video form at NFL.com, every highlighted example was of a defender not on the line of scrimmage, stacked behind a guy on the line and immediately bull rushing into him at the snap.

http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-videos/0ap2000000227096/2013-NFL-rule-changes

Starts around 4:00 mark if anyone cares.

The end result was a 15 yard penalty on a missed kick in overtime. Re-kick was good.

In the Denver game when Denver was trying to kick a FG at the end, the officials flat out stopped the play from being ran until the Colts were allowed to substitute, killing a good bit of time on the clock that could have been crucial with an onside kick recover. Jack Del Rio was pissed and he had every right to be. What if there were 15 seconds on the clock after the 3rd down play instead of 30 (or whatever). Kicking team dashes onto the field and lines up with 5 seconds left only to have an official stop the game and wait for a defensive substitution. Clock runs out of time as the official is waiting and the kicking team never even had a chance to snap the ball? Who's even heard of such stuff. Quick glance at the rulebook excludes the time inside of 2 minutes from this rule unless it's a punt, I guess.

The Denver situation is flat out unacceptable. That rule has probably been in place forever about being inside 2 minutes. The New England situation is unacceptable not because of the call itself being bad but because the league can't even provide clear examples to the teams and release descriptions of the rules that are inaccurate. Bill is still to blame for not knowing the rule by the letter in the book. This literally shows how defunct officiation is starting from the top. They can't even communicate the rules to the teams in a clear cut manner so many of the officials don't even know the rules as they enforce them. Multiple rules are open for interpretation and it's pretty much a crap shoot if a flag will be thrown depending on who's out there.

They suck from the top to the bottom and across the board. The real problem is, last season clearly demonstrated that officiating isn't as easy as it seems when watching slow-mo replays, multiple camera angles and various other aspects that the guys on the field don't have access to. The replacements were absolutely some of the worst officiating crews to ever set foot on a field at a professional sporting event. The regulars are far and away better than these guys. I didn't think there'd be much of a difference but it was blatant at times and nearly criminal at others.

The system sucks but it's the best they can do. It's only going to get worse as more and more vague rules get added to the mix. Part-timers doing a job they clearly are not sure about at times and making completely different calls on almost identical plays on a week to week basis.

Just a guess but I would guess if you watched every Dallas game but maybe one or two other random games per week you'd probably be able to count a hell of a lot more bad calls against Dallas than you will for another team out there. In addition to that, you'll remember them more simply based on the emotional investment.

I was serious when I was asking why nothing has been done by Jerry about it. If there's any owner in the league who could actually make something of an actual conspiracy against his team it would be the guy with the biggest contribution to the coffers. I was more interested in what others would say because I think the reason is because he doesn't believe in a conspiracy.

I would bet anything owners have had discussions about the officiating. I would also bet that every owner has a list of horrid calls and that the calls on any person's list are just as valid as the list belonging to the guy sitting next him.

It is what is is. A horrible system, implementing a confusing rulebook, interpreted differently between officiating crews. Most of the time they do a good enough job to avoid the type of criticism that comes with making a call that really hurts one team or the other but sometimes they don't. Sometimes it happens to your favorite team's opposition and sometimes it happens to your favorite team.

Tl/dr

BubbleScreen · Oct 21, 2013

Don Corleone said:
You guys are kidding yourselves if you don't think these officials get a memo from the commish before each game on which team to bias.

That's impossible. Those would have leaked to the internet.

unionjack8 · Oct 21, 2013

Don Corleone said:
You guys are kidding yourselves if you don't think these officials get a memo from the commish before each game on which team to bias.

You cannot be serious.

bayeslife · Oct 21, 2013

theebs said:
Tl/dr

tl:dr, Hoofbite agrees that the refs suck and tend to make more bad calls against the Cowboys

CanadianCowboysFan · Oct 21, 2013

iceberg said:
i kinda thought it was going to be "one of those days" when one of the eagles kicked the ball and it should have either been delay of game OR unsportsmanlike conduct.

how the hell do you miss that?

true, I said right away, that's a penalty but no call.

BrAinPaiNt · Oct 21, 2013

Terrible officiating...100% agree

Some conspiracy bias against the boys to make sure they lose games...put away the tin foil hats.

Ren · Oct 21, 2013

I've never been one to blame the refs or believe there's any bias but yesterday was shocking

fanfromvirginia · Oct 21, 2013

Corso said:
Ironic that this thread was started by "Blindzebra", by the by.

Or the opposite of ironic.

But point taken.

Crown Royal · Oct 21, 2013

I think it was bad officiating, but I don't think it is Cowboys bias. I just think it was bad officiating.

the_h0wey · Oct 21, 2013

links18 said:
Funny, I read in another thread that Romo was lucky the refs gave him the game. Which one is it?

I thought the game was overall just officiated poorly. Bad for both teams.

AbeBeta · Oct 21, 2013

dwarecwby311 said:
3 worst calls of the game:
1. Dez catch in last 2 minutes of half. Coaches can't challenge but Garrett could've called a timeout and pleaded for a review.

Always back to Garrett being wrong.

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