Getting Pacman Jones will advance our team 2 maybe 3 years.

[NeonNinja]

When Spencer played he looked pretty good to me and I think he's going to be a monster.

 

[DallasEast]

I still believe 5 is a viable mark that can be obtained. Also the Chargers team lost Wade Phillips and their numbers went down at almost every position in their front 7

Since your being stat man mind throwing out the amount of tackles each fo these players had.

Tackles & 3-4 defensive ends in ’07 (DE’s with 5 or more sacks are highlighted in red):

Baltimore Ravens
41, Dwan Edwards
63, Haloti Ngata

Cleveland Browns
37, Orpheus Roye
56, Robaire Smith

Dallas Cowboys
30, Marcus Spears
43, Chris Canty

New England Patriots
53, Ty Warren
EDIT: 40, Richard Seymour (’06 stats/injured for much of last season)

New York Jets
49, Shaun Ellis
83, Kenyon Coleman

Pittsburgh Steelers
39, Brett Keisel
EDIT: 61, Aaron Smith ('06 stats/injured during last season)

San Diego Chargers
49, Igor Olshansky
33, Luis Castillo

San Francisco 49ers
35, Bryant Young
71, Marques Douglas

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Tackles & 3-4 defensive ends in ’07 (DE’s with 5 or more sacks are highlighted in red):

Baltimore Ravens
41, Dwan Edwards
63, Haloti Ngata

Cleveland Browns
37, Orpheus Roye
56, Robaire Smith

Dallas Cowboys
30, Marcus Spears
43, Chris Canty

New England Patriots
53, Ty Warren
EDIT: 40, Richard Seymour (’06 stats/injured for much of last season)

New York Jets
49, Shaun Ellis
83, Kenyon Coleman

Pittsburgh Steelers
39, Brett Keisel
EDIT: 61, Aaron Smith ('06 stats/injured during last season)

San Diego Chargers
49, Igor Olshansky
33, Luis Castillo

San Francisco 49ers
35, Bryant Young
71, Marques Douglas

Thank you stat man. It seems as if one the person with the most sacks has the least tackles i don't know if they is a correlation between the two however it is interesting.

This is the last stat i will ask you for can you post Jason Hatches. Then i still want people to explain to me how Spears isn't trash. I think we need a lot more production from him consider he was a 1st round pick out of LSU

 

[DallasEast]

Thank you stat man. It seems as if one the person with the most sacks has the least tackles i don't know if they is a correlation between the two however it is interesting.

This is the last stat i will ask you for can you post Jason Hatches. Then i still want people to explain to me how Spears isn't trash. I think we need a lot more production from him consider he was a 1st round pick out of LSU

www.nfl.com

Happy stat hunting, oh expert of the 3-4 defense and good night.

 

[Dallas]

www.nfl.com

Happy stat hunting, oh expert of the 3-4 defense and good night.

Well said.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

www.nfl.com

Happy stat hunting, oh expert of the 3-4 defense and good night.

:laugh2:

lol i know i was pushing my luck with the Hatcher stats but i just figured since you started posting stats why not continue to ask you for them. I'm not an expert of the 3-4 nor do i claim to be i just make conclusions based of the stats

 

[LatinMind]

im starting to think maybe dallas trading for pacman leads to other trades.

there really isnt a lead wr in this draft. hell there isnt even a dwayne bowe. so im thinking maybe dallas trades one of its firsts for a guy like roy williams, and who knows they could even probably trade out of their other 1st with a team like atlanta who has 2 top 2d round picks.

just some scenarios. to m this is starting to look like a weak draft for dallas needs. if they can come up with a 24 yr old top cb, and a 26 yr old top wr. ill be more then happy.

 

[JonCJG]

From another board I frequent....

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/2_1024_Off._Hog_Index.html

http://www.coldhardfootballfacts.com/Articles/2_1135_Def._Hog_Index.html

Posted for no reason.

 

[CrazyCowboy]

guess all this pacman talk may be premature......we want him cheap and the titans don't want to just give the player away

 

[TheSkaven]

Getting Pacman more than offsets for Bobby Carpenter and maybe even Anthony Spencer being busts. We have to do better in this years first round. Other than Ware, we haven't been hitting it.

You did not just call Spencer a bust!



I am at a loss for words, you've got to be kidding me... !

 

[zeromaster]

Getting Pacman more than offsets for Bobby Carpenter and maybe even Anthony Spencer being busts. We have to do better in this years first round. Other than Ware, we haven't been hitting it.

not saying he is a bust yet, just saying he hasnt done anything

Nice tap-dancing. Let us know when you decide which it is.

He played fine when Ellis wasn't available, especially considering where he was picked and the system he had to learn. Perhaps you have unrealistic expectations on draft picks.

 

[Romo2Dez4six]

When Spencer played he looked pretty good to me and I think he's going to be a monster.

i agree him and Ware are going to be dangerous

 

[JonJon]

Spears is trash i think its ludicris for people to see its a pass happy league but want to have a DE that can't get any pressure on the QB.

We already have 3 good pass rushing DE's. Their names are Ware, Ellis, and Spencers, and they play OLB in the 3-4...

 

[tomson75]

We already have 3 good pass rushing DE's. Their names are Ware, Ellis, and Spears, and they play OLB in the 3-4...

I think you mean Spencer.

 

[Vintage]

Hatcher had 27 tackles and 2 sacks.

 

[jobberone]

im starting to think maybe dallas trading for pacman leads to other trades.

there really isnt a lead wr in this draft. hell there isnt even a dwayne bowe. so im thinking maybe dallas trades one of its firsts for a guy like roy williams, and who knows they could even probably trade out of their other 1st with a team like atlanta who has 2 top 2d round picks.

just some scenarios. to m this is starting to look like a weak draft for dallas needs. if they can come up with a 24 yr old top cb, and a 26 yr old top wr. ill be more then happy.

I don't think so. This is a decent draft and there are plenty of good CBs, RBs, and WRs. The problem is we are drafting late which could cost a shot at one of the top CBs and RBs. If you are talking about getting a Rogers- Cromartie or a Chris Johnson then you are right. There are plenty of solid players from 20-60+. We should be able to get a quality CB who can push for playing time and definitely injury time. We should be able to get either a complementary RB to MB or a backup RB in the first two rounds. There are plenty of solid WRs who could fill in as well.

It is going to be a feat for a rookie to start on this team. If you are thinking otherwise you are in for a rude awakening. Cromartie could probably start as a third CB but I'm hoping that position is about wrapped up.

Pacman will make a huge difference in Dallas' flexibility in the first two rounds and could help us perhaps trade up to get a starting quality RB.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Hatcher had 27 tackles and 2 sacks.

Only three less tackles and he's our back up. Spears doesn't look to good he is taking up space and hurting the cap. Supposed to be strong against the run but has the less amount of tackles out of all DE's in the 3-4. Its time for people to wake up and realize what spears is he is trash and he needs to go.

We already have 3 good pass rushing DE's. Their names are Ware, Ellis, and Spencers, and they play OLB in the 3-4...

hahaa cute however i want to see Ware drop back and be able to make plays in coverage and when we need to rush him we do. I think just only being able to get pressure of the corners from our LB is another weakness we have.

 

[DallasEast]

:laugh2:

lol i know i was pushing my luck with the Hatcher stats but i just figured since you started posting stats why not continue to ask you for them. I'm not an expert of the 3-4 nor do i claim to be i just make conclusions based of the stats

Hatcher had 27 tackles and 2 sacks.

Only three less tackles and he's our back up. Spears doesn't look to good he is taking up space and hurting the cap. Supposed to be strong against the run but has the less amount of tackles out of all DE's in the 3-4. Its time for people to wake up and realize what spears is he is trash and he needs to go.

In the six hours after I provided the link to nfl.com, you never tried to find Hatcher's stats yourself? You just decided to wait six hours for someone else to post them for you?

wow.

I agree that Spears can improve his game in shielding linebackers from blockers. Those are the primary responsibilities for good defensive ends and nose tackle in a 3-4 defensive scheme against the pass. In other words, they allow the linebackers to make plays pressuring the quarterback.

If the right tackle are completely occupied with Spears, it increases the opportunity of Greg Ellis or Anthony Spencer being one-on-one with a tight end in blitz situations. Advantage: Dallas.

If the right tackle AND guard are tied up blocking Spears, it increases the chances of Bradie James or the inside linebacker having a running back between him and the quarterback--or nobody protecting the quarterback at all for inside stunts and blitzes. Advantage: Dallas.

A good 3-4 defensive end is also good in run support. Spears is good in run support. A great 3-4 defensive end is also great in run support and a high tackle count usually supports that view. Spears has work to do in that area.

Sacks or quarterback pressures from 4-3 defensive ends are essential. Sacks or quarterback pressures from a 3-4 defensive end are just gravy. That's the difference between the two.

hahaa cute however i want to see Ware drop back and be able to make plays in coverage and when we need to rush him we do. I think just only being able to get pressure of the corners from our LB is another weakness we have.

You want one of the best outside linebackers in the entire league dropping back into coverage? You don't want him blitzing the quarterback? Plus, you believe that pressure from the edges from our linebackers is a weakness in our 3-4 defense? You're commenting about this after Greg Ellis had his best sack numbers in his 10-year career in '07? And you say this after THE DeMarcus Ware tacked on 14 more?

Wait a sec. Let me have some time to absorb all this.















:bang2:

 

[DaBoys4Life]

In the six hours after I provided the link to nfl.com, you never tried to find Hatcher's stats yourself? You just decided to wait six hours for someone else to post them for you?

wow.

lol

I agree that Spears can improve his game in shielding linebackers from blockers. Those are the primary responsibilities for good defensive ends and nose tackle in a 3-4 defensive scheme against the pass. In other words, they allow the linebackers to make plays pressuring the quarterback.

If the right tackle are completely occupied with Spears, it increases the opportunity of Greg Ellis or Anthony Spencer being one-on-one with a tight end in blitz situations. Advantage: Dallas.

that makes sense

If the right tackle AND guard are tied up blocking Spears, it increases the chances of Bradie James or the inside linebacker having a running back between him and the quarterback--or nobody protecting the quarterback at all for inside stunts and blitzes. Advantage: Dallas.

when has spears demanded double teams?

A good 3-4 defensive end is also good in run support. Spears is good in run support. A great 3-4 defensive end is also great in run support and a high tackle count usually supports that view. Spears has work to do in that area.

30 tackles says other wise

Sacks or quarterback pressures from 4-3 defensive ends are essential. Sacks or quarterback pressures from a 3-4 defensive end are just gravy. That's the difference between the two.

I want my cake and to be able to it to.

You want one of the best outside linebackers in the entire league dropping back into coverage? You don't want him blitzing the quarterback? Plus, you believe that pressure from the edges from our linebackers is a weakness in our 3-4 defense? You're commenting about this after Greg Ellis had his best sack numbers in his 10-year career in '07? And you say this after THE DeMarcus Ware tacked on 14 more?

Let me explain it more since i might have used the wrong word in using weakness. Yes there sacks are there and thats great. Dware is such a gifted athelete we i want him to be able to make plays in all aspect of defense. What ends up happening to Ware sometimes is he goes to wide or the tackle pushes him a little bit or the QB steps up in the pocket and ware /ellis are totally out of the play. Then when the QB steps up into the pocket there should be someone from our DLine in his face however that normally isn't the case.

 

[DallasEast]

lol

@ Mr. Lazy.

that makes sense

when has spears demanded double teams?

Remember when I said, "I agree that Spears can improve his game in shielding linebackers from blockers. Those are the primary responsibilities for good defensive ends and nose tackle in a 3-4 defensive scheme against the pass. In other words, they allow the linebackers to make plays pressuring the quarterback." ...then you said, "that makes sense"

tick tock tick...

30 tackles says other wise

Remember when I defined "good" and "great"?

...tock tick tock...

I want my cake and to be able to it to.

:madden:

Let me explain it more since i might have used the wrong word in using weakness. Yes there sacks are there and thats great. Dware is such a gifted athelete we i want him to be able to make plays in all aspect of defense. What ends up happening to Ware sometimes is he goes to wide or the tackle pushes him a little bit or the QB steps up in the pocket and ware /ellis are totally out of the play. Then when the QB steps up into the pocket there should be someone from our DLine in his face however that normally isn't the case.

Your expectations would be correct if you had the defensive line of the New York Giants providing that push. They have a 4-3 defense. Four defensive linemen exerting a push against five offensive linemen all game long will give you that kind of pressure. The expectation should be different for observers of three defensive linemen versus five offensive linemen in a 3-4 defense.

:madden: part II