Getting Pacman Jones will advance our team 2 maybe 3 years.

[Vintage]

Hatcher probably got more opportunities than Spears did in obvious passing situations, allowing him to "tee off" on the QB.

Spears was subbed IIRC on 3rd downs. We rotated DL.

Spears is a solid DE. He does a good job of holding up at the POA on runs.

Him, Canty, Hatcher, and Bowen form a nice quartet that compliment each other well.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

@ Mr. Lazy.



Remember when I said, "I agree that Spears can improve his game in shielding linebackers from blockers. Those are the primary responsibilities for good defensive ends and nose tackle in a 3-4 defensive scheme against the pass. In other words, they allow the linebackers to make plays pressuring the quarterback." ...then you said, "that makes sense"

tick tock tick...Remember when I defined "good" and "great"?

...tock tick tock...:madden:Your expectations would be correct if you had the defensive line of the New York Giants providing that push. They have a 4-3 defense. Four defensive linemen exerting a push against five offensive linemen all game long will give you that kind of pressure. The expectation should be different for observers of three defensive linemen versus five offensive linemen in a 3-4 defense.

:madden: part II

I think i want our DLine to have the same success under Wade Phillips that San Diego DLine had in his last season with the chargers.

 

[DallasEast]

I think i want our DLine to have the same success under Wade Phillips that San Diego DLine had in his last season with the chargers.

Keep words are "last season". Here are the comparison stats between Coach Phillips third season as San Diego's 3-4 defensive coordinator and his first season as Dallas head coach:

Tackles -

Sacks -

You may see a slight improvement from the defensive line during Phillips' second season here. That's a reasonable expectation since he will have had more time to get his players to execute his defense more efficiently, but there isn't a huge difference between the performance of his '06 defensive and his '07 defensive line.

Items to keep in mind -

• Castillo's sack numbers were double his career average
• Unlike Williams, Ratliff is not a true nose tackle, which affected his tackle numbers, but his sack numbers are a better reflection of his skills as a defensive tackle/end
• Here's one you will like: both Olshansky and Spears play the exact same position.

Next.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Keep words are "last season". Here are the comparison stats between Coach Phillips third season as San Diego's 3-4 defensive coordinator and his first season as Dallas head coach:

Tackles -

Sacks -

You may see a slight improvement from the defensive line during Phillips' second season here. That's a reasonable expectation since he will have had more time to get his players to execute his defense more efficiently, but there isn't a huge difference between the performance of his '06 defensive and his '07 defensive line.

Items to keep in mind -

• Castillo's sack numbers were double his career average
• Unlike Williams, Ratliff is not a true nose tackle, which affected his tackle numbers, but his sack numbers are a better reflection of his skills as a defensive tackle/end
• Here's one you will like: both Olshansky and Spears play the exact same position.

Next.

I see

139 tackles opposed to 103.
10.5 sacks opposed to 8.5.

I think Ratliff canty and Hatcher will flurish Spears will continue his downward spiral. Was Olshansky drafted in the 1st round coming out of LSU just because they are play the same position where your drafted and what school you come out of matters. Spears hasn't shown us anything for us to believe we need to keep him. Do you understand what 36 more tackles and 2 more sacks could have done for us. Being able to stop the run at the line of scrimmage is critical and sets up the longer down and sitances. Once a RB gets to the second level it takes one move from them to be gone and i've witnessed that happen to us a couple of times.

Ok now i see what your getting at that with this we need more time for the players to devlop in Wade's 3-4 system and then hopefully they will be able to improve to some of the expectations I had for them. If you look at their second season under Wade Castillo wasn't as dominate that could have been for a couple of reason however this season will determine where our players are at. The fact still remains that we have had players on our DLine who improved their stats since BP left and players whos stats have gone down since BP has left.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I see

139 tackles opposed to 103.
10.5 sacks opposed to 8.5.

I think Ratliff canty and Hatcher will flurish Spears will continue his downward spiral. Was Olshansky drafted in the 1st round coming out of LSU just because they are play the same position where your drafted and what school you come out of matters. Spears hasn't shown us anything for us to believe we need to keep him. Do you understand what 36 more tackles and 2 more sacks could have done for us. Being able to stop the run at the line of scrimmage is critical and sets up the longer down and sitances. Once a RB gets to the second level it takes one move from them to be gone and i've witnessed that happen to us a couple of times.

Ok now i see what your getting at that with this we need more time for the players to devlop in Wade's 3-4 system and then hopefully they will be able to improve to some of the expectations I had for them. If you look at their second season under Wade Castillo wasn't as dominate that could have been for a couple of reason however this season will determine where our players are at. The fact still remains that we have had players on our DLine who improved their stats since BP left and players whos stats have gone down since BP has left.

Spears has not gotten worse he actually was playing very well to end the season last year. Sure he hasnt been worth a first but he doesnt suck.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Lplpw9tjd_E

 

[DallasEast]

:scream:

I see

139 tackles opposed to 103.
10.5 sacks opposed to 8.5.

1. The tackle difference is 36. That's an average of just over two tackles per game more for the Chargers' DL. Small difference.
2. A two sack difference is even tinier, especially considering that the sacks were generated by the teams' respective DLs.

I think Ratliff canty and Hatcher will flurish Spears will continue his downward spiral.

It's doubtful that Spears' skills will erode. Worst case scenario is that he will not improve. It's possible that Hatcher will "flourish" because he has a better skill set than Spears--in which case, he could replace Spears because Phillips thinks he's better and not because Spears went down a "downward spiral".

Was Olshansky drafted in the 1st round coming out of LSU just because they are play the same position where your drafted and what school you come out of matters.

The Battlestar Galactica marathon is on SciFi, so I think that the most appropriate question is, "What the frak..?"

Olshansky was a 35th overall selection. That means that he was the third pick of the second round. So, a difference between being the 32nd and 35th pick is a big difference. Big whoop.

...and did you just diss the defending national champions, LSU???

Spears hasn't shown us anything for us to believe we need to keep him. Do you understand what 36 more tackles and 2 more sacks could have done for us.

Better question: Did you even watch the NFC divisional round game last January?

Being able to stop the run at the line of scrimmage is critical and sets up the longer down and sitances. Once a RB gets to the second level it takes one move from them to be gone and i've witnessed that happen to us a couple of times.

Now, we've re-focused on the defensive line's effectiveness against the run. Okay.

FACT: Phillips '07 defense was fifth in the league versus the run--giving up an average of 90 rushing yards per game. In the NFC divisional game, Spears, Ratliff and Canty had seven tackles. The defense gave up only 98 yards to Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw and one touchdown--a one yard touchdown at that.

FACT: Phillips '06 defense ranked seventh versus the run--surrendering over 100 yards per game. When they played the Patriots in the AFC divisional round game, Olshansky, Williams and Castillo had eight tackles. The defense gave up only 48 yards to Kevin Faulk, Corey Dillon and Laurence Maroney and zero touchdowns.

QUESTION: Do YOU really believe that the defensive line for both of Phillips' defenses were the reason why the Chargers and Cowboys were one-and-done in both playoffs?

You talk about the running back reaching the linebackers and hurting the defense because of the defensive line, in particularly Spears. I say bull by comparing your favorite DL's performance against the one you feel must be upgraded--despite Spears not have as much of a detrimential effect on the DL as you believe during the game that mattered most.

Ok now i see what your getting at that with this we need more time for the players to devlop in Wade's 3-4 system and then hopefully they will be able to improve to some of the expectations I had for them.

Patience is a virtue, you know.

If you look at their second season under Wade Castillo wasn't as dominate that could have been for a couple of reason however this season will determine where our players are at.

There you go.

The fact still remains that we have had players on our DLine who improved their stats since BP left and players whos stats have gone down since BP has left.

:bang2:

I'm about this close to throwing my hands up.

 

[DaBoys4Life]

1. The tackle difference is 36. That's an average of just over two tackles per game more for the Chargers' DL. Small difference.
2. A two sack difference is even tinier, especially considering that the sacks were generated by the teams' respective DLs.
It's doubtful that Spears' skills will erode. Worst case scenario is that he will not improve. It's possible that Hatcher will "flourish" because he has a better skill set than Spears--in which case, he could replace Spears because Phillips thinks he's better and not because Spears went down a "downward spiral".The Battlestar Galactica marathon is on SciFi, so I think that the most appropriate question is, "What the frak..?"

I think the extra 2-3 extra tackles a game are more helpful than what you think same goes for the 2 sacks could have made huge differences.

Olshansky was a 35th overall selection. That means that he was the third

...and did you just diss the defending national champions, LSU???
pick of the second round. So, a difference between being the 32nd and 35th pick is a big difference. Big whoop.

There's a difference between 19th and 35th. No i wasn't trying to diss LSU i'm saying the fact that he is from LSU he should be a cut above the rest and have put up better numbers than what he has so far what we got is a struggling DLinemen who doesn't do anything.

Better question: Did you even watch the NFC divisional round game last January?Now, we've re-focused on the defensive line's effectiveness against the run. Okay.

no i didn't :sarcasm:

FACT: Phillips '07 defense was fifth in the league versus the run--giving up an average of 90 rushing yards per game. In the NFC divisional game, Spears, Ratliff and Canty had seven tackles. The defense gave up only 98 yards to Brandon Jacobs and Ahmad Bradshaw and one touchdown--a one yard touchdown at that.

FACT: Phillips '06 defense ranked seventh versus the run--surrendering over 100 yards per game. When they played the Patriots in the AFC divisional round game, Olshansky, Williams and Castillo had eight tackles. The defense gave up only 48 yards to Kevin Faulk, Corey Dillon and Laurence Maroney and zero touchdowns.

Yes factor out the offense its hard to commit to the run game when your do 14 points before you know it.

QUESTION: Do YOU really believe that the defensive line for both of Phillips' defenses were the reason why the Chargers and Cowboys were one-and-done in both playoffs?

The chargers no the fumble at the end of the game. The cowboys yes.

You talk about the running back reaching the linebackers and hurting the defense because of the defensive line, in particularly Spears. I say bull by comparing your favorite DL's performance against the one you feel must be upgraded--despite Spears not have as much of a detrimential effect on the DL as you believe during the game that mattered most.

Well Spears had less tackles so i would have to only assume that the running back got passed to the second level more than they did against Canty side. Now if there is some type of stat or some breakdown that shows OPP Average YPC towards Spears and Canty that could proove what i am saying wrong how ever based on the facts presented spears is showing to be the weakest link unless he was only ran at 30 times.

Spears is on a downward spiral his stats from when he was with BP were higher than when he was with Phillips I don't count his rookie season since he was a rookie but his numbers went down since wade took over thus he has regressed thus he is on a downward spiral.

 

[DallasEast]

I think the extra 2-3 extra tackles a game are more helpful than what you think same goes for the 2 sacks could have made huge differences.

There's a difference between 19th and 35th. No i wasn't trying to diss LSU i'm saying the fact that he is from LSU he should be a cut above the rest and have put up better numbers than what he has so far what we got is a struggling DLinemen who doesn't do anything.

First, it was "Was Olshansky drafted in the 1st round". The first round consists of 32 picks. NOW, it's "There's a difference between 19th and 35th." What will it be next?

no i didn't :sarcasm:

:shakes head:

Yes factor out the offense its hard to commit to the run game when your do 14 points before you know it.

What the frak..?

The chargers no the fumble at the end of the game. The cowboys yes.

Ooookay.

Well Spears had less tackles so i would have to only assume that the running back got passed to the second level more than they did against Canty side. Now if there is some type of stat or some breakdown that shows OPP Average YPC towards Spears and Canty that could proove what i am saying wrong how ever based on the facts presented spears is showing to be the weakest link unless he was only ran at 30 times.

Spears is on a downward spiral his stats from when he was with BP were higher than when he was with Phillips I don't count his rookie season since he was a rookie but his numbers went down since wade took over thus he has regressed thus he is on a downward spiral.

Even I, the 'stat guy', will not proclaim that a player's on the downward spiral on stats alone. I wonder if Phillips installation of his version of the 3-4 defense when he replaced Parcells may have played factor in the equation?

Oops. Did I say that?

 

[DaBoys4Life]

Even I, the 'stat guy', will not proclaim that a player's on the downward spiral on stats alone. I wonder if Phillips installation of his version of the 3-4 defense when he replaced Parcells may have played factor in the equation?

Oops. Did I say that?

I factored that in but that doesn't explain the increased stats by every1 on our Dline. Our LB stats also went up with the exception of Akin. So either he is a slow learner or he's on a downward spiral i say its the latter. But heck his stats where so low last year i guess it wouldn't be hard from him to improve from that.

 

[DallasEast]

Even I, the 'stat guy', will not proclaim that a player's on the downward spiral on stats alone. I wonder if Phillips installation of his version of the 3-4 defense when he replaced Parcells may have played factor in the equation?

Oops. Did I say that?

I factored that in but that doesn't explain the increased stats by every1 on our Dline. Our LB stats also went up with the exception of Akin. So either he is a slow learner or he's on a downward spiral i say its the latter. But heck his stats where so low last year i guess it wouldn't be hard from him to improve from that.

There's a decrease in stats for several players on the Chargers' DL. As my old friend, TheProphet, would ask, "Thoughts"?

 

[DaBoys4Life]

There's a decrease in stats for several players on the Chargers' DL. As my old friend, TheProphet, would ask, "Thoughts"?

they not using wades 3-4 any more

 

[DallasEast]

they not using wades 3-4 any more

But Dallas... and Spears... is. Sooooo, there's no reason to believe that Spears' stats couldn't improve in Phillips' second season here, right..?

 

[DaBoys4Life]

But Dallas... and Spears... is. Sooooo, there's no reason to believe that Spears' stats couldn't improve in Phillips' second season here, right..?

Well there is a chance he can improve however i doubt he could.