Giants - Cowboys comparison

[AdamJT13]

Giants have played in 3 superbowls this decade and are 2-1

Quick, find the "Edit" button.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

BBWC = epic homer

 

[Woods]

Comparing the Cowboys with the Giants seems a trifle defeatist unless the goal is being the second-best team in the division. Currently, the Eagles reign supreme in the East; this won't change until there are substantial philosophical changes within the Cowboys organization.

Ummm . . . . you mean like improving team cohesion, finally focusing on STs (and really doing something about it), the players not talking about Super Bowls in the off-season, and improving depth at virtually all spots on the team rather than adding another "name" WR?

I think there have been some changes this year at Valley Ranch.

But I know what you mean, though. Until we actually prove it, it doesn't mean much.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

This is just a terrible comparison, and I'm not saying this because I'm a homer, the myriad of inaccuracies just make for painful reading. And games are won in the trenches, the Giants have a top 5 offensive line, and the best defensive line hands down in the NFL. It's pointless arguing over whose skill position players are slightly better.

Ask Eli about that top 5 offensive line when he was taking 11 of his 24 sacks against Dallas. Now you could throw out you've got Canty from us, but we replaced him with an equal for 40% less cash, AND the heart of your defense is head coachin' somewhere else.

Giants are paper champs of the NFC East right now, and let's not forget the first ever "defending" Super Bowl champs to get wiped out by a #6 seed.

We all saw how great eli was when he had to win with Plaxico out. He's not 1/2 the QB Romo is, all things being equal.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Their running attack lost Ward and we swapped in Brooking and Igor. At this point Thomas and Brooking are a wash and I think 2009 Igor will be better than 2008 Canty.

Their Oline is one of the best in the business and another year under their belt will make them that much better.

Their WR corps took a huge hit with the loss of Toomer and Plax. Sensabaugh is a clear upgrade over what we had out there last year. I really do see this as a long year for Eli.

 

[DallasDomination]

We have been the best team on paper for the past 2 years. I dont give a rats how we compare on paper to x team. Show me the money or go home. I'm sick and tired of the cowboys comming up short. No more kool-aid for me.

 

[SaltwaterServr]

We have been the best team on paper for the past 2 years. I dont give a rats how we compare on paper to x team. Show me the money or go home. I'm sick and tired of the cowboys comming up short. No more kool-aid for me.

And last year that paper had "see trainer for required injury treatment" or "player transaction: Injured Reserve" stamped all over it.

 

[Primetime42]

We're better than they are. Point blank.

We've been better for the last 3 years now.

They haven't beaten us. We've beaten ourselves. Romo's lost to them once in his career and that was a fluke.

Can't wait to humiliate them in the home opener.

 

[Doomsay]

And last year that paper had "see trainer for required injury treatment" or "player transaction: Injured Reserve" stamped all over it.

A lot of playoff teams had more injuries than us. Granted, Tony was a huge loss for a couple of games, but that was our GM/coaching staff's fault for not having a back up that could actually play at the high school level.

 

[BBWC]

Ask Eli about that top 5 offensive line when he was taking 11 of his 24 sacks against Dallas. Now you could throw out you've got Canty from us, but we replaced him with an equal for 40% less cash, AND the heart of your defense is head coachin' somewhere else.

Giants are paper champs of the NFC East right now, and let's not forget the first ever "defending" Super Bowl champs to get wiped out by a #6 seed.

We all saw how great eli was when he had to win with Plaxico out. He's not 1/2 the QB Romo is, all things being equal.

The strength of the Giants offensive line is its run blocking ability, which is at an elite level. It's an average pass blocking line, I have no problem admitting this, when we lost Plaxico the Cowboys and Eagles were able to effectively stack the box with eight and nine defenders and play press coverage, this slowed down our running game (but still could not manage to shut it down) and brought a ton of pressure down on Eli.

Unfortunately our WR's were not able to beat the press and get open on time, the outcome was inevitable. The Giants have had all offseason to make the necessary adjustments, we've added 3 new weapons to the passing attack, and are expecting some kind of production from the Manningham in his second year in a deep threat capacity.

Igor Olshansky is not half the player Chris Canty is, on your defense, in a diminished role he's servicable at the point of attack. Stats don't tell you half the story of a 3-4 DE, Canty is the all around better player hands down, this explains why he generated interest from multiple teams this offseason, and why Igor was benched the last few weeks in San Diego and sent packing after the year signing with one of the only teams who actually showed any interest.

He's a head case who was a pariah inside the Chargers locker room.

And your Romo vs. Eli comparison is not even worth addressing.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Igor Olshansky is not half the player Chris Canty is, on your defense

Please, tell us more about a player we drafted and had here four years. I mean, you've had him all of eight weeks or so.

 

[HoosierCowboy]

not sayin I disagree with ya, but there is more to a football team then just skill position's. Many would argue that the Giants defense and offensive line are superior to ours....but like I said, I dont disagree that we should be better than we are being portrayed

I hate analysts--they overrate us last year and when we don't live up to their expectations, we are a bust (when it is all built on the analysts bad predictions)--this year they say we will not be so good (8-8) but there is no reason to think we will not be better--they will be surprised because they are idiots

 

[BBWC]

Please, tell us more about a player we drafted and had here four years. I mean, you've had him all of eight weeks or so.

I've seen him perform against the Giants, I've read reports from our coaching staff and offensive lineman who called him one of the most difficult players to defend against, he was always a nightmare against the Giants whenever the two teams faced off. According to Parcells; he's a high character, highly motivated guy. Now it's your turn, tell me how much he sucks...

 

[Primetime42]

I've seen him perform against the Giants, I've read reports from our coaching staff and offensive lineman who called him one of the most difficult players to defend against, he was always a nightmare against the Giants whenever the two teams faced off. According to Parcells; he's a high character, highly motivated guy. Now it's your turn, tell me how much he sucks...

He doesn't suck, but he isn't worth anywhere near 42 million dollars.

Olshansky will give us the same production he did.

Giants paid him that money because of potential, nothing more.

Parcells was fond of saying "Potential means nothing".

 

[BBWC]

He doesn't suck, but he isn't worth anywhere near 42 million dollars.

Olshansky will give us the same production he did.

Giants paid him that money because of potential, nothing more.

Parcells was fond of saying "Potential means nothing".

On the Cowboys defense where his main role was to eat up blockers to free up Ware, $42 million doesn't make sense. But on the Giants, where he'll see time at UT and DE, and he'll be asked to rush and collapse the pocket on a regular basis it remains to be seen if the Giants overspent.

 

[EPL0c0]

By paraflux1 from another sport forum:

Ok, so after reading several about thow the Giants are #1 spot and the Eagles fighting for 1st, with the Cowboys and Commanders fighting over here sits right above the bottom. I figured I would take a second just to look at some information and figure out exactly why the Cowboys are so looked down upon this year and I'll put the stats out there so maybe someone can clue me in, because frankly I don't get it.

So here we go;

WR: The Cowboys lost TO and the Giants lost Plax. Burress - This is a wash, both recievers are good but not on the teams anymore.

I won't count Roy Williams or the Giants rookies in the stats because this will be their first full season with the teams and there is no clue about how they are going to play.

So who do we have left?

(Giants) Amani Toomer

REC - 48, YDS - 580, AVG - 12.1, LONG - 40, TD - 4

(Cowboys) Patrick Crayton

REC - 39, YDS - 550, AVG - 14.1, LONG - 55, TD - 4

(Giants) Domenik Hixon

REC - 43, YDS - 596, AVG - 13.9, LONG - 41, TD - 2

(Cowboys) Miles Austin

REC - 13, YDS - 278, AVG - 21.4, LONG - 63, TD - 3

So minus out the new guys are the Cowboys and Giants are pretty close as far as WR goes. They have alittle more depth but overall the stats are pretty much the same.

TE:

(Giants) Kevin Boss

REC - 33, YDS - 384, AVG - 11.6, LONG - 28, TD - 6

(Cowboys) Jason Witten

REC - 81, YDS - 952, AVG - 11.8, LONG - 42, TD - 4

(Giants) Dacy Johnson

REC - 4, YDS - 46, AVG - 11.5, LONG - 26, TD - 2

(Cowboys) Martellus Bennett

REC - 20, YDS - 283, AVG - 14.2, LONG - 37, TD - 4

This one is pretty obvious the Cowboys are better stacked at this position than the Giants.


RB:

Derrick Wards stats will not be counted in this list because he is no longer with the team.

(Giants) Brandon Jacobs

ATT - 219, YDS - 1089, AVG - 5.0, LONG - 44, TD - 15

(Cowboys) Marion Barber

ATT - 238, YDS - 885, AVG - 3.7, LONG - 35, TD - 7

(Giants) Ahmad Bradshaw

ATT - 67, YDS - 355, AVG - 5.3, LONG - 77, TD - 1

(Cowboys) Felix Jones

ATT - 30, YDS - 266, AVG - 8.9, LONG - 60, TD - 3

(Cowboys) Tashard Choice

ATT - 92, YDS - 472, AVG - 5.1, LONG - 38, TD - 2

While the Giants running game last year was dangerous and very solid, they lost a big piece of that in one of their 1000+ rushers. Depending on how the depth of their running game plays I will give the edge to the Cowboys on this one. One can imagine what Felix Jones stats would have been if he hadn't have been injured.

QB:

(Giants) Eli Manning

CMP - 289, ATT - 479, YDS - 3238, COMP % - 60.3, YPA - 6.76, TD - 21, INT - 10 , RAT - 86.4

(Cowboys) Tony Romo

CMP - 276, ATT - 450, YDS - 3448, COMP % - 61.3, YPA - 7.66, TD - 26, INT - 14, RAT - 91.4

Both QBs were faily good. Romo missing 3 games plus the broken finger surely didn't help but still but up good numbers. While Eli is the proven of the 2 with the superbowl win I would say both QBs are equal.

Just looking at the overall offensive stats I don't understand why the Cowboys can't put up a good fight in any game and at least challenge for the top. Why this whole 8-8 at best, no play off spots, bottom of the barrell stuff is what everyone is predicting is beyond me.

Look at the stats themselves, do you honestly not believe we can't put up a good season?

"That's why they play the games" ....as they say.

In December 2008: Eli 2 turnovers. Romo 9 turnovers.

Until Romo learns to take better care of the ball (among other improvements this team needs), the Cowboys may put up a good fight, but won't challenge for the top.

And that Giants fan is right, b/c on top of that, the defenses' poor performance vs Baltimore and Philadelphia were why they came crashing down.

 

[Primetime42]

On the Cowboys defense where his main role was to eat up blockers to free up Ware, $42 million doesn't make sense. But on the Giants, where he'll see time at UT and DE, and he'll be asked to rush and collapse the pocket on a regular basis it remains to be seen if the Giants overspent.

That wasn't his main role here.

We don't play that kind of 3-4.

If anything he benefited from having the best pass rusher in the league on his side of the field.

 

[BBWC]

That wasn't his main role here.

We don't play that kind of 3-4.

If anything he benefited from having the best pass rusher in the league on his side of the field.

You're definitely going to have to enlighten on this one, do the Cowboys play some mystical form of 3-4 the rest of the league has never heard of or something? Invariably, the job of a 3-4 DE is hold the point of attack, freeing up linebackers to make plays. By all accounts (and this includes Chris Canty himself) that was the role he filled in Dallas. Occasionally the Cowboys would line up with Canty inside in a 4-3 alignment, but to say the Cowboys didn't play "that kind" of 3-4? What does this mean?

 

[Primetime42]

You're definitely going to have to enlighten on this one, do the Cowboys play some mystical form of 3-4 the rest of the league has never heard of or something? Invariably, the job of a 3-4 DE is hold the point of attack, freeing up linebackers to make plays. By all accounts (and this includes Chris Canty himself) that was the role he filled in Dallas. Occasionally the Cowboys would line up with Canty inside in a 4-3 alignment, but to say the Cowboys didn't play "that kind" of 3-4? What does this mean?

Wade Phillips' 3-4 isn't like the Parcells/Belichick version.

It's a one-gap "attack" scheme. That's why they got so many sacks last year, even from the NT position with Jay Ratliff.

I won't go as far as to call it a hybrid, but coupled with the 4-6 that they started running last year it's not all about "holding the point of attack" as you say.

It's not like Canty was facing double teams.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

On the Cowboys defense where his main role was to eat up blockers to free up Ware, $42 million doesn't make sense. But on the Giants, where he'll see time at UT and DE, and he'll be asked to rush and collapse the pocket on a regular basis it remains to be seen if the Giants overspent.

You don't know jack about Wade's D. Here's a hint: its not a two gap system.