Giants - Cowboys comparison

[jobberone]

On the Cowboys defense where his main role was to eat up blockers to free up Ware, $42 million doesn't make sense. But on the Giants, where he'll see time at UT and DE, and he'll be asked to rush and collapse the pocket on a regular basis it remains to be seen if the Giants overspent.

I'll give you this one. But then we don't rush with our DEs much so you're comparing apples to oranges.

I think the Eagles are the team to beat right now based on paper and production. They'll still play the games up to the end so we'll see.

 

[Gryphon]

Another comparison response by Sibillaspops from another sports forum:

It's so silly to compare:

A.) On stats - Because schemes/play-calling and opposition all differ for each team

AND

B.) Position vs Position - Because they'll never play each other.

My analysis:

Cowboys Pass v Giants Pass defense: Romo is good for a couple hundred yards against the Giants any given week. Of course, that was with T.O. I still agree that he'll find success against the Giants with Witten. Roy Williams is still unknown heading into this season - we all know what he's capable of, but, whether that translates to success is another story. Corey Webster is an above average corner - but - will not be covering the biggest receiving threat Witten. Ross will most likely be asked to cover Austin. Both promising players and can go either way on any play. However, there's one other facet: Pass rush. The Giants appear to be very strong this year - Tuck and Osi, with Kiwinuka and Canty able to be rotated in. Slight edge to the Cowboys for Witten.

Cowboys Rush v Giants Rush defense: Marion Barber can and will get positive yards. If you need 3 yards Marion will get you 4, the problem is, if you need 5 yards Marion will get you 4. The Giants run defense can match up with anyone in the league - and there's no exception with the Cowboys. The one caveat I'll give myself is Choice - he had a good game against us in the second meeting last year - was that a matter of his talent or a tired unmotivated Giants team? That's the wildcard - for now: Giants with a caveat.

Giants Pass v Cowboys Pass defense: Ware is a monster and commands a gameplan for him alone. Also, the Cowboys run a 3-4 which historically confuses the Kevin Killdrive (Gilbride). In the secondary the Cowboys have added a lot of depth so it's hard to assess who will actually be starting and how match-ups will be. However, I don't think the Giants have a wide receiver on the roster that can exploit Terrance Newman. Again, I'll have to give myself an out by supplying a wild-card in the Giants Rookie WR's. They show potential and if one of them pans out it could give the Giants an edge. Cowboys for scheme and intense pass rush; with a caveat.

Giants Rush v Cowboys Rush defense: The Giants have one of the most prolific run blocking lines in the league. Also very physical from the backfield with Jacobs. The Cowboys, however, are no slouch in their defense. The loss of Canty and the addition of Brooking seemingly will cancel each other out - however - the Giants were still the #1 ranked rush offense last year and there's little reason to believe they wont be able to continue their success: Giants

In the interests of brevity Special Teams: Draw - Both teams posses strong ,field position emphasized, special teams units. It will be interesting to see how Buehler will be used in kick-offs or field goals. Both teams use their respective field goal kickers to their advantage and both punters are upper echelon players. Return - neither team has a knack for consistently explosive return men - not to say they can't happen - but there's nothing to lead me to believe either team has anyone that would require a significantly different gameplan. (read: Devin Hester)

 

[jobberone]

Another comparison response by Sibillaspops from another sports forum:

It's so silly to compare:

A.) On stats - Because schemes/play-calling and opposition all differ for each team

AND

B.) Position vs Position - Because they'll never play each other.

My analysis:

Cowboys Pass v Giants Pass defense: Romo is good for a couple hundred yards against the Giants any given week. Of course, that was with T.O. I still agree that he'll find success against the Giants with Witten. Roy Williams is still unknown heading into this season - we all know what he's capable of, but, whether that translates to success is another story. Corey Webster is an above average corner - but - will not be covering the biggest receiving threat Witten. Ross will most likely be asked to cover Austin. Both promising players and can go either way on any play. However, there's one other facet: Pass rush. The Giants appear to be very strong this year - Tuck and Osi, with Kiwinuka and Canty able to be rotated in. Slight edge to the Cowboys for Witten.

Cowboys Rush v Giants Rush defense: Marion Barber can and will get positive yards. If you need 3 yards Marion will get you 4, the problem is, if you need 5 yards Marion will get you 4. The Giants run defense can match up with anyone in the league - and there's no exception with the Cowboys. The one caveat I'll give myself is Choice - he had a good game against us in the second meeting last year - was that a matter of his talent or a tired unmotivated Giants team? That's the wildcard - for now: Giants with a caveat.

Giants Pass v Cowboys Pass defense: Ware is a monster and commands a gameplan for him alone. Also, the Cowboys run a 3-4 which historically confuses the Kevin Killdrive (Gilbride). In the secondary the Cowboys have added a lot of depth so it's hard to assess who will actually be starting and how match-ups will be. However, I don't think the Giants have a wide receiver on the roster that can exploit Terrance Newman. Again, I'll have to give myself an out by supplying a wild-card in the Giants Rookie WR's. They show potential and if one of them pans out it could give the Giants an edge. Cowboys for scheme and intense pass rush; with a caveat.

Giants Rush v Cowboys Rush defense: The Giants have one of the most prolific run blocking lines in the league. Also very physical from the backfield with Jacobs. The Cowboys, however, are no slouch in their defense. The loss of Canty and the addition of Brooking seemingly will cancel each other out - however - the Giants were still the #1 ranked rush offense last year and there's little reason to believe they wont be able to continue their success: Giants

In the interests of brevity Special Teams: Draw - Both teams posses strong ,field position emphasized, special teams units. It will be interesting to see how Buehler will be used in kick-offs or field goals. Both teams use their respective field goal kickers to their advantage and both punters are upper echelon players. Return - neither team has a knack for consistently explosive return men - not to say they can't happen - but there's nothing to lead me to believe either team has anyone that would require a significantly different gameplan. (read: Devin Hester)

Good post. I think the key to the games with the Giants is giving Romo enough time to execute an offensive game plan (assuming we have one good enough to beat the Giants...ok JG). If you want to add in our OL allowing us to play ball control ok. And whether our DL read NT will allow us to not let NYG play ball control as well.

So it gets to the LOS. Imagine that.

 

[AKATheRake]

You didn't add coaching, defense or special teams into the mix. Player cohesion helps too. I don't know where people are saying we're bottom of the barrell but if they are, they're completely wrong.

 

[BourbonBalz]

Dallas will win 11 games, maybe 12.
Contend for division, maybe a first round bye.

You are so very correct.

 

[DallasDomination]

I've seen him perform against the Giants, I've read reports from our coaching staff and offensive lineman who called him one of the most difficult players to defend against, he was always a nightmare against the Giants whenever the two teams faced off. According to Parcells; he's a high character, highly motivated guy. Now it's your turn, tell me how much he sucks...

canty has always been a potential player. He was just solid here in dallas with some decent games here and there. I dont think He's worth all that money nor will He be the superstar yOu guys think He is.

He always looked like A Giant to me. That's why I never really liked Him. I always got the feeling He didnt want to represent the star. Glad He's out. Cross eyed Bumb

 

[GoBoys41]

Canty was a non factor as a nickel interior rusher in Dallas, and Dallas played nickel quite often. I don't think the scheme was really a big issue when it comes to his miniscule sack numbers. He legitimately isn't a very good pass rusher. There are 3-4 ends getting 6-7 sacks a year, so don't act like it's impossible for a 3-4 end to generate a rush especially in Wade's 1 gap scheme. It just so happened that he had his best performances against the Giants, which is why I believe they think they are getting a better player than they really are.

 

[windward]

Games aren't won on paper. Right now, we are a 9-7 team coming off a game where we undeniably quit with the playoffs on the line. How anyone can look at this year's team and start throwing around 11 or 12 wins and the NFC Championship Game is beyond me. We're an 8-8 team right now until proven otherwise.

So, which is it?

 

[DaBoys4Life]

By paraflux1 from another sport forum:

Ok, so after reading several about thow the Giants are #1 spot and the Eagles fighting for 1st, with the Cowboys and Commanders fighting over here sits right above the bottom. I figured I would take a second just to look at some information and figure out exactly why the Cowboys are so looked down upon this year and I'll put the stats out there so maybe someone can clue me in, because frankly I don't get it.

So here we go;

WR: The Cowboys lost TO and the Giants lost Plax. Burress - This is a wash, both recievers are good but not on the teams anymore.

I won't count Roy Williams or the Giants rookies in the stats because this will be their first full season with the teams and there is no clue about how they are going to play.

So who do we have left?

(Giants) Amani Toomer

REC - 48, YDS - 580, AVG - 12.1, LONG - 40, TD - 4

(Cowboys) Patrick Crayton

REC - 39, YDS - 550, AVG - 14.1, LONG - 55, TD - 4

(Giants) Domenik Hixon

REC - 43, YDS - 596, AVG - 13.9, LONG - 41, TD - 2

(Cowboys) Miles Austin

REC - 13, YDS - 278, AVG - 21.4, LONG - 63, TD - 3

So minus out the new guys are the Cowboys and Giants are pretty close as far as WR goes. They have alittle more depth but overall the stats are pretty much the same.

TE:

(Giants) Kevin Boss

REC - 33, YDS - 384, AVG - 11.6, LONG - 28, TD - 6

(Cowboys) Jason Witten

REC - 81, YDS - 952, AVG - 11.8, LONG - 42, TD - 4

(Giants) Dacy Johnson

REC - 4, YDS - 46, AVG - 11.5, LONG - 26, TD - 2

(Cowboys) Martellus Bennett

REC - 20, YDS - 283, AVG - 14.2, LONG - 37, TD - 4

This one is pretty obvious the Cowboys are better stacked at this position than the Giants.


RB:

Derrick Wards stats will not be counted in this list because he is no longer with the team.

(Giants) Brandon Jacobs

ATT - 219, YDS - 1089, AVG - 5.0, LONG - 44, TD - 15

(Cowboys) Marion Barber

ATT - 238, YDS - 885, AVG - 3.7, LONG - 35, TD - 7

(Giants) Ahmad Bradshaw

ATT - 67, YDS - 355, AVG - 5.3, LONG - 77, TD - 1

(Cowboys) Felix Jones

ATT - 30, YDS - 266, AVG - 8.9, LONG - 60, TD - 3

(Cowboys) Tashard Choice

ATT - 92, YDS - 472, AVG - 5.1, LONG - 38, TD - 2

While the Giants running game last year was dangerous and very solid, they lost a big piece of that in one of their 1000+ rushers. Depending on how the depth of their running game plays I will give the edge to the Cowboys on this one. One can imagine what Felix Jones stats would have been if he hadn't have been injured.

QB:

(Giants) Eli Manning

CMP - 289, ATT - 479, YDS - 3238, COMP % - 60.3, YPA - 6.76, TD - 21, INT - 10 , RAT - 86.4

(Cowboys) Tony Romo

CMP - 276, ATT - 450, YDS - 3448, COMP % - 61.3, YPA - 7.66, TD - 26, INT - 14, RAT - 91.4

Both QBs were faily good. Romo missing 3 games plus the broken finger surely didn't help but still but up good numbers. While Eli is the proven of the 2 with the superbowl win I would say both QBs are equal.

Just looking at the overall offensive stats I don't understand why the Cowboys can't put up a good fight in any game and at least challenge for the top. Why this whole 8-8 at best, no play off spots, bottom of the barrell stuff is what everyone is predicting is beyond me.

Look at the stats themselves, do you honestly not believe we can't put up a good season?

why isn't steve smith on the list for the gmen?

 

[starfrombirth]

On the Cowboys defense where his main role was to eat up blockers to free up Ware, $42 million doesn't make sense. But on the Giants, where he'll see time at UT and DE, and he'll be asked to rush and collapse the pocket on a regular basis it remains to be seen if the Giants overspent.

In this I tend to agree with him. I think Canty was miscast here. I think he will play outstanding DE NOT DT. As far as what we needed him to do here, Olshansky is a better fit for the money but for what Canty will do in NY, I think he will excel and make Osi and Tucks life much easier. And yes Tuck will go back inside because he proved that he can be a major force inside. Canty will go outside and we will face a Dline that has Osi, Tuck, and Canty rushing Romo. I think a lot of people here will change their minds about Canty when NY faces us. I hope I'm completely wrong but I don't think I am.

 

[burmafrd]

I do not think that Canty is quick enough to be the force you think he will be.

ANd I can argue that we are a 13-3 team that had a down year. Just as easily as 9-7.