Giants - Cowboys comparison

[DFWJC]

No offense, but comparing the Cowboys man for man with any team is useless untill we start playing with more heart. We matched up very will vs Pittsburgh last year---they win the Super Bowl and we don't even make the playoffs.

Again, no offense. Until proven otherwise we can be fairly labled paper tigers. There is no category for team unity and heart. I just hope that's not the case this year!

 

[BBWC]

Wade Phillips' 3-4 isn't like the Parcells/Belichick version.

It's a one-gap "attack" scheme. That's why they got so many sacks last year, even from the NT position with Jay Ratliff.

I won't go as far as to call it a hybrid, but coupled with the 4-6 that they started running last year it's not all about "holding the point of attack" as you say.

It's not like Canty was facing double teams.

You know your team better than I, but in interviews Canty clearly made mention that he was looking forward to rushing the QB on a more consistent basis on the Giants defense. And I'd also like to point out that when I said Canty's job was to mainly hold the point of attack, it came with a stipulation that his role would obviously change according to down and distance. No point in eating up blocks on 3rd and 20, your job is to get penetration.

 

[Primetime42]

You know your team better than I, but in interviews Canty clearly made mention that he was looking forward to rushing the QB on a more consistent basis on the Giants defense. And I'd also like to point out that when I said Canty's job was to mainly hold the point of attack, it came with a stipulation that his role would obviously change according to down and distance. No point in eating up blocks on 3rd and 20, your job is to get penetration.

Canty's not as bright as he lets on if he thinks he was supposed to bullrush the passer every single play.

No defense has that philosophy. Believe me, when it was a passing situation and he was on the field, he was told to get the QB.

The fact that DeMarcus Ware was on his side and he got as few sacks as he did speaks volumes.

Though, he was damn good at stopping the run. There was a reason they asked him to do that more often.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Wade Phillips' 3-4 isn't like the Parcells/Belichick version.

It's a one-gap "attack" scheme. That's why they got so many sacks last year, even from the NT position with Jay Ratliff.

I won't go as far as to call it a hybrid, but coupled with the 4-6 that they started running last year it's not all about "holding the point of attack" as you say.

It's not like Canty was facing double teams.

Ware was on the same side as Canty so Canty NEVER saw double teams. In Wade's system, off the top of my head, Luis Castillo, Shane Dronett and Marcellus friggin Wiley all averaged over 10 sacks a season from Canty's spot. You can throw Bruce Smith in there as well.

How did Canty do? Three sack in 2 season in Wade's D and he was awful for the first half of last season, a contact year.

Giants were robbed.

 

[Primetime42]

Ware was on the same side as Canty so Canty NEVER saw double teams. In Wade's system, off the top of my head, Luis Castillo, Shane Dronett and Marcellus friggin Wiley all averaged over 10 sacks a season from Canty's spot. You can throw Bruce Smith in there as well.

How did Canty do? Three sack in 2 season in Wade's D and he was awful for the first half of last season, a contact year.

Giants were robbed.

Why'd you change your username?

 

[BBWC]

You don't know jack about Wade's D. Here's a hint: its not a two gap system.

http://www.giants.com/multimedia/

Search for the 3.16 video of Chris Canty about the 3 minutes in, and then go learn some more about your own defense.

 

[ScipioCowboy]

You know your team better than I, but in interviews Canty clearly made mention that he was looking forward to rushing the QB on a more consistent basis on the Giants defense. And I'd also like to point out that when I said Canty's job was to mainly hold the point of attack, it came with a stipulation that his role would obviously change according to down and distance. No point in eating up blocks on 3rd and 20, your job is to get penetration.

This is the key point you continue to miss.

Wade Phillips utilizes a one-gap scheme; therefore, the linemen are seeking to penetrate rather than hold blocks.

Furthermore, on obvious passing downs (such as 3rd and 20), the Cowboys go to a four-man line, much like the Giants.

Canty is a solid player, but he's not (and likely never will be) dominant, especially as a pass rusher. He's prone to getting turned sideways.

 

[Primetime42]

http://www.giants.com/multimedia/

Search for the 3.16 video of Chris Canty about the 3 minutes in, and then go learn some more about your own defense.

 

[BBWC]

Who get's mad discussing football on a message board? This is a great time filler before lunch.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

http://www.giants.com/multimedia/

Search for the 3.16 video of Chris Canty about the 3 minutes in, and then go learn some more about your own defense.

I actually went to the trouble to look up that video. What was that supposed to tell us about our defense? A studio interview of some dork interviewing him about how happy he is to be a Giant?

Yes, he was asked to hold up linemen in college in Groh's system and his first couple of years here with Parcells (who strangely didn't lift a finger to sign this phenomenal talent), but he was asked to do a lot more than that the last two years. And last year, he didn't do much of anything.

And have I already mentioned the epic stupidity of attributing any of Demarcus Ware's success to Chris Freaking Canty?

Canty doesn't suck, and he's a good enough guy. (Though I do get a weird vibe from him since he became a Giant... Kind of too cool for school, which surprises me.) What I was really laughing at was your claim that he is twice the player Olshansky is.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Why'd you change your username?

cause i wanted to and my girlfriend said it made me sound like some big fat hairy slob.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

http://www.giants.com/multimedia/

Search for the 3.16 video of Chris Canty about the 3 minutes in, and then go learn some more about your own defense.

Canty says a lot things but Marcellus Wiley was 10x the player Canty was in Wade's D and Wiley sucks.

 

[Primetime42]

cause i wanted to and my girlfriend said it made me sound like some big fat hairy slob.

Because FuzzBuster is so much sexier.

 

[Givincer]

Both QBs were faily good. Romo missing 3 games plus the broken finger surely didn't help but still but up good numbers. While Eli is the proven of the 2 with the superbowl win I would say both QBs are equal.

Just looking at the overall offensive stats I don't understand why the Cowboys can't put up a good fight in any game and at least challenge for the top. Why this whole 8-8 at best, no play off spots, bottom of the barrell stuff is what everyone is predicting is beyond me.

Look at the stats themselves, do you honestly not believe we can't put up a good season?

The absurdity of this analysis is astounding.

These two quarterbacks are not equal.

The most important metrics of quarterback play all indicate Romo is better. And not just by a little bit. It's not close.

And for those who think the quarterback position wins and loses games (like those who might say the fact that Manning has a superbowl win puts him on the same level), Romo is 4-1 vs. Manning.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Because FuzzBuster is so much sexier.

it has many many connotations.

 

[Verdict]

Games aren't won on paper. Right now, we are a 9-7 team coming off a game where we undeniably quit with the playoffs on the line. How anyone can look at this year's team and start throwing around 11 or 12 wins and the NFC Championship Game is beyond me. We're an 8-8 team right now until proven otherwise.

Actually we are 0 and 0 right now until the season starts. You state your "guess" at our upcoming season record as if it is a "fact". Keep in mind that your prediction is a guess, or opinion, not a fact. How many games we won and lost last year are facts. How well the Cowboys do this year is conjecture at this point, but definitely not anywhere near a "fact".

 

[ryanbabs]

Giants have played in 3 superbowls this decade and are 2-1 and defeated a team that was 16-0.

Hands down the Giants have been far more sucessful than the cowboys in the past 10 years.

Giants> Cowboys until we prove other wise

deal with it.

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Okay, did I miss something? The Giants have only played in two Super Bowls this decade (XXXV vs. Ravens and XLII vs. Pats).

 

[SkinsFan28]

Is it September yet?

 

[Rampage]

I've seen him perform against the Giants, I've read reports from our coaching staff and offensive lineman who called him one of the most difficult players to defend against, he was always a nightmare against the Giants whenever the two teams faced off. According to Parcells; he's a high character, highly motivated guy. Now it's your turn, tell me how much he sucks...

yeah that's cause that's the only time he really had any impact for our team was against the Giants.

 

[chinch]

Dallas will win 11 games, maybe 12.
Contend for division, maybe a first round bye.

perfect followup to analysis with Amani Toomor as the NYG WR. ROTFLMAO :laugh2: