Gibbs rumor train heating up

[Croomraider]

If Gibbs really is the hype that everyone in this forum thinks, Gibbs will go to Falcons!
Cowboys should take Bijan and all of you Gibbs fans will thank me later when you realize
Bijan has better hands and blocking skills then Gibbs.

 

[Typhus]

If Gibbs really is the hype that everyone in this forum thinks, Gibbs will go to Falcons!
Cowboys should take Bijan and all of you Gibbs fans will thank me later when you realize
Bijan has better hands and blocking skills then Gibbs.

I don't think anyone is debating that, but Gibbs has a realistic chance of making it to 26.

 

[tyke1doe]

I’m imagining the team with Pollard and Davis competing with a mid round selection like Kendre Miller. RoJo is making basically nothing and he was signed as a backup insurance option. He might even get cut.

Davis / Miller would be an upgrade over what we got out of Zeke last year and I’m feeling great about our running game without having to blow a 1st round pick on a complimentary RB.

We felt great about our receiving corps to prior to the 2022 season. I don't know if the Cowboys brass is ready to trust its running game to unknown and unhailed backs.

But we shall see soon, shant we?

 

[Smith22]

I just feel like being at 26 this draft isn't ideal. It will be too early to draft some guys, but those same guys most likely won't be there for us in the late 2nd.

 

[beware_d-ware]

If Miami wants to trade up with us for Gibbs, they can be my guest.

Going off the Johnson trade value chart, our 1st is worth 700 points and their 2nd at #51 is worth 390. The added value needed to square that trade is equal to pick #59... Miami doesn't have anywhere close to that kind of ammo.

I don't know if I could get a future 1st out of that trade. But I'd want their 2, their 3 (#84, worth 170 points), and next year's 2. With my pair of second rounders this year, I'd probably go looking for two of Benton, Avila, LaPorta, or Cam Smith.

The smarter move for Miami is to stay put and take Achane. Even at #51 if they really want a speed-back that badly. He is a perfect scheme fit for McDaniel in the Mostert role, and putting him on the field with Tyfreak and Waddle probably gives you the fastest skill position group in NFL history.

 

[Carson]

If Miami wants to trade up with us for Gibbs, they can be my guest.

Going off the Johnson trade value chart, our 1st is worth 700 points and their 2nd at #51 is worth 390. The added value needed to square that trade is equal to pick #59... Miami doesn't have anywhere close to that kind of ammo.

I don't know if I could get a future 1st out of that trade. But I'd want their 2, their 3 (#84, worth 170 points), and next year's 2. With my pair of second rounders this year, I'd probably go looking for two of Benton, Avila, LaPorta, or Cam Smith.

The smarter move for Miami is to stay put and take Achane. Even at #51 if they really want a speed-back that badly. He is a perfect scheme fit for McDaniel in the Mostert role, and putting him on the field with Tyfreak and Waddle probably gives you the fastest skill position group in NFL history.

Don’t tempt Miami. They’ll dangle Cedrick Wilson in the trade and we will get fleeced. Jerry loves Ced

 

[cnuball21]

We felt great about our receiving corps to prior to the 2022 season. I don't know if the Cowboys brass is ready to trust its running game to unknown and unhailed backs.

But we shall see soon, shant we?

We did not feel great about our WR corp heading into the 2022 season…you might have, I felt it to be one of the biggest weaknesses of the team.

TP was one of the best RBs in football last year. As long as he’s healthy him + a solid mid rounder gives us a great 1/2 punch.

 

[gimmesix]

I don’t think the Eagles will be drafting a 1st rd back, they never do. As for Gibbs, I personally like to pair up speed with power

I don't think there's any kind of measure that shows it matters. The key is to pair good with good.

 

[Cowboyny]

I don't think there's any kind of measure that shows it matters. The key is to pair good with good.

Changing up forces the defense to adjust. Every team has a different strategy

 

[gimmesix]

Changing up forces the defense to adjust. Every team has a different strategy

Just because you've got two speed backs doesn't mean they are the same. But even if they are, Pollard averaged 5.2 per carry last year and was a game-breaking threat. I'm OK hitting teams with that and then hitting them when he's on the sidelines with another back who can do the same. Constant pressure, no letup.

 

[Kwyn]

I would be shocked if Pollard comes close to what he did last year on ypc. I worry about his burst.

 

[Cowboyny]

Just because you've got two speed backs doesn't mean they are the same. But even if they are, Pollard averaged 5.2 per carry last year and was a game-breaking threat. I'm OK hitting teams with that and then hitting them when he's on the sidelines with another back who can do the same. Constant pressure, no letup.

You can be effective with both strategies. I do think though the Cowboys are looking for more of a power back, Stephen Jones said that a few weeks ago

 

[TasteMyScythe]

I would prefer to trade back and select Gibbs, but with the Bills and Bengals right behind us I think if we want him then you take him at 26. If both Mayer and Kincade are off the board I can see the Bengals taking Gibbs.
I hear a lot of talk about RB's not having value as a 1st round pick, but that depends on how you look at it...RB is the most instinctive position on the field and rookies come in to the league every year and play well unlike other "playmaker" positions such as WR and TE that take 2, usually 3 years to develop...Gibbs gives us that added weapon right away. Sure, we can get a RB later, but none are as explosive as Gibbs, nor do they give you that 5th year.
Supposedly, we are going to be running more of a "west coast" offense with the idea of stretching defense horizontally...having Pollard and Gibbs who can constantly get around the corner will have defenses leaning and with their ability to catch the ball makes them a perfect fit for the scheme.

 

[Gaede]

Why are similar skill sets is such a negative when the skills are so dynamic. One of those similar players had a YPC of 5.2 and +1300 yards last year as a part time back with low usage early. These guys are unique because they have high level multi position flex.

Keep them on the field together as much as possible, give them 35ish total touches combined and you can create big mismatches, expand the field, and give them space where their skills really shine. And probably improve Dak’s performance to boot.

RB early is not my preference either but I’m open minded enough to see the possibilities.

Exactly. The game is different now, and one of the most important things is to create matchup problems. Pollard and Gibbs both do that on their own. Together, they would really stress the defense.

 

[baltcowboy]

Seems like a strange post, but It's a very valid question.

I don't put too much meaning into it, but Bama played K-State in Sugar Bowl:
The Deuce Vaughn...22 carries...133 yards
The "One" Gibbs...15 carries...76 yards

Gibbs sure did compensate as receiver: 2 catches for 66 yards.

For value 2 > 1. Deuce, seriously could be a better choice.

I would take Deuce in the 5th and be very happy.

 

[Cebrin]

I think drafting the RB is fine. It’s paying them a big contract when the rookie deal is up is the problem.

Long term? Of course it’s a bad investment but the Dak window is closing and if Dallas is ever going to win anything with him we will need an explosive run game to do it.

I think Jahmyr Gibbs is one of the most Dak friendly players in this draft.

A 5’10 QB is going #1 and he did a lot of checking down to Jahmyr Gibbs.

So I’m cool with a guard or whatever but the only player I see changing that game at San Fran is Bijan or Gibbs. Maybe even Achane.

Good points. Having him 5 years puts Dak at 34/35 years old. The window is certainly shrinking, and this defense won't be this dominant forever. Paying all of these young guys within the next few years makes getting impact, explosive players on offense now a very necessary decision.

 

[Gaede]

I would take Deuce in the 5th and be very happy.

Same here. I wonder if he's an option, even though his dad is a scout here.

 

[Typhus]

If Miami wants to trade up with us for Gibbs, they can be my guest.

Going off the Johnson trade value chart, our 1st is worth 700 points and their 2nd at #51 is worth 390. The added value needed to square that trade is equal to pick #59... Miami doesn't have anywhere close to that kind of ammo.

I don't know if I could get a future 1st out of that trade. But I'd want their 2, their 3 (#84, worth 170 points), and next year's 2. With my pair of second rounders this year, I'd probably go looking for two of Benton, Avila, LaPorta, or Cam Smith.

The smarter move for Miami is to stay put and take Achane. Even at #51 if they really want a speed-back that badly. He is a perfect scheme fit for McDaniel in the Mostert role, and putting him on the field with Tyfreak and Waddle probably gives you the fastest skill position group in NFL history.

Have no issue either, just better bring nice value in terurn.
This draft is going to pop a player out at 26, its too stacked IMO not to.
Teams get QB hungry, and there are going to be QB needing teams chasing some of these QBs, going earlier than they should.
I have seen every scenario available and it always seems that a steal is sitting in the back half of this first round.

 

[Typhus]

I would prefer to trade back and select Gibbs, but with the Bills and Bengals right behind us I think if we want him then you take him at 26. If both Mayer and Kincade are off the board I can see the Bengals taking Gibbs.
I hear a lot of talk about RB's not having value as a 1st round pick, but that depends on how you look at it...RB is the most instinctive position on the field and rookies come in to the league every year and play well unlike other "playmaker" positions such as WR and TE that take 2, usually 3 years to develop...Gibbs gives us that added weapon right away. Sure, we can get a RB later, but none are as explosive as Gibbs, nor do they give you that 5th year.
Supposedly, we are going to be running more of a "west coast" offense with the idea of stretching defense horizontally...having Pollard and Gibbs who can constantly get around the corner will have defenses leaning and with their ability to catch the ball makes them a perfect fit for the scheme.

Peeps get to hung up on round and not specific slotting.
" I would never draft another RB in the 1st round".
Its a very narrow and simplistic approach to placing a true player value.

 

[cnuball21]

Peeps get to hung up on round and not specific slotting.
" I would never draft another RB in the 1st round".
Its a very narrow and simplistic approach to placing a true player value.

I’d argue it’s roster building 101.