Twitter: Gil Brandt tweet re: Chaz Green

[FuzzyLumpkins]

You attempted to sound smart. You failed.

The consensus opinion wasn't really talented player but often injured. If it was, you'd have a point. It wasn't, so you don't.

That is not consensus. That is your pet cat draft sites and yourself participating in group think. I can think of several draftniks who said he would be a 2nd or 3rd rounder but for the injuries.

You do this every year. I guess it's too much to consider that your sites are not NFL clubs who could actually form a meaningful consensus to go by. Nevermind your poll does not constitute a consensus. And you call me self-important.

 

[Risen Star]

Says the guy who says Hitch can't play.

Hitch is a JAG. I'll remind you of this later when even you know it.

Now back to your initial response. Where you, who don't even know the player, are pretending he was a top talent who was lightly regarded because of injury. Cedric Ogbuehi suffered a serious knee injury last year. Yet he never left anyone's top 50 and was drafted in the first round. Because Ogbeuhi was viewed as a top talent. Teams will risk the pick if the talent is there.

So, back to my original correct statement that you just didn't understand because I forgot more about the draft than you'll know. I wonder why a guy who could put up those kind of stats at a school like Florida could be so lightly regarded?

Don't misunderstand. I'm not asking you directly. That would be a waste of my time.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Hitch is a JAG. I'll remind you of this later when even you know it.

Now back to your initial response. Where you, who don't even know the player, are pretending he was a top talent who was lightly regarded because of injury. Cedric Ogbuehi suffered a serious knee injury last year. Yet he never left anyone's top 50 and was drafted in the first round. Because Ogbeuhi was viewed as a top talent. Teams will risk the pick if the talent is there.

So, back to my original correct statement that you just didn't understand because I forgot more about the draft than you'll know. I wonder why a guy who could put up those kind of stats at a school like Florida could be so lightly regarded?

Don't misunderstand. I'm not asking you directly. That would be a waste of my time.

No one ever compared Ogbuehi to Green. And I wanted Ogbuehi to fall to us ironically if we didn't get Gurley.

Further many reviews I read mentioned Chaz' injury history. It was clearly a factor. Looks like the Cowboys looked at his play and he checked out medically and that is why he is a 3rd rounder.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Hitch is a JAG. I'll remind you of this later when even you know it.

Now back to your initial response. Where you, who don't even know the player, are pretending he was a top talent who was lightly regarded because of injury. Cedric Ogbuehi suffered a serious knee injury last year. Yet he never left anyone's top 50 and was drafted in the first round. Because Ogbeuhi was viewed as a top talent. Teams will risk the pick if the talent is there.

So, back to my original correct statement that you just didn't understand because I forgot more about the draft than you'll know. I wonder why a guy who could put up those kind of stats at a school like Florida could be so lightly regarded?

Don't misunderstand. I'm not asking you directly. That would be a waste of my time.

IOW, you have to be fed the narrative from your draft sites beforehand for it to be valid.

 

[Risen Star]

No one ever compared Ogbuehi to Green. And I wanted Ogbuehi to fall to us ironically if we didn't get Gurley.

Further many reviews I read mentioned Chaz' injury history. It was clearly a factor. Looks like the Cowboys looked at his play and he checked out medically and that is why he is a 3rd rounder.

It was a factor but it was not the sole reason why most had him in the 5th-7th round area. A guy who shuts out pass rushers for an entire season at Florida shouldn't be a late round grade based off of injuries alone. Is this your first draft experience?

The Raiders looked at his play, and he checked out medically and that is why Mike Mitchell was a 2nd round pick for them. What does that mean? Were you reading allowed from the fanbook?

We're at the point now where I'm hitting you with your own hands.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

08/13/2014 - Other Florida prospects worth watching: OT Chaz Green, RS Senior...Green, an 18-game starter for the Gators over the past three years, was the first of Florida's offensive linemen to suffer a major injury in 2013, tearing a labrum in August that caused him to miss the entire season. Green also missed games due to injury in 2012 and 2011. While scouts will want to investigate Green's troubling struggles with durability, he sports an athletic frame with long arms and light feet and could re-emerge as a legitimate draftable commodity with a return to health. - Rob Rang, NFLDraftScout.com

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/archive/1737230

Projected Round (2015): 4-6.
4/27/15: Green had a solid 2014 season for Florida. He even played some left tackle while D.J. Humphries was out with an injury. Green is a strong run-blocker and dependable in pass protection. He didn't have his best game against Missouri, but he bounced back with a superb outing against Georgia as he was part of an offensive line that dominated the Bulldogs' defense with the Gators running for over 400 yards on the ground. Green also did well against LSU and Florida State. While not many know about him, Green is a sleeper pick who could be a third-day steal.

8/27/14: Green was injured in 2013's fall camp and went out for the season with a torn labrum. Florida missed him all year as their offensive line was dreadful. He made the wise decision to return to Florida rather than enter the 2014 NFL Draft.

Green had a solid sophomore season at right tackle for the Gators. Florida had a lot of success running the ball with Mike Gillislee in 2012 and Green was an integral part of the team's tough ground game. There were times where he had some problems in pass protection. Florida State's Bjoern Werner destroyed him in their matchup.

http://BAN-INCOMING-IN-3-2-1/draft2015OT.php

Strengths: Very good size. Good athletic ability. Takes good angles to seal and wall off. Plays hard and competes. Strong football character. Experienced, three-year starter in the Southeastern Conference. Versatile and had played on both edges.

Weaknesses: Soft run blocker. Is not stout. Lets defenders come up and underneath him and cross his face and struggles to anchor. Tends to play too upright. Gives up too much ground n pass protection - can be walked back against power. Raw footwork in his kickslide and vary inconsistent hand placement and overall technique. Average lateral agility for the left side - gave up too much pressure vs. Alabama. Durability has been an issue.

Future: A big, finesse swing tackle prospect that has struggled to stay healthy in college and lacks the ideal core strength for the front lines. Could be very well suited for a backup role in a zone-blocking scheme and has enough talent and desire to develop.

Draft projection: Late draftable pick

http://www.bloggingtheboys.com/2015/4/18/8448457/cowboys-2015-draft-targets-florida-ot-chaz-green

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

What's obvious from reading this is that there was no consensus. Nawrocki didn't like him. Walterfootball had him as a sleeper ranked as high as 4. Brugler has come out and said he had him from film as a day 2 pick but docked him due to recurring injuries.

Risen's assertion that there is a consensus on Green does not stand to scrutiny.

How many medical reports from Green's examinations do you think the cottage industry were privy to? I'm going with none.

 

[AzorAhai]

Reports were that he was going to be drafted higher than the cottage industry expected and there were concerns about Cummings foot and Collins freedom pushing him up the prospect list. Nevermind that OL have been overdrafted for years now according to said cottage industry. When Flowers went 9 it should have been a clue.

I absolutely loved that Flowers pick, at least from a Cowboys standpoint. I did not like Flowers one bit on film compared to where he went. Footwork and balance problems and looked real stiff, particularly trying to deal with a speed edge rush. I didn't have him in my top 50 and think he struggles in the NFL. Then again, what do I know, I don't get paid to scout for a reason lol.

 

[dallasdave]

You attempted to sound smart. You failed.

The consensus opinion wasn't really talented player but often injured. If it was, you'd have a point. It wasn't, so you don't.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

I absolutely loved that Flowers pick, at least from a Cowboys standpoint. I did not like Flowers one bit on film compared to where he went. Footwork and balance problems and looked real stiff, particularly trying to deal with a speed edge rush. I didn't have him in my top 50 and think he struggles in the NFL. Then again, what do I know, I don't get paid to scout for a reason lol.

I remember being pleased as well. Pugh and Flowers. There is a Pepe Lepew joke in there.

I look at him more favorably than you but he is a poor man's Fluker in my eyes and that is not a bad thing unless that is what you are picking in the top 10.

 

[dallasdave]

Hitch is a JAG. I'll remind you of this later when even you know it.

Now back to your initial response. Where you, who don't even know the player, are pretending he was a top talent who was lightly regarded because of injury. Cedric Ogbuehi suffered a serious knee injury last year. Yet he never left anyone's top 50 and was drafted in the first round. Because Ogbeuhi was viewed as a top talent. Teams will risk the pick if the talent is there.

So, back to my original correct statement that you just didn't understand because I forgot more about the draft than you'll know. I wonder why a guy who could put up those kind of stats at a school like Florida could be so lightly regarded?

Don't misunderstand. I'm not asking you directly. That would be a waste of my time.

Great post and well said indeed sir.

 

[dallasdave]

It was a factor but it was not the sole reason why most had him in the 5th-7th round area. A guy who shuts out pass rushers for an entire season at Florida shouldn't be a late round grade based off of injuries alone. Is this your first draft experience?

The Raiders looked at his play, and he checked out medically and that is why Mike Mitchell was a 2nd round pick for them. What does that mean? Were you reading allowed from the fanbook?

We're at the point now where I'm hitting you with your own hands.

I can't stop laughing, that was the best !!!

 

[theogt]

It doesn't really matter to me what some random people on the internet who are bored enough to start their own website think. You can watch his games -- full games -- online. Just the same, I don't expect anyone to care one bit about my opinion of the player, but having watched his games, I am extremely happy with the pick and fully expect him to start at RT in 2016.

 

[Oh_Canada]

I've got nothing against Chaz, but I watched the draft go by and saw OL after OL go through the 1st 3 rounds. Even though draft position isn't a lock as an indicator of future performance, I have to think that if he was really slated to start any time soon, he'd have gone earlier. 20 other O linemen were picked before him, so that tempers my expectations. If he's able to play to Free's level in 2 years, that'll do.

After landing Jones, Gregory and Collins, I think of the rest of the draft as gravy. We have some good prospects drafted in rounds 3-7, but if those 3 guys pan out like we hope, the 2015 draft will go down as a great one regardless on the rest of the guys.

Seriously? Twenty other lineman went ahead of him so it's impossible to think he'll start soon? I hope you realize the QB wasn't drafted and the stud free agent DE who had 15 sacks two years ago was drafted in the sixth.
If Green stays healthy he starts in his second year.

 

[coult44]

this is a good foundation to build on.

Very impressive!!!

 

[AsthmaField]

So, back to my original correct statement that you just didn't understand because I forgot more about the draft than you'll know.

Well, at least you admit your memory is going.

Kudos.

 

[TwentyOne]

this is a good foundation to build on.

Was he on the sideline warming the bench ?

Sry i couldnt resist. Actually i like the pick.

 

[burmafrd]

I still think he was over drafted but what is is. Give him a year to improve and learn and we will see.

 

[theogt]

Well, at least you admit your memory is going.

Kudos.

Zing!

 

[big dog cowboy]

You mean he can actually play football?