Ginn runs in the 4.4s --Updated

[FLcowboy]

that is just one of the many reasons I am not a big fan of excessive endzone celebrations. what a shame that it could cost him millions.

Well, I just hope he doesn't cost the Cowboys millions. Just how good can he be if he gets injured in an end zone celebration, and still can't run 3 months later?

I hope the Boys feel the same, and pass him by.`

 

[jackrussell]

Let me rephrase...in this case "us" should be "Ireland."

What do they know....they let a potato beat'em down.

 

[btcutter]

We all know that high ankle sprains involve long recovery times.


Where have you guys been?

He ran a 4.38 after just coming off a high ankle sprain that has not allowed him to work out very hard. This is just silliness!

Exactly, remember JJ in 2005 when Parcells tried to rush him back?

As long as the docs clears him, I hope he drops all the way to 22.

 

[Big Dakota]

matt mosley(on espn103.3 with gac) said the cowboys were way down on ginn.

he didnt say why.

he said they love reggie nelson and it might be nelson or a trade down.

Interesting, for what it's worth.

I would be perfectly fine with Nelson. I'm not sold in any way on Watkins(biggest negative on him last year was his coverage ability) and Hamlins biggest knock is his coverage as well. This is a draft where we can truely afford to take the best playmaker, regardless of possition and if Ireland thinks it's a FS so be it.

 

[btcutter]

Interesting, for what it's worth.

I would be perfectly fine with Nelson. I'm not sold in any way on Watkins(biggest negative on him last year was his coverage ability) and Hamlins biggest knock is his coverage as well. This is a draft where we can truely afford to take the best playmaker, regardless of possition and if Ireland thinks it's a FS so be it.

Ginn, Nelson or Merriweather (bit concerned about charcter) but all are playmakers. I would love to get one of them at our pick!

Merriweather maybe a better fit for us than Nelson since he plays all 4 positions fairly well at the U and a natural centerfielder.

 

[tomson75]

I too was a big fan of Nelson...sadly, I've let the draft alter my opinion somewhat. Did you guys watch him run? He looked so labored during the forty I thought he might pass out. The guy seems to do it on the field (where its important), but if I'm gonna use my first pick on a safety, he better look good on the field, on the sidelines, in the gym, on the track, in his car, sitting down, playing volleyball, and with a pancake on his head. JMHO>

It'd blow my mind if we pick up another gamble at FS.

Meachem looks better and better to me every day. So does Houston.

 

[tomson75]

Ginn, Nelson or Merriweather (bit concerned about charcter) but all are playmakers. I would love to get one of them at our pick!

Merriweather maybe a better fit for us than Nelson since he plays all 4 positions fairly well at the U and a natural centerfielder.

I'd take Merriweather over Nelson too...at least for the cowboys.

 

[speedkilz88]

I too was a big fan of Nelson...sadly, I've let the draft alter my opinion somewhat. Did you guys watch him run? He looked so labored during the forty I thought he might pass out. The guy seems to do it on the field (where its important), but if I'm gonna use my first pick on a safety, he better look good on the field, on the sidelines, in the gym, on the track, in his car, sitting down, playing volleyball, and with a pancake on his head. JMHO>

It'd blow my mind if we pick up another gamble at FS.

Meachem looks better and better to me every day. So does Houston.

I'm against going safety in the first round(would rather draft OLB, WR, CB or Branch if he falls), but Nelson just had a bad combine for whatever reason. He ran a 4.35 in his college workout a couple weeks later. Speed is not his problem.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I too was a big fan of Nelson...sadly, I've let the draft alter my opinion somewhat. Did you guys watch him run? He looked so labored during the forty I thought he might pass out. The guy seems to do it on the field (where its important), but if I'm gonna use my first pick on a safety, he better look good on the field, on the sidelines, in the gym, on the track, in his car, sitting down, playing volleyball, and with a pancake on his head. JMHO>

I haven't heard one bad review of Nelson's workouts other than yours. In fact, most people rave about his athletic ability.

Some of you are going to have to wake up and pull yourselves into the year 2007 and realize that FS's, espeically those that can cover TE's, are extremely important these days. Maybe when TE's were typically running in the 4.8's they weren't that big of a deal, but the evolution of the TE has totally revolutionized the game in the last 5 years. There are now teams who win 12-14 games (New England, San Diego) with their TE as their main receiving threat. Seriously, its time to drop the old 1982 adage of "you don't draft a FS high", and look around and notice that three free safeties were drafted in the first round last year, including two in the Top 10 picks. Another will be drafted in the top 10 this year, and probably two in the top 15. The game is changing. Let's try to keep up.

 

[Big Dakota]

Ginn, Nelson or Merriweather (bit concerned about charcter) but all are playmakers. I would love to get one of them at our pick!

Merriweather maybe a better fit for us than Nelson since he plays all 4 positions fairly well at the U and a natural centerfielder.

I couldn't agree more. I think Meriweather fits better for the reason you listed, but then again i'm a layman. His off field issues may scare the Boys away.

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Although it's been well documented that I prefer Dallas to draft a OLB/DE at 22 I wouldn't cry if they chose a guy like Ginn Jr. simply because he can contribute immediately as a WR and a KR/PR specialist.

 

[tomson75]

I'm against going safety in the first round(would rather draft OLB, WR, CB or Branch if he falls), but Nelson just had a bad combine for whatever reason. He ran a 4.35 in his college workout a couple weeks later. Speed is not his problem.

I heard that he ran a 4.3 a few weeks later, and its not the actual time that bothers me...its the fact that he LOOKS so slow. He looks unnatural and awkward. Didn't look comfortable running a straight line nevermind using his hips. I'm not using a pick on a guy that isn't physically perfect for that position if I'm picking for the cowboys...too many past problems.

I don't want to go safety either, but besides landry, the only guy I'd consider at that position in this draft is Merriweather...he's just a better centerfielder, and a better fit for the cowboys.

Check out my "board" in the other thread, and you'll see that I want WR, CB, OLB, or Branch as well. Nelson is holding the back end down.

 

[Big Dakota]

I haven't heard one bad review of Nelson's workouts other than yours. In fact, most people rave about his athletic ability.

Some of you are going to have to wake up and pull yourselves into the year 2007 and realize that FS's, espeically those that can cover TE's, are extremely important these days. Maybe when TE's were typically running in the 4.8's they weren't that big of a deal, but the evolution of the TE has totally revolutionized the game in the last 5 years. There are now teams who win 12-14 games (New England, San Diego) with their TE as their main receiving threat.

Nail on the head!

With the way Wade's gonna play, he(FS) may very well be the second most important man behind the "Merriman" OLB on the entire D. It is absolutely paramount to get a ballhawk FS that can cover and make the proper calls. I'm not concerned about "stunting" Watkins , he was a 5th and it's dog eat dog for him, and Hamlin's on a 1 year deal with coverage questions as well. We need Roy to basically play a LB role a lot of the time so someone's gonna have to cover back there besides the CBs.

 

[Tra_Col99]

Better picture of the ankle break celebration...

 

[tomson75]

I haven't heard one bad review of Nelson's workouts other than yours. In fact, most people rave about his athletic ability.

Some of you are going to have to wake up and pull yourselves into the year 2007 and realize that FS's, espeically those that can cover TE's, are extremely important these days. Maybe when TE's were typically running in the 4.8's they weren't that big of a deal, but the evolution of the TE has totally revolutionized the game in the last 5 years. There are now teams who win 12-14 games (New England, San Diego) with their TE as their main receiving threat. Seriously, its time to drop the old 1982 adage of "you don't draft a FS high", and look around and notice that three free safeties were drafted in the first round last year, including two in the Top 10 picks. Another will be drafted in the top 10 this year, and probably two in the top 15. The game is changing. Let's try to keep up.

I never said he wasn't athletic. I said he looks unnatural and slow. That doesn't even mean he is. I'm not trying to spread my word as gospel here.

...IMO, I just wouldn't use a first round on a position we've "addressed" several times in the last few years (including the recent free agency period), UNLESS he's damn near perfect. Do yoiu think Nelson fits our defense that well? If you do, then we simply disagree. If I were drafting for most other teams, this wouldn't always be the case...but for the cowboys it is. I'm holding out for a true centerfield coverage "can cover the slot" type safety...not just a "playmaker."

I'm not against going for a safety in rond one becasue of the whole "safties shouldn't be drafted in the early round" or the "too much money in the secondary" arguments. I just don't think Nelson fits here. Maybe we'll find out. If I have to eat crow, I gladly will .

 

[Big Dakota]

Better picture of the ankle break celebration...

Ya, i've seen kinder, gentler muggings

 

[ThreeSportStar80]

Better picture of the ankle break celebration...

As I've told folks before Ginn Jr. isn't the celebratory kind of person... Teammates are responsible for that injury not Ginn Jr.

 

[junk]

Seriously, its time to drop the old 1982 adage of "you don't draft a FS high", and look around and notice that three free safeties were drafted in the first round last year, including two in the Top 10 picks. Another will be drafted in the top 10 this year, and probably two in the top 15. The game is changing. Let's try to keep up.

Or realize that the two safeties drafted in the top 10 are actually strong safeties and that the FS drafted in 1 couldn't sniff the field.

There are plenty of fine safeties in the NFL who were drafted in places other than the first round.

Ed Reed is a great player, but his job is a lot easier when you have Terrell Suggs, Bart Scott, Peter Boulware, Ray Lewis, Trevor Pryce and Haloti Ngata in front of you.

I still think you need to use premium picks on premium positions......and FS isn't a premium position.

 

[doomsday81]

If a team is interested just watch the film.

Agree 100 percent. I don't need to see Ginn run a 40-yard dash in shorts. He's the fastest football player in this draft by a mile. He has Deion speed where he just runs for fun and if someone starts gaining on him, then he actually turns on the jets. He's probably the fastest college football player I've ever seen. I think it's comical that he's falling and Gonzalez is rising when Gonzalez can't carry his jock. You gotta love the draft.

 

[junk]

Nail on the head!

With the way Wade's gonna play, he(FS) may very well be the second most important man behind the "Merriman" OLB on the entire D. It is absolutely paramount to get a ballhawk FS that can cover and make the proper calls. I'm not concerned about "stunting" Watkins , he was a 5th and it's dog eat dog for him, and Hamlin's on a 1 year deal with coverage questions as well. We need Roy to basically play a LB role a lot of the time so someone's gonna have to cover back there besides the CBs.

Right. I noticed that Wade used the legendary Marlon McCree as his FS last year......a former 7th round pick who defines "journeyman".