Give Credit, where credit is due...Jerry/Spencer

[john van brocklin]

To the OP.....are you suggesting the Cowboys franchised Spencer to protect themselves in the event he got hurt? That makes no sense to me. Paying someone 10m suggests you feel as if you cannot find anyone better....or you cannot live without the talent. So THEY very much want/wanted to Spencer. Just like they thought they could not live without Newman his last year....and we know how that ended. Now Newman is playing for what he is truly worth...and not what we paid him. And next year Spencer will probably play for what he is worth....and it will not be 10m.

You don't need me to tell you what most of us have KNOWN for years....Jerry is NOT a real GM. He owns the team...and because of that....he can assume any title/position on the team he wants....that is WHY he is the GM. His track record as the GM would have gotten him fired YEARS ago...even he admitted so.

Yes the cowboys did try and work out a longterm deal.
But instead of giving in and overpaying like in the past they walked away.
They deserve credit for that, that's all I am saying.
Maybe it's a start to better front office decisions...
Let's hope for the best !

See where I said maybe it's a start ?
I would have fired Jerry the GM a long time ago !
I am hopeful that maybe this will be the first of some better decision making by the front office.
After years of aweful decisions I can see why everyone is pessimistic though.

 

[Risen Star]

Nnamdi Asomugha was one of the best DBs in the NFL the season prior to that and played at a position of extreme weakness for the Cowboys. NOBODY knew he was going to disappear after he got paid.

I knew he was an irrelevant player who would provide zero impact to his new team. I knew that his next contract would be one of the worst in sports. Anybody who shared a board with me at the time knows that I knew. This isn't hindsight here.

Your GM tried his best to make sure that ginormous mistake was in Dallas. Reports were he offered more than the Eagles. He just has no clue whatsoever of what he's doing. To me this Spencer situation is the same thing.

 

[Nightman]

Dallas, Spencer, Chicago and Henry Melton all lost this week. The Franchise Tag can work out, but if injuries happen it can be bad news for all parties. Now Dallas and Chicago get nothing for 2013 and the players will hit FA as big time question marks. There is no good way to prepare for season ending injuries. Dallas didn't get lucky by not signing Spencer to a new deal, his 10.6m is wasted this year.

 

[Hoofbite]

And didn't the Cowboys try to work out a long term deal with Spencer?

Yeah, it wasn't because of a lack of effort. Spencer was just really shooting for the moon.

 

[Zekeats]

If the front office got it right they would NOT have franchised him. They would have been better off with their choice of Freeney, Osi, Dumervil, ect for half the price and would have had 4-6 million left to spend on the offensive line.

 

[tm1119]

So not making moves that are obviously really bad ideas is what we are commending our GM for nowadays? Its the small things I guess.....

 

[lane]

Don't worry. If Spencer makes the Pro Bowl with another team, there will be plenty of posters who will excoriate Jerry for letting him walk.

even though the pro bowl is a silly popularity contest anyway..

it's like american idol.

i guarantee spencer will never make another one.

 

[mmohican29]

I knew he was an irrelevant player who would provide zero impact to his new team. I knew that his next contract would be one of the worst in sports. Anybody who shared a board with me at the time knows that I knew. This isn't hindsight here.

Your GM tried his best to make sure that ginormous mistake was in Dallas. Reports were he offered more than the Eagles. He just has no clue whatsoever of what he's doing. To me this Spencer situation is the same thing.

Yeah... no you didn't know that Nnamdi was an "irrelevent" player. That's a ridiculous statement.
And Jerry Jones is the GM of the Dallas Cowboys. The team of which you are a fan. So it's "Our" GM. And "Reports were"... is he reporting to you sir? If not who is? Perhaps we are missing out as a fanbase on a gifted mystic NFL executive in yourself.

 

[john van brocklin]

So not making moves that are obviously really bad ideas is what we are commending our GM for nowadays? Its the small things I guess.....

Some times the best deals are the ones you don't make.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

How is spending 10 million on him this year a good business decision? Good decision would of been a sign and trade or just letting him walk last summer...

..and go into the season with no one at DE opposite Ware?

 

[Hook'em#11]

IMO..

They would of got it "right" if they let him walk last season and let the chips fall where they may with another player.

I will give Jerry and Co. this one. Nice job fellas.

 

[L-O-Jete]

Some times the best deals are the ones you don't make.

The problem is he wanted to make it, his tagging was more for getting more time to negotiate than anything else.
He got lucky Spencer didn't take the contract he offered, he wasn't smart.

 

[starfrombirth]

To the OP.....are you suggesting the Cowboys franchised Spencer to protect themselves in the event he got hurt? That makes no sense to me. Paying someone 10m suggests you feel as if you cannot find anyone better....or you cannot live without the talent. So THEY very much want/wanted to Spencer. Just like they thought they could not live without Newman his last year....and we know how that ended. Now Newman is playing for what he is truly worth...and not what we paid him. And next year Spencer will probably play for what he is worth....and it will not be 10m.

You don't need me to tell you what most of us have KNOWN for years....Jerry is NOT a real GM. He owns the team...and because of that....he can assume any title/position on the team he wants....that is WHY he is the GM. His track record as the GM would have gotten him fired YEARS ago...even he admitted so.

No, they franchised him because they couldn't work out a deal with acceptable terms to the team. So, rather than let Spencer walk after a decent year, Jerry franchised him to see if he could play in our system and have more than 1 good season in a row. I think that's pretty smart thinking. Personally I would have just let him go but it's not my money and I would venture to guess that Jerry is a better businessman than I am since he is a self made billionaire and I'm wondering how to pay my mortgage this month.

 

[RoyTheHammer]

I knew he was an irrelevant player who would provide zero impact to his new team. I knew that his next contract would be one of the worst in sports. Anybody who shared a board with me at the time knows that I knew. This isn't hindsight here.

Your GM tried his best to make sure that ginormous mistake was in Dallas. Reports were he offered more than the Eagles. He just has no clue whatsoever of what he's doing. To me this Spencer situation is the same thing.

Its absoultely hindsight because no one "knew" how he would do on his new team. You may have had a guess, but to claim you knew how he would perform would make you more than human.. and i'd say you're borderline human at best.

 

[mmillman]

I have been hard on Jerry the GM (not the owner).
I think our front office really got it right not signing Spencer to a long term contract with a big signing bonus.
We dodged a really big bullit with Spencer going down for the season, and lets face it, he may never be the same player again.
I feel bad for him, and wish him a full recovery, but glad for the Cowboys that he will be off the books the end of the year.
So props to Jerry for making the right call !!!

really, Seahawks got Avril and Bennett for less than what they are paying spencer this season
you don't pay age in the NFL

 

[Verdict]

I knew he was an irrelevant player who would provide zero impact to his new team. I knew that his next contract would be one of the worst in sports. Anybody who shared a board with me at the time knows that I knew. This isn't hindsight here.

Your GM tried his best to make sure that ginormous mistake was in Dallas. Reports were he offered more than the Eagles. He just has no clue whatsoever of what he's doing. To me this Spencer situation is the same thing.

I don't think it was a stretch to say that many posters would have been concerned that Nmadi would underperform relative to the amount of money he would be paid in the open market. In other words, he was arguably in the top 5 of his position during the time he hit free agency, and about all the team that got him could expect is a guy to play up to what they were paying him, and all the risk was on the down side with very little possibility he could ever over perform his contract.

With that being said, if you can say that you KNEW with conviction that he would not only under perform his contract, but also not even be a decent player at his position when most NFL: personnel were falling all over each other to sign him, you need to make copies of all your posts, and other prognostications and send them to every NFL Franchise, and someone will put you on the payroll with that sort of ability to predict the future. Not even Dionne Warwick is that good.

 

[Verdict]

really, Seahawks got Avril and Bennett for less than what they are paying spencer this season
you don't pay age in the NFL

Hindsight is 20/20. The free agents in this class were pretty much all signed to a fraction of what they would normally command in free agency. Granted, Jerry overpaid for Spencer. It is possible that Jerry missed the memo that guys wouldn't be getting paid like they were accustomed to being paid. But in fairness, in year's past Jerry would have paid Spencer what he was asking. He didn't this time. I wasn't for paying Spencer big money. I was against him being franchised. I think he is overvalued for what he does. But personally, I think having him under a one year franchise tender is a lot better than a long term deal that he will never be able to complete. The best case scenario earlier this year would have been a cap friendly deal for a mid tier players salary and have him on the roster. But in a stroke of luck, it is possible that the franchise tender may turn out to be a lucky break.

As a side note. the hiring of Marinelli may make Spencer completely expendable. And you have to give Jerry props for that hire. It is looking pretty good so far.

 

[ShiningStar]

I have been hard on Jerry the GM (not the owner).
I think our front office really got it right not signing Spencer to a long term contract with a big signing bonus.
We dodged a really big bullit with Spencer going down for the season, and lets face it, he may never be the same player again.
I feel bad for him, and wish him a full recovery, but glad for the Cowboys that he will be off the books the end of the year.
So props to Jerry for making the right call !!!

i do and i will , when we have all learned thank you dallas for going back to the 4-3 and as i noted a year or two again (at times i thought i erred on it) Spencer is so good and so key to our defense that when hes gone, no one will notice. I think that has been stamped by the team.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Spencer never really did it for us.


Jerry gets no credit. Sorry.

I mean this in the most serious way. No jerry hating here.
I really wish he would find himself a distraction away from football operations.

A jerry reality show where he could have his attention drawn away from team... If only in the smallest way.
Just run the Dallas cowboys as a money machine.

 

[Risen Star]

I don't think it was a stretch to say that many posters would have been concerned that Nmadi would underperform relative to the amount of money he would be paid in the open market. In other words, he was arguably in the top 5 of his position during the time he hit free agency, and about all the team that got him could expect is a guy to play up to what they were paying him, and all the risk was on the down side with very little possibility he could ever over perform his contract.

With that being said, if you can say that you KNEW with conviction that he would not only under perform his contract, but also not even be a decent player at his position when most NFL: personnel were falling all over each other to sign him, you need to make copies of all your posts, and other prognostications and send them to every NFL Franchise, and someone will put you on the payroll with that sort of ability to predict the future. Not even Dionne Warwick is that good.

Maybe you need to read my response again. I said I knew he was an irrelevant player. Meaning I knew he stood no chance of being worth his next contract. Elite impact players get that kind of money. He impacts nothing.