Give Credit, where credit is due...Jerry/Spencer

[ShiningStar]

Maybe you need to read my response again. I said I knew he was an irrelevant player. Meaning I knew he stood no chance of being worth his next contract. Elite impact players get that kind of money. He impacts nothing.

he impacted the ground with his cleats and you know it sir, good day

 

[Verdict]

Maybe you need to read my response again. I said I knew he was an irrelevant player. Meaning I knew he stood no chance of being worth his next contract. Elite impact players get that kind of money. He impacts nothing.

Well, he was considered by most to be an elite player at the time of his contract, which is why he got paid as much as he did. I think most reasonable people would have agreed at the time his contract was signed that his upside was minimal and he would have had to perform at a pro bowl level to justify his contract and that still might have been over paying for him. I think him underperforming the value of his contract was a distinct possibility and wasn't really all that much of a stretch. But not many would have guessed he would be as irrelevant as he turned out to be. If you went on record before it happened and said he would suck like he did, then you need to start up your own psychic network.

 

[AbeBeta]

I have been hard on Jerry the GM (not the owner).
I think our front office really got it right not signing Spencer to a long term contract with a big signing bonus.
We dodged a really big bullit with Spencer going down for the season, and lets face it, he may never be the same player again.
I feel bad for him, and wish him a full recovery, but glad for the Cowboys that he will be off the books the end of the year.
So props to Jerry for making the right call !!!

You cannot credit someone for something they could not have foreseen. If Spencer and his agent had lesser demands (e.g., 5 years/30 mill with 12 of that guaranteed) we'd have that long term deal right now

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

No one got lucky on this except Spencer.
Jerra loses, the fans lose and Spencer sits back to count his money.

This might, however, be a learning moment for Jerra when paying a disgruntled player to stick around for one year.

 

[newlander]

Yes. While we're at it let's throw some love his way for not signing Nnamdi Asomugha. Pretty clever making him an offer he could refuse.

A good FO doesn't entertain either move.

Is NA even in the NFL any more? My gosh, the man got his money and all but quit...unreal.

 

[CanadianCowboysFan]

Yes Bob, we can always agree to disagree in a respectful manner.
I know we are all passionate about our 'Boys, but that does not mean we can't be gentlemen about it !

gentlemen is a fluid concept

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

How is spending 10 million on him this year a good business decision? Good decision would of been a sign and trade or just letting him walk last summer...

I don't know how this could not be the consensus opinion on the whole Spencer thing but, I guess it isn't.

Only thing I can figure is that Jerry figured after the surgery, they could sign him dirt cheap and would save in the long run but I don't even know how, even if that's what you thought would happen, will actually happen.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Dallas, Spencer, Chicago and Henry Melton all lost this week. The Franchise Tag can work out, but if injuries happen it can be bad news for all parties. Now Dallas and Chicago get nothing for 2013 and the players will hit FA as big time question marks. There is no good way to prepare for season ending injuries. Dallas didn't get lucky by not signing Spencer to a new deal, his 10.6m is wasted this year.

I have a very hard time believing that this injury happened this year. I mean, he hardly played. How is he going to sustain that injury unless he did it last year or in the off season? If that is the case, how did we not know about this injury prior to putting the Franchise Tag on him? I don't get it.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Well, he was considered by most to be an elite player at the time of his contract, which is why he got paid as much as he did. I think most reasonable people would have agreed at the time his contract was signed that his upside was minimal and he would have had to perform at a pro bowl level to justify his contract and that still might have been over paying for him. I think him underperforming the value of his contract was a distinct possibility and wasn't really all that much of a stretch. But not many would have guessed he would be as irrelevant as he turned out to be. If you went on record before it happened and said he would suck like he did, then you need to start up your own psychic network.

I guess I would have to ask who, most are? I never consider him as such but I don't really matter. The ones that matter are the other GMs around the league who might have considered signing him. Which of those do you think considered him elite? I mean, was he ever offered anything close to what we paid him over the past two years?

 

[Verdict]

I guess I would have to ask who, most are? I never consider him as such but I don't really matter. The ones that matter are the other GMs around the league who might have considered signing him. Which of those do you think considered him elite? I mean, was he ever offered anything close to what we paid him over the past two years?

I was referring to Nmadi. Keep up ABQ!!!

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I was referring to Nmadi. Keep up ABQ!!!

OK. If I recall, there were really only two players in the Nmadi sweepstakes. We were, of course, one of them. We didn't win those but we certainly tried. Same basic logic still applies.

 

[Verdict]

OK. If I recall, there were really only two players in the Nmadi sweepstakes. We were, of course, one of them. We didn't win those but we certainly tried. Same basic logic still applies.

I'm not sure how, since we didn't pay him anything, but ...OK. What does that have to do with Nmadi being considered elite?

 

[Nightman]

I have a very hard time believing that this injury happened this year. I mean, he hardly played. How is he going to sustain that injury unless he did it last year or in the off season? If that is the case, how did we not know about this injury prior to putting the Franchise Tag on him? I don't get it.

Spencer got hurt during the OTAs in the spring. It was similar to bone bruise he had and recovered from in 2008. The deadline to Franchise someone happens in early March, before FA begins. They would've never tagged him if they knew he had a serious knee injury. They were stalling for time to get an extension done, but Spencer wanted too much money it seems.

AND Spencer is not old or injury prone. He is 29 and played almost every game for the last 4 years with 28 sacks from the OLB position. This injury is bad for both Dallas and Spencer. I don't get the people that want to run him out of town. Finding Selvie helps, but this is the worst outcome for the team.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Is NA even in the NFL any more? My gosh, the man got his money and all but quit...unreal.

Yep he is with Winers. Playing tonight in fact.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I'm not sure how, since we didn't pay him anything, but ...OK. What does that have to do with Nmadi being considered elite?

Because, we would have payed him, had we not been outbid. It was not our good judgement that saved us. It was the other teams poor judgement and deeper pockets.

On behalf of Nmadi, not everybody thought he was an elite talent. As I said, I believe that there were only two real bidders on Namdi. That was the year, I believe, in which teams had to get to a certain percentage of revenue spent on player salaries. That means that teams like Tampa Bay, who had ridiculous amounts of cash to spend, did not elect to spend it on this player. Will also add that RisenStar is correct. Not everybody liked Namdi, especially for the price tag.

 

[Risen Star]

Well, he was considered by most to be an elite player at the time of his contract, which is why he got paid as much as he did. I think most reasonable people would have agreed at the time his contract was signed that his upside was minimal and he would have had to perform at a pro bowl level to justify his contract and that still might have been over paying for him. I think him underperforming the value of his contract was a distinct possibility and wasn't really all that much of a stretch. But not many would have guessed he would be as irrelevant as he turned out to be. If you went on record before it happened and said he would suck like he did, then you need to start up your own psychic network.

You're right, most wouldn't. Or didn't.

I'd rather be right than have a lot of company.

I most certainly went on record saying signing him was a terrible idea. That he would provide no impact. That it would be a waste of money.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Spencer got hurt during the OTAs in the spring. It was similar to bone bruise he had and recovered from in 2008. The deadline to Franchise someone happens in early March, before FA begins. They would've never tagged him if they knew he had a serious knee injury. They were stalling for time to get an extension done, but Spencer wanted too much money it seems.

AND Spencer is not old or injury prone. He is 29 and played almost every game for the last 4 years with 28 sacks from the OLB position. This injury is bad for both Dallas and Spencer. I don't get the people that want to run him out of town. Finding Selvie helps, but this is the worst outcome for the team.

I don't believe he got hurt in the OTAs. I mean, it's no contact. Do players get hurt in OTAs? Yeah, they do. Do players get hurt and require Microfracture Surgery in OTAs? I've never seen that before and I still don't believe I have.

I suspect that the injury was already there.

 

[Doomsay]

I don't think that a process that began with:
[1] a marquis player not getting some level of appropriate physical analysis many months ahead of playing season (something had to be pre-existing with that knee)
[2] that player then getting inadequate stop-gap surgical clean-ups in July
[3] and that player then going into a live game with a bone-on-bone condition

and resulted in:
[4] That $ 10 mm player on IR, with a career threatening condition

Could be considered a success.

 

[Verdict]

I don't think that a process that began with:
[1] a marquis player not getting some level of appropriate physical analysis many months ahead of playing season (something had to be pre-existing with that knee)
[2] that player then getting inadequate stop-gap surgical clean-ups in July
[3] and that player then going into a live game with a bone-on-bone condition

and resulted in:
[4] That $ 10 mm player on IR, with a career threatening condition

Could be considered a success.

I agree with this post. I really think Spencer was and is overvalued. He is a goo player who can help us, but nothing more. We could have saved the franchise tag and its cap charge this year by letting him walk and maybe getting a comp pick for him next year. But at least it isn't a long term back breaking cap crushing deal, followed by a career ending injury.

 

[Verdict]

Because, we would have payed him, had we not been outbid. It was not our good judgement that saved us. It was the other teams poor judgement and deeper pockets.

On behalf of Nmadi, not everybody thought he was an elite talent. As I said, I believe that there were only two real bidders on Namdi. That was the year, I believe, in which teams had to get to a certain percentage of revenue spent on player salaries. That means that teams like Tampa Bay, who had ridiculous amounts of cash to spend, did not elect to spend it on this player. Will also add that RisenStar is correct. Not everybody liked Namdi, especially for the price tag.

I didn't like him for the price it was going to cost us. But I did think he was a pretty special player at the time. I just don't like paying outrageous salaries to players with no upside.