Give Parcells credit for this...

[InmanRoshi]

Kepp coming up with the excuses. I guess the fact that he was UNDRAFTED means everybody knew his talents.

Everyone knew exactly who he was. They decided coming from a Div II that he was either too raw or too much of a risk to put a draft pick on. And considering it took him 4 years before he was ready, they had a point. But Sean Payton didn't "discover" anybody.

 

[Dodger12]

So are you now saying that Parcell's hand was FORCED into playing Romo?

No, that's your argument........

Originally Posted by khiladi
You think Parcells wanted to play Romo? That guy had the look of death during the season.. That changed when his hand was FORCED to play Romo... he preferred to stay with Bledose, and he preferred to stay with Vinny... he always wanted his QB.. Bledsoe was QB one year too many...

Romo was purely Sean Payton...

What evidence do you have that Jerry doesn't adapt to the situation... looks like he's done fine in this draft without Parcells, and choosing a coach suited to his investments.. but I guess Parcells gets the credit for teaching Jerry...

 

[InmanRoshi]

Which means you just confirmed that Tony Romo was all Sean Payton.. But your trying to sidetrack and say that because Sean Payton is an assistant for Parcells, that means the credit goes to Parcells.

Now, you're such a Parcells hater that you've made yourself look like a complete clown to everyone with a sense of objectivity.

Parcells had nothing to do with Tony Romo except that he personally called Romo and talked him into signing with the Dallas Cowboys, hired all the coaches that groomed Tony Romo , kept Tony Romo on the roster for four years, built Tony Romo along slowly for three years as to not ruin him, brushed aside Jerry's pet project Henson for Tony Romo, turned down trade offers for Tony Romo, gave him extensive time with the starters in preseason to prepare him for an eventual starting spot, then eventually gave him the starting spot.

Other than that ... Parcells had absolutely nothing at all to do with Tony Romo.

No, all the credit goes to the assitant coaches, who earlier in the thread were supposedly given absolutely no say in the organization according to the same Parcells haters.

Dance monkey, Dance !!!!

 

[Stautner]

He made the decision to replace Bledsoe because Bledsoe was stinking up thr ejoint, he couldn't move in the pocket to avoid a blitz, and the Dallas media was already criticizing him. He was FORCED into making the move.

So, you think the only way a coach can show he likes a guy is when he inserts him in place of a guy who is playing well?

This statement is moronic - of course Bledsoe's play had something to do with it. No coach replaces a player who is excelling.

That doesn't change the fact that the reason Romo was there waiting in the wings is because Parcells chose to keep him there for 4 years, developing and biding his time - despite the fact that Jerry didn't even like Romo.

By your dismal logic, Landry didn't like Danny White because if he had he would have replaced Staubach rather than waiting until Staubach retired to let Danny play.

In other words - there is no logic to your argument.

 

[superpunk]

Everyone knew exactly who he was. They decided coming from a Div II that he was either too raw or too much of a risk to put a draft pick on. And considering it took him 4 years before he was ready, they had a point. But Sean Payton didn't "discover" anybody.

First rule of Northern Illinois - don't talk about Northern Illinois.

And so you see, it would have been impossible for anyone but Sean Payton to see good in Romo.

Nevermind that Parcells gushed over him. (Inasmuch as Parcells "gushes" about anything")

That the Jets allegedly offered us a third for him in 05.

That Parcells, in an interview with a Seattle radio station who was asking him about Drew Henson, said "I've got another one down here who might surprise some people."

And nevermind that Tony Romo himself acknowledges that he wasn't ready to see the field until last season. No - it couldn't have been that Romo wasn't ready for action (whether he admits it or not) - it had to be that Parcells was hanging on to Bledsoe.

It all makes perfect sense if you're irrational.

 

[khiladi]

Everyone knew exactly who he was. They decided coming from a Div II that he was either too raw or too much of a risk to put a draft pick on. And considering it took him 4 years before he was ready, they had a point. But Sean Payton didn't "discover" anybody.

Yeah right... So Bill Parcells knew his talent level, knew he would be great, called him up, begged him to come, but he was either too raw or too much of a risk to make a SIXTH ROUNDER... wow... so what does that make Romo? a lucky guess by Parcells?

I love how the excuses keep coming.. yet in all of this, Payton is gushing all over him even during draft day...

 

[khiladi]

So, you think the only way a coach can show he likes a guy is when he inserts him in place of a guy who is playing well?

Playing well? Bledsoe playing well? You have got to be kidding me.

This statement is moronic - of course Bledsoe's play had something to do with it. No coach replaces a player who is excelling.

Of cousre it is moronic, and your the one that made the moronic argument.

That doesn't change the fact that the reason Romo was there waiting in the wings is because Parcells chose to keep him there for 4 years, developing and biding his time - despite the fact that Jerry didn't even like Romo.

SUre he was... Maybe he just thought Romo was a credible back-up for his price..

By your dismal logic, Landry didn't like Danny White because if he had he would have replaced Staubach rather than waiting until Staubach retired to let Danny play.

In other words - there is no logic to your argument.

Sure there isn't... just like Parcells benched Simms to start Hostetler according to you...

 

[khiladi]

Now, you're such a Parcells hater that you've made yourself look like a complete clown to everyone with a sense of objectivity.

Parcells had nothing to do with Tony Romo except that he personally called Romo and talked him into signing with the Dallas Cowboys, hired all the coaches that groomed Tony Romo , kept Tony Romo on the roster for four years, built Tony Romo along slowly for three years as to not ruin him, brushed aside Jerry's pet project Henson for Tony Romo, turned down trade offers for Tony Romo, gave him extensive time with the starters in preseason to prepare him for an eventual starting spot, then eventually gave him the starting spot.

Other than that ... Parcells had absolutely nothing at all to do with Tony Romo.

No, all the credit goes to the assitant coaches, who earlier in the thread were supposedly given absolutely no say in the organization according to the same Parcells haters.

Dance monkey, Dance !!!!

SO what does that say about your contention that it was Parcells find? So he went undrafted because Parcells loved him? You mean Sean Payton literally begging he be drafted is because of Parcells? You mean Parcells had to wait 4 years to groom this QB, and bring in the likes of Bledsoe because he believed in Romo? Maybe Parcells thought he had a credible BACK-UP...

Or maybe he was with the Cowboys for 4 years because of Sean Payton? And your talking about dancing monkey dance...

 

[khiladi]

First rule of Northern Illinois - don't talk about Northern Illinois.

And so you see, it would have been impossible for anyone but Sean Payton to see good in Romo.

Nevermind that Parcells gushed over him. (Inasmuch as Parcells "gushes" about anything")

That the Jets allegedly offered us a third for him in 05.

That Parcells, in an interview with a Seattle radio station who was asking him about Drew Henson, said "I've got another one down here who might surprise some people."

And nevermind that Tony Romo himself acknowledges that he wasn't ready to see the field until last season. No - it couldn't have been that Romo wasn't ready for action (whether he admits it or not) - it had to be that Parcells was hanging on to Bledsoe.

It all makes perfect sense if you're irrational.

And guess who is in the MIX in all of this? Sean Payton... Sean Payton who was still so high on Romo that he wanted him to come to the Saints... if Bill Parcells was so high on him, why even make the offer, if he thought Parcells loved Romo so much and wouldn't dare tarde him...

Of course Tony Romo, being the camper he is, acknowledges he wasn't ready to see the field, just like he feels that Dallas shouldn't give him a contract extension right now...

4 years... you got plenty of rookies starting in this league, and plenty of talented QBs that haven't been starting by year 2... but I still remember you trashing Romo his first game played...

 

[Mash]

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/football/061201/f120108A.html#skip300x250

Growing up in Burlington, Wis., his only college offers were from Division II Mankato State and I-AA Eastern Illinois. He picked Eastern Illinois and decided early on he wanted a career in football. That dedication drove him to become the I-AA player of the year.

The Cowboys rated Romo as a fifth-round talent, but let him slide, as did everyone else. About 20 teams tried signing him right after the draft, with plenty offering more money than Dallas.

"I was smart enough at the time to understand that thousands of dollars were minute in the long run compared to if you made the team," Romo said. "I had to look at the best situation and not worry about the investment they were giving you."


Maybe it wasnt Payton or Bill.....maybe it was Romo in accepting less money thinking he would have a better chance to play.......:laugh2:

 

[superpunk]

And guess who is in the MIX in all of this? Sean Payton... Sean Payton who was still so high on Romo that he wanted him to come to the Saints... if Bill Parcells was so high on him, why even make the offer, if he thought Parcells loved Romo so much and wouldn't dare tarde him...

So, because he thought it couldn't be done done, he should have just not tried?

You're a sad, annoying little man.

4 years... you got plenty of rookies starting in this league, and plenty of talented QBs that haven't been starting by year 2... but I still remember you trashing Romo his first game played...

So do I. He stunk. I've trashed him for his play in the playoff game, and other things since then, too. When it's deserved, I'm ready. When it's not, I'm not.

You could learn alot from me little guy.

 

[Stautner]

Playing well? Bledsoe playing well? You have got to be kidding me.

This shows you aren't even bothering to read - you are just spewing crap with no logic.

I never said Bledsoe was playing well, in fact I said the opposite - saying that of course Bledsoe's poor play was a factor in Romo replacing him.

You were the one that was suggesting that because PArcells only replaced Bledsoe when he was playing poorly it showed a lack of confidence in Romo.

My clear point to those with reasonable reading comprehensions skills is that no coach would replace a player who is playing well, so of course Romo's chance came when the player ahead of him on the depth chart was playing poorly.

That's the way it works ...........

Of cousre it is moronic, and your the one that made the moronic argument.

This was your statement - have you already forgotten 10 minutes ago ...... ?

He made the decision to replace Bledsoe because Bledsoe was stinking up thr ejoint, he couldn't move in the pocket to avoid a blitz, and the Dallas media was already criticizing him. He was FORCED into making the move.

SUre he was... Maybe he just thought Romo was a credible back-up for his price..

For 4 years ...... ? Never bothering to draft or try and develop another QB (unless you consider Henson, who was forced on him by Jerry).

Nevertheless, the only thing we have to go on are Parcell's words and actions. And his words were that he felt Romo had a bright future, and his actions were that he stood by Romo and did not persue other long term options while he had Romo.

This has to trump your personal bias.

Sure there isn't... just like Parcells benched Simms to start Hostetler according to you..

Sure there isn't ..... so you are admitting that your logic sucks?

Hmmmm - I'm guessing you don't even realize what you are saying.

By the way - Simms did lose his Job to Hostetler while Parcells was the coach in NY.

 

[Mash]

btw...first time I heard Bill personally talking to Romo about comming here to play....I can see Bill talking to him after we signed him....but Bill persuading Tony.......I thought I read somewhere that Bill doesnt get involved in the undrafted signings....

 

[khiladi]

http://www.cbc.ca/cp/football/061201/f120108A.html#skip300x250

Growing up in Burlington, Wis., his only college offers were from Division II Mankato State and I-AA Eastern Illinois. He picked Eastern Illinois and decided early on he wanted a career in football. That dedication drove him to become the I-AA player of the year.

The Cowboys rated Romo as a fifth-round talent, but let him slide, as did everyone else. About 20 teams tried signing him right after the draft, with plenty offering more money than Dallas.

"I was smart enough at the time to understand that thousands of dollars were minute in the long run compared to if you made the team," Romo said. "I had to look at the best situation and not worry about the investment they were giving you."


Maybe it wasnt Payton or Bill.....maybe it was Romo in accepting less money thinking he would have a better chance to play.......:laugh2:

It only took Parcells one sentence to end those talks. He told Payton to "lay down on the couch and have some warm milk." Romo said he didn't know much about Payton's discussions with Parcells. "At least someone wanted me," Romo said. Payton's fixation on Romo didn't occur suddenly. Payton rallied for Parcells to draft the former Eastern Illinois quarterback during the 2003 NFL Draft. Rallied may not be a strong enough verb. "By the sixth round that year, Sean was practically standing on the table, telling us to take Romo," former Cowboys player personnel director Larry Lacewell...

http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_km4471/is_200612/ai_n17030131

The only one that didn't want him to slide was Payton...

 

[InmanRoshi]

SO what does that say about your contention that it was Parcells find?

I didn't say he was Parcells' "find". If he was anyone's "find", he was the scouting department's find. Even when they're "found" they could have been released, cut or ruined by putting too much responsibility on him before he was ready. You seem to be all in favor of the ruining aspect of quarterback development. So "finding" doesn't really mean squat in the grand scheme of things. What matters is how they get to point a to point b.

I'm just saying it would take a complete and utter moron to say Parcells had nothing to do with Romo's development as the future QB of the Dallas Cowboys. Let me repeat that ... complete and utter moron.

Dance monkey, Dance !!!

 

[Dodger12]

Playing well? Bledsoe playing well? You have got to be kidding me.................

Of cousre it is moronic, and your the one that made the moronic argument.

That's not what the poster said but if it makes you feel better or if you can enhance your argument by misquoting people, have at it I guess.......

 

[InmanRoshi]

That's not what the poster said but if it makes you feel better or if you can enhance your argument by misquoting people, have at it I guess.......

He's shown there's very little he won't resort to. Kind of pathetic, really.

 

[khiladi]

This shows you aren't even bothering to read - you are just spewing crap with no logic.

I never said Bledsoe was playing well, in fact I said the opposite - saying that of course Bledsoe's poor play was a factor in Romo replacing him.

You were the one that was suggesting that because PArcells only replaced Bledsoe when he was playing poorly it showed a lack of confidence in Romo.

My clear point to those with reasonable reading comprehensions skills is that no coach would replace a player who is playing well, so of course Romo's chance came when the player ahead of him on the depth chart was playing poorly.

That's the way it works ...........

I don't care about your 'clear point' that has no relevance to what was being discussed at the time, i.e. who was responsible for Romo? That is what the whole argument was about, and then you brought in the issue of Bill replacing Bledsoe with Romo as if this was somehow related to the topic at hand.

I stated that the ONLY reason Parcells played Romo is because Bledsoe sucked, and he had no choice but to make a change. The media was also criticizing him. Parcells still had the look of dejection on HIS FACE even when he started Romo in the Carolina game, until they finally started winning. It is easy to say one loves Romo after he totally turns the team around.

This was your statement - have you already forgotten 10 minutes ago ...... ?

He made the decision to replace Bledsoe because Bledsoe was stinking up thr ejoint, he couldn't move in the pocket to avoid a blitz, and the Dallas media was already criticizing him. He was FORCED into making the move.

SImply based upon a mis-understanding of your post.

For 4 years ...... ? Never bothering to draft or try and develop another QB (unless you consider Henson, who was forced on him by Jerry).

Because Parcells likes veterans. Why do you think he went from Vinny to Drew?

Nevertheless, the only thing we have to go on are Parcell's words and actions. And his words were that he felt Romo had a bright future, and his actions were that he stood by Romo and did not persue other long term options while he had Romo.

This has to trump your personal bias.

Of course he had a bright future when Sean Payton is gushing all over him. You have Parcells not even drafting him, and Sean Payton pushing for it. WHat does that say for what the original argument that Romo was the product of Bill Parcells?

Sure there isn't ..... so you are admitting that your logic sucks?

Hmmmm - I'm guessing you don't even realize what you are saying.

By the way - Simms did lose his Job to Hostetler while Parcells was the coach in NY.

How did he lose his job? Because Simms got injured, and Hostetler took them to the Super Bowl and WON. Your desire to simply nit-pick on points, as if this changes the argument that your bringing up Hostetler actually proves my point, and not yours is absurd.

 

[Dodger12]

He's shown there's very little he won't resort to. Kind of pathetic, really.

It often happens when people paint themselves into a corner with some pathetic argument and then they get called on it. It's an act of sheer desperation by a helpless man......

 

[khiladi]

I didn't say he was Parcells' "find". If he was anyone's "find", he was the scouting department's find. Even when they're "found" they could have been released, cut or ruined by putting too much responsibility on him before he was ready. You seem to be all in favor of the ruining aspect of quarterback development. So "finding" doesn't really mean squat in the grand scheme of things. What matters is how they get to point a to point b.

I'm just saying it would take a complete and utter moron to say Parcells had nothing to do with Romo's development as the future QB of the Dallas Cowboys. Let me repeat that ... complete and utter moron.

Dance monkey, Dance !!!

SUre, it conveniently becomes a 'scouting department' find well into this debate, though all you've been doing is talking about Bill Parcells over Sean Payton... I guess it doesn't mean anything in the scheme of things, though Bill called Romo, convinced him to sign with the Cowboys, yada yada yada... so it only means something when it suits your point?

Of course, I'm not the one saying that absolute credit goes to Parcells for Romo... Sean Payton is more of a factor in this than Parcells ever was...

keep talking about dancing.. it makes you look like the real monkey, the more you continue to modify your opinions...