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khiladi;1587494 said:
You think Parcells wanted to play Romo? That guy had the look of death during the season.. That changed when his hand was FORCED to play Romo... he preferred to stay with Bledose, and he preferred to stay with Vinny... he always wanted his QB.. Bledsoe was QB one year too many...

Romo was purely Sean Payton...

What evidence do you have that Jerry doesn't adapt to the situation... looks like he's done fine in this draft without Parcells, and choosing a coach suited to his investments.. but I guess Parcells gets the credit for teaching Jerry...

If BP wanted Bledsoe to remain the starter last year Drew would have been playing period. Parcells stayed with Romo even over Jerry's wish of holding on to Henson. When BP felt Romo was ready he put him in and never once removed him from a game in favor or Bledsoe. All this moaning that was done by many fans about why Romo did not get to play sooner is simple the staff and Parcells did not feel he was ready.
 

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khiladi;1587494 said:
You think Parcells wanted to play Romo?

Ugh, considering he benched a completely healthy Bledsoe in the middle of a very winnable game in a critical part of the season ... yeah.

Your hatred of BP has turned your brain to jelly.

Romo said it was BP who called him directly when he went undrafted and talked him into signing with the Cowboys. Babe Laufenberg said it was BP who gushed about Romo privately, to go along with Pat Summeral and Peter King and anyone else who could get BP to talk off the record. It was BP who said he planned on giving Romo regular season playing time in training camp last year. But it was all Sean Payton? LOL. Whatever credit you want to give Sean Payton, it was BP who hired Sean Payton on his staff. So if there was no Parcells, there is no Sean Payton and there is no Romo .. period. Romo said it was QB coach David Lee, much moreso than Sean Payton, that groomed him and is responsible for his success. Who brought David Lee onto the staff? Again, Bill Parcells who knew Lee from their Vanderbuilt days.

If not for Parcells either Romo would have never been a Cowboy (most likely), or ran out of town to clear the way for Henson (also very probable), or put out there way before he was ready and ruined (much to the delight of many football geniuses around here). And instead of pulling our hair out about going 9-7 and losing in the playoffs in 2006 with a QB who goes to the Pro Bowl in his first season as a starter, we're working on a 2-14 record in year 3 of the Drew Henson project.

Please, deny this. I could use a good laugh on a workday morning. Dance for me clown !! Dance !!!
 

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InmanRoshi;1587766 said:
Horsecrap.

no, it's not.

there were many articles saying parcells was after it and stopping by jones's office all the time saying "is it done yet???" he was definately bought into giving henson a shot. why people insist on changing history is beyond me.
 

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khiladi;1587484 said:
Wow... You can't be serious... Are you saying free agency was the same before 1993, OR TOTALLY DIFFERENT... calling something by the same name, doesn't make it the same thing... that is what your argument is akin to.. they are spelled the sdame, so they ahve to be the same thing... that is the ridiculous nature of your post....

Seriously, is this all you have.. what did Parcells do that is so special? He improved on Dave Campos' record.. well that shouldn't be saying much according to you, because Dave Campo was garbage...

Still can't answer I see. As I've already said, if you can't answer my one question as is, drop it, as I will not answer anymore of your idiotic assumptions.

Grow up and accept the responsibility of being wrong and admit it. Until then, you're just way too immature to acknowledge....working with kids everyday I put up with enough childishness...I don't need anymore here from you.
 

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5Stars;1587286 said:
:drunk:

Damn, fuzzy...reading your's and darkioning's(what ever his man is) really helps on my beer intake!

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its dargonking999

and did you have to cheap shot me in a thread i'm not in?

gosh!
 

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I havent read all the posts here .....but what Parcells did here was install some discipline and brought in Ireland who IMHO was the biggest impact Bill made on this club.

IMHO....alot of coaches could of brought talent in here....as much or more then Parcells.....Bill had a boatload of FA money.....and all his draft picks....the picks he missed on day one....he hit on day 2

For every Wiley...Eddie George...etc....he missed on....he hit on Andersons...Ferg... Glenn etc...in FA.....so easy to say...the players that didnt perform well....were Jerry picks....and all the good ones were Bill's


Its all too easy to say....

Jimmy is a Genius.....Bill is God.....Jerry is a idiot....

Jerry still get crap for drafting Quincy Carter......a player that many assume was picked too high.....yet he played....played well enough to win....and to make the playoffs....Bill even praised him and choose him as his starter....yet...it was Jerry forcing Carter upon him......yes...Jerry forcing players on God himself...Bill Parcell.

Yet...Bill takes no slack on missed 2nd 3rd and 4th rd picks that didnt even see the field....if not for their draft status....would of probally be cut during their first training camp.....Skyler Green anyone?

Did Bill help this organization.....sure he did....no denying that.....but lets not assume alot of coaches couldnt do the same or more with this club given the same circumstances....

Bill is not God.....sorry....his days have passed......just count us lucky that Bill didnt draft steroid pumped Merriman....or Spears.....

Bill played the odds...play not to lose...instead of trying to win....he was satisfied playing like that....even tho we all knew the chances were we would lose as many as we would win ......a .500 coach..........and thats what as Bill puts it "coaches and QB are judged by" ......wins

Jerry ....well....he paid alot of Bills former players.....retirement checks....no wonder those former players love Bill.
 

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dargonking999;1587898 said:
its dargonking999

and did you have to cheap shot me in a thread i'm not in?

gosh!


:laugh2: It wasn't a cheap shot...more like a little love tap...

gosh!
 

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khiladi;1587494 said:
You think Parcells wanted to play Romo? That guy had the look of death during the season.. That changed when his hand was FORCED to play Romo... he preferred to stay with Bledose, and he preferred to stay with Vinny... he always wanted his QB.. Bledsoe was QB one year too many...

Romo was purely Sean Payton...

What evidence do you have that Jerry doesn't adapt to the situation... looks like he's done fine in this draft without Parcells, and choosing a coach suited to his investments.. but I guess Parcells gets the credit for teaching Jerry...

We already had Jerry's guy of the future (Henson) so who do you think it was that kept Romo in th fold all those years ........ ? It was Parcells, and while Parcells may not have been happy about having to dump Bledose as he did, he was the one that kept Romo and had confidence in him, so Parcells was the one who was ready to see Romo play.

Payton may have been big on Romo, but he wasn't the decision maker - Parcells was.

Remember - Payton wasn't even around when Parcells made the change.

Parcells had been quoted many times as saying he saw something he really liked in Romo, whereas Jerry had almost always expressed doubt about Romo and his style when asked by the media.
 

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Too bad BP could not do slightly better than .500 ball.

Maybe his coaching was .500 at best or maybe his GM skills were .500 at best.

I hope it was his coaching that was sub par, if not hello .500 or slightly better again.

I happen to believe that he did put together a good team and for whatever reason was very very average in the coaching department.

Maybe though, that is just my blue shade sunglasses on.
 

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khiladi;1587494 said:
You think Parcells wanted to play Romo? That guy had the look of death during the season.. That changed when his hand was FORCED to play Romo... he preferred to stay with Bledose, and he preferred to stay with Vinny... he always wanted his QB.. Bledsoe was QB one year too many...

Romo was purely Sean Payton...

What evidence do you have that Jerry doesn't adapt to the situation... looks like he's done fine in this draft without Parcells, and choosing a coach suited to his investments.. but I guess Parcells gets the credit for teaching Jerry...

How many times did BP have to tell us to keep an eye on Romo, to not throw Romo out of the QB mix, even when he was getting a hundred and one questions about Henson. The man hinted every which way possible that we were going to get a look at Romo, whether it be playing a full pre-season game or him telling us that he'd see action during the regular season.

BP was stubborn to a fault (see your critical appraisals of BP's handling of the defense) yet you want to people to believe that he was "forced" into playing Romo? BP played who he wanted. Even Jerry Jones commented earlier in the season on not wanting to throw the season away by benching Bledsoe and starting an unknown talent. Yet, BP was "forced" to do just that. Yeah right.......
 

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Stautner;1588022 said:
......and while Parcells may not have been happy about having to dump Bledose as he did, he was the one that kept Romo and had confidence in him, so Parcells was the one who was ready to see Romo play.

Payton may have been big on Romo, but he wasn't the decision maker - Parcells was.

Parcells had been quoted many times as saying he saw something he really liked in Romo, whereas Jerry had almost always expressed doubt about Romo and his style when asked by the media.

You beat me to the punch.......
 

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Ugh, considering he benched a completely healthy Bledsoe in the middle of a very winnable game in a critical part of the season ... yeah.

Your hatred of BP has turned your brain to jelly.

If your argument of Bledsoe was predictaed on one game than you would have a case, but it wasn't... Bledsoe was stinking up the joint before this game, and it was a consistent pattern. Further, the public opinion was alreadly blasting Parcells for sticking with Bledsoe... Bill Parcells was literally looking like a deer in the headlights before he inserted Romo... The guy pretty much was thinking it was a lost cause. But yeah, I'm sure he believed in Romo, despite the situation on his face...

Romo said it was BP who called him directly when he went undrafted and talked him into signing with the Cowboys.

Based upon whose 'discovering him'? You think Bill would have had any clue about Romo if it weren't for the fact Sean Payton kept telling him about Romo. Sean Payton and Romo went to the same school. Sean Payton is the one who found Romo. That is JUST the reality of it. So what if Bill called him to convince him. How does that prove it was his find? ANd Bill could have called him because he thought he would be a legitimate BACK-UP...

Babe Laufenberg said it was BP who gushed about Romo privately, to go along with Pat Summeral and Peter King and anyone else who could get BP to talk off the record. It was BP who said he planned on giving Romo regular season playing time in training camp last year. But it was all Sean Payton? LOL. Whatever credit you want to give Sean Payton, it was BP who hired Sean Payton on his staff. So if there was no Parcells, there is no Sean Payton and there is no Romo .. period. Romo said it was QB coach David Lee, much moreso than Sean Payton, that groomed him and is responsible for his success. Who brought David Lee onto the staff? Again, Bill Parcells who knew Lee from their Vanderbuilt days.

First of all, you need a class in logic. Gushing about Romo doesn't mean Parcells discovered Romo. Second, the QB coach is obviously going to pay attention specifically to the QB, that is what he does, i.e. dedicates his time to coaching the QB. It doesn't mean that the QB coach found him or pushed for him to play. Sean Payton wen to the SAME SCHOOL as Romo.. The reality is Sean Payton brought in that talent, and that is why he was here...

If Parcells wanted to play his rookie, it doesn't take almost 4 years to put him in there... History belies all these claims...

If not for Parcells either Romo would have never been a Cowboy (most likely), or ran out of town to clear the way for Henson (also very probable), or put out there way before he was ready and ruined (much to the delight of many football geniuses around here). And instead of pulling our hair out about going 9-7 and losing in the playoffs in 2006 with a QB who goes to the Pro Bowl in his first season as a starter, we're working on a 2-14 record in year 3 of the Drew Henson project.

Please, deny this. I could use a good laugh on a workday morning. Dance for me clown !! Dance !!!

Yeah, sure he would... I guess the fact that Sean Payton and Romo went to the same school has nothing to do with it. I'm sure Bill's ties with Eastern Illionois were greater than Sean Payton's, that he would know about Tony Romo..

First get a clue in logic, before you tell me to dance...
 

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Dodger12;1588073 said:
How many times did BP have to tell us to keep an eye on Romo, to not throw Romo out of the QB mix, even when he was getting a hundred and one questions about Henson. The man hinted every which way possible that we were going to get a look at Romo, whether it be playing a full pre-season game or him telling us that he'd see action during the regular season.

BP was stubborn to a fault (see your critical appraisals of BP's handling of the defense) yet you want to people to believe that he was "forced" into playing Romo? BP played who he wanted. Even Jerry Jones commented earlier in the season on not wanting to throw the season away by benching Bledsoe and starting an unknown talent. Yet, BP was "forced" to do just that. Yeah right.......

That is NOT what Jerry Jones said... He said that considering the benching of the QB Bledsoe, whom they paid a lot of money to start, it was considered throwing the season away. And that is all there is to it. The reason we even got Bledsoe, despite all the claims of Parcells having faith in Romo, is because of Parcells.
 

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jackrussell;1587884 said:
Still can't answer I see. As I've already said, if you can't answer my one question as is, drop it, as I will not answer anymore of your idiotic assumptions.

Grow up and accept the responsibility of being wrong and admit it. Until then, you're just way too immature to acknowledge....working with kids everyday I put up with enough childishness...I don't need anymore here from you.

I already answered it. I can't help it if you have problems comprehending. The reality is your just trying to side-track from your lame assertion that free agency in 1990 was the same as free agency in 1993. Spare me the childness routine. I can see right through you..
 

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Stautner;1588022 said:
We already had Jerry's guy of the future (Henson) so who do you think it was that kept Romo in th fold all those years ........ ? It was Parcells, and while Parcells may not have been happy about having to dump Bledose as he did, he was the one that kept Romo and had confidence in him, so Parcells was the one who was ready to see Romo play.

Payton may have been big on Romo, but he wasn't the decision maker - Parcells was.

Remember - Payton wasn't even around when Parcells made the change.

Parcells had been quoted many times as saying he saw something he really liked in Romo, whereas Jerry had almost always expressed doubt about Romo and his style when asked by the media.

So what if he wasn't around? The back-up to Bledsoe was Romo. That is the only logical progression to happen when Bledsoe is benched, and Romo is th eback-up. It sill doesn't negate the fact that Parcells:

1. Kept Vinny as QB despite being knocked out of the play-off hunt. He still had Romo and Henson.

2. Kept Bledsoe in way too long, and public pressure was already against Parcells for keeping Bledsoe in.

Parcells had NO CHOICE. And the last play by Bledsoe pretty much cemented his demise, i.e. he made a horrible decision that is typical of his career.

Let's not forget that Sean Payton tried to get Romo to the Saints. Sean Payton was gushing all over Romo, and that is why he came to the Cowboys in the first place.

Whether Jerry's opinion or not is irrelevant to this matter. What I've been saying is that Romo was Sean Payton's find and Bill Parcells is being given credit for something that wasn't his.
 

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khiladi;1588089 said:
If your argument of Bledsoe was predictaed on one game than you would have a case, but it wasn't... Bledsoe was stinking up the joint before this game, and it was a consistent pattern. Further, the public opinion was alreadly blasting Parcells for sticking with Bledsoe... Bill Parcells was literally looking like a deer in the headlights before he inserted Romo... The guy pretty much was thinking it was a lost cause. But yeah, I'm sure he believed in Romo, despite the situation on his face......

Of course Parcells was nervous about the move - as would have Payton or any other coach. That's natural with a player that hasn't played.

Meanwhile, you seem to ignore the fact that Parcells could have cut Romo anytime over 4 years, and he wouldn't have got any resistence from Jerry Jones, who was not a Romo fan.


khiladi;1588089 said:
Based upon whose 'discovering him'? You think Bill would have had any clue about Romo if it weren't for the fact Sean Payton kept telling him about Romo. Sean Payton and Romo went to the same school. Sean Payton is the one who found Romo. That is JUST the reality of it. So what if Bill called him to convince him. How does that prove it was his find? ANd Bill could have called him because he thought he would be a legitimate BACK-UP......

You don't think 4 years worth of TC's and practices and preseason games would have given PArcells a clue ....... ?

It appears you are the one who is clueless.

khiladi;1588089 said:
First of all, you need a class in logic. Gushing about Romo doesn't mean Parcells discovered Romo. Second, the QB coach is obviously going to pay attention specifically to the QB, that is what he does, i.e. dedicates his time to coaching the QB. It doesn't mean that the QB coach found him or pushed for him to play. Sean Payton wen to the SAME SCHOOL as Romo.. The reality is Sean Payton brought in that talent, and that is why he was here...

If Parcells wanted to play his rookie, it doesn't take almost 4 years to put him in there... History belies all these claims... ...

Talk about needing a lesson in logic.

Who discovered Romo and whether PArcells wanted to play Romo are completely separate points - your logic is not only flawed, but non-existant on this point.

As for playing time - why is it so hard to believe that Parcells felt Romo had a future, but he needed to develop first. That's what Parcells said all along, and your hatred of Parcells can't override that.

Parcells felt the same about Henson.

And for more proof - look at the Giants. As with Romo, Parcells developed Hostetler for a number of years before moving him in to replace the veteran who had performed well for Parcells teams in the past.

It appears that, contrary to your words, history actually supports the idea that Parcells liked Romo.



khiladi;1588089 said:
Yeah, sure he would... I guess the fact that Sean Payton and Romo went to the same school has nothing to do with it. I'm sure Bill's ties with Eastern Illionois were greater than Sean Payton's, that he would know about Tony Romo..

First get a clue in logic, before you tell me to dance...


Again - whether Payton was aware of and fond of Romo before PArcells is irrelevent - your non-existent logic is what is showing up here.

The fact is that Parcells became a Romo fan, kept him onboard despite the fact that Jerry Jones was not fond of Romo, and then made the decision to replace Bledsoe with Romo - and AFTER Payton was already gone.
 

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Stautner;1588108 said:
Again - whether Payton was aware of and fond of Romo before PArcells is irrelevent - your non-existent logic is what is showing up here.

The fact is that Parcells became a Romo fan, kept him onboard despite the fact that Jerry Jones was not fond of Romo, and then made the decision to replace Bledsoe with Romo - and AFTER Payton was already gone.

Do you read? How is it irrelevant when everybody is arguing Romo was Parcells find? That is the whole contention of the argument. He made the decision to replace Bledsoe because Bledsoe was stinking up thr ejoint, he couldn't move in the pocket to avoid a blitz, and the Dallas media was already criticizing him. He was FORCED into making the move.

Parcells was looking lost before he inserted Romo... The 'smiling' routine only happened in the Carolina game after the second half, when they started winning. And Romo was starting that game, meaning he was playing the first half when Parcells was sitting their dejected.

Only a guy bent on arguing can't see the connection..
 
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