Give Parcells credit for this...

[5Stars]

I beg to differ...We are not measured in Sbs.

We have not won in a long time, so We have no room to measure Parcells or Our success in Sbs.

PArcells in Dallas was a success IMO. He made our team 10Xs better and Now We are in position to Win a SB.

You say We're 0-2 in the playoffs..Well that's better then 5-11 seasons being the laughing stock of the NFC East.


I dont want to sound like I'm settleing for less, But He did improve Our team. And in the end I'm satisfied with it.

I think your W, O, A, and H keys are stuck in the CAPS LOCK position!

Carry on...

 

[Joe71]

I appreciate everything Parcells did for this team. I believe that if his brother had not died we would have won a Superbowl under him. I think Bill just lost his fire after his best friend/brother passed away.

I agree with this also.

 

[Hostile]

He had 4 years to earn my respect and adulation. I don't know that not starting rookies is a reason to appreciate a guy. He may not have started rookies but he did start guys like Vinny Testaverde and Quincy Carter while cutting a guy like Emmitt Smith because he didn't think he could share the spotlight with anyone.

0-2 in the playoffs and 2 years of not even making it. The only reason anyone has ever given me to admire the man is that he's not Dave Campo. Yeah, well he wasn't Jimmy Johnson or Tom Landry either.

 

[5Stars]

He had 4 years to earn my respect and adulation. I don't know that not starting rookies is a reason to appreciate a guy. He may not have started rookies but he did start guys like Vinny Testaverde and Quincy Carter while cutting a guy like Emmitt Smith because he didn't think he could share the spotlight with anyone.

0-2 in the playoffs and 2 years of not even making it. The only reason anyone has ever given me to admire the man is that he's not Dave Campo. Yeah, well he wasn't Jimmy Johnson or Tom Landry either.

Well, for me, the only reason that I'm glad he was here (and i don't mean admire) was that he did bring some focus and talent to the team he had when he got here...

He's gone now...let's see what happens. Because this team is way better off than it was before he got here.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

He had 4 years to earn my respect and adulation. I don't know that not starting rookies is a reason to appreciate a guy. He may not have started rookies but he did start guys like Vinny Testaverde and Quincy Carter while cutting a guy like Emmitt Smith because he didn't think he could share the spotlight with anyone.

0-2 in the playoffs and 2 years of not even making it. The only reason anyone has ever given me to admire the man is that he's not Dave Campo. Yeah, well he wasn't Jimmy Johnson or Tom Landry either.

I agree. I think it was pretty apparent that Hambrick was not the answer.

The Emmitt decision didn't bother me that much at the time because it was time to move on. But what made me angry was the fact that we brought in guys like Eddie George, Adrian Murrel, etc. At one point Richie Anderson was our main running threat.

OK, Quincy Carter, how are you going to use that? Who else was he going to start? Hutchinson? Henson? I remember people were up in arms about the whole Henson thing. Has he done anything since? I tihnk it's fair to say the Carter and even Testaverde startings had to be done.




Boottom line, Parcells made this a better team. Did we all expect him to ride off into the sunset with a Super Bowl? Probably. But you have to remember, this was the first franchise he took over where he didn't have his starting QB in pace either.

But it looks like he solved our QB dilemna. He has found a capable replacement at the RB position. No more Eric Bjornson and LaFleur's at TE. Finally got the pass rusher we've been looking for for the last 10 years.

Yes he failed from what we epxected out of him. But he laid the groundwork for a solid team for years.

But this has all been said over and over again.

 

[Clove]

He was tough and demanding on rookies and young players, making them earn their opportunities and appreciate their success...

Prior to Parcells we got in the bad habit of starting players who didn't earn it and weren't ready... Quincy Carter, Antonio Bryant (to name a few of many)...

As a result, three mediocre 5-11 seasons...

I think this year you'll see the fruits of Parcell's methods... we have young players like Fasano, Burnett and Carpenter (to name a few) who are hungry to prove themselves...

A QB in Romo who had time to develop and mature into the role of team leader...

Bash Parcells all you want for his deficiencies as a strategist on game day... but the man certainly knows how to develop and motivate young players and build the foundation of a successful team...

We'll see if any of this turns into a Super Bowl team, until then, no one gets credit.

 

[5Stars]

But this has all been said over and over again.

:laugh2: And guess what, Billy? We are going to hear this all season long!

 

[AbeBeta]

Thank you. The cowboys are measured on super bowls,not on roster improvements or how hard the team worked and all that other nonsense. Bottom line was 0-2 in the playoffs, zero division titles. His act wore thin. I'm happy he's gone, the players seem much more relaxed and ready to turn it loose.

Yes, but people need to take into consideration just how long the crap drafting and poor player development went on -- it takes a long while to turn the tide on something like that. The playoff loses were disappointing.

Ultimately, there is another bottom line. That bottom line is that Cowboy fans are the most spoiled and unreasonable fans in the league. We had great success and that makes us want more -- however, Bill didn't inherit a successful team - he inherited a team that was full of crap players.

 

[iceberg]

Where was that said?

it's implied every time someone says "GET READY FOR 5-11!!!"

it's as if parcells was our ONLY hope to improve. that's just crap on a stick. with parcells gone it's not a GIVEN we'll do 5-11 again. but people say "that's what jones gave us!!!"

true. but he also gave us 3 superbowls. how come we forget that?

oh, johnson left and jones sucks w/o johnson and it was all jimmy.

people will twist an argument into whatever they need to so not to give jones credit. these *same* people are usually the ones who say jones would never hire a "real" coach - yet he hired the parcells many moan on about now.

selective memory.

 

[tunahelper]

BP made this team a playoff contender.

I think his contribution was great, but had leveled and someone else is needed to move forward.

 

[VA Cowboy]

Where was that said?

It's just Slushy putting words in people's moufs again

 

[iceberg]

It's just Slushy putting words in people's moufs again

who's mouth did i put those words in?

put up or shut up, va.

 

[Hostile]

It's just Slushy putting words in people's moufs again

who's mouth did i put those words in?

put up or shut up, va.

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[Vintage]

He had 4 years to earn my respect and adulation. I don't know that not starting rookies is a reason to appreciate a guy. He may not have started rookies but he did start guys like Vinny Testaverde and Quincy Carter while cutting a guy like Emmitt Smith because he didn't think he could share the spotlight with anyone.

0-2 in the playoffs and 2 years of not even making it. The only reason anyone has ever given me to admire the man is that he's not Dave Campo. Yeah, well he wasn't Jimmy Johnson or Tom Landry either.

How can you blame him for starting Quincy, really? He inherited him via the braintrust that was Lacewell/Jones.

There were no better options; Carter was young, it was probably worth a shot to start him and try to develop him.

And while many people loathe the Vinny decision (myself too), what were there, realistically, for other options? Romo might have still been a year off and not ready to go?

Yeah, we didn't win a Super Bowl or a playoff game with Parcells as coach.

But bad drafting that depletes us to the point where our starting QB at the time is now in AFL2; our starting RB then is now out of the league, and many other similar type deals...... that takes more than a couple of years to turn it around.

And while everyone likes to hammer about us losing in the playoffs this year.... remember last year's playoffs? Young QBs like Grossman, Manning, Leftwich, Palmer, etc were all losing their first playoff games. Romo did too.

They all gained valuable experience.

I hope Romo did too.

To quote TwoDeep3; I am not here to praise Caesar nor blame him.

I'm just pointing out a couple of things I think get overlooked.

 

[TunaFan33]

I nonetheless didn't like how Tuna developed rookies and the younger players. They either 1) Played scared, or 2) Started off BLAZING, only to cool off quickly. It was hard to believe how Sean Suisham was BOOMING them from beyond 50 yards in Deadskin country, when he couldn't even make a 30 yarder here if it meant to save his own life.

I know Antonio Bryant was/is a nut, but if you're a young player under Parcells, I can somewhat emphathize with them, especially with the way Parcells gave his vets a free pass too often.

 

[Hostile]

How can you blame him for starting Quincy, really? He inherited him via the braintrust that was Lacewell/Jones.

There were no better options; Carter was young, it was probably worth a shot to start him and try to develop him.

And while many people loathe the Vinny decision (myself too), what were there, realistically, for other options? Romo might have still been a year off and not ready to go?

Yeah, we didn't win a Super Bowl or a playoff game with Parcells as coach.

But bad drafting that depletes us to the point where our starting QB at the time is now in AFL2; our starting RB then is now out of the league, and many other similar type deals...... that takes more than a couple of years to turn it around.

And while everyone likes to hammer about us losing in the playoffs this year.... remember last year's playoffs? Young QBs like Grossman, Manning, Leftwich, Palmer, etc were all losing their first playoff games. Romo did too.

They all gained valuable experience.

I hope Romo did too.

To quote TwoDeep3; I am not here to praise Caesar nor blame him.

I'm just pointing out a couple of things I think get overlooked.

How can I blame him?

Wasn't he an analyst for ESPN? Was he watching every other team?

Just not one of my favorite moves.

 

[iceberg]

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i understand hos - it *is* frustrating he can flat out say "you probably still think carter is a good pick" when I NEVER SAID IT - and he's never apologized for it. yet he can follow me around and say that's what i'm doing - yet i'm not. i didn't name anyone, i didn't say "VA, you said that . . ."

it's proven he does it yet, i had to "apologize" for it. crap like that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth and i lose all respect for people who can't even see their own faults yet project them off on others.

 

[keds]

In defense of Parcells... I make several important points...

1) Parcells started Carter because Carter won the competition for staring QB in training camp, he didn't draft Carter two rounds early and then force him to start unprepared and unready...

2) Parcells wiffed on Jacob Rogers but more than made up for it by resurrecting Colombo, he went on to make some excellent acquisitions without throwing away draft picks like the Skins regularly do...

3) When you draft poorly for years under Jones and Lacewell you have no choice but to search the scrap heap for players (George, Testeverde, Murrell)
to fill your roster...

4) Parcells made a lot of unpopular cuts (ex. Ross, Bryant, Henson) but after the fact we can see that he was right... Parcells could identify punks and underachievers and knew that he needed to get rid of them for the team to be successful...

5) His reputation for not improving the offensive line are unfounded... Colombo has developed nicely not costing us a draft pick, for the first time in many years we have a decent, physical center in Gurode, Rivera would have played out his contract had he not injured his back, Al Jonson was given every opportunity to earn a starting job but wasn't physical enough (not Parcell's fault)

6) For the first time in many years we acquired under Parcells productive players in the later rounds (Ratliff, Canty, Barber, Crayton, James to name a few)

 

[Hostile]

I'll send him a box of cookies and a thank you.

 

[Billy Bullocks]

I nonetheless didn't like how Tuna developed rookies and the younger players. They either 1) Played scared, or 2) Started off BLAZING, only to cool off quickly. It was hard to believe how Sean Suisham was BOOMING them from beyond 50 yards in Deadskin country, when he couldn't even make a 30 yarder here if it meant to save his own life.

I think his approach to kickers definately hurt alot of them.

Sure he was tough on rookies. But you can't hold all these guys hands all the time. It stems from his "show me what you got" mentality. It doesn't matter where you get picked, he is going to ride you because you haven't done anything at the NFL level.

I know Antonio Bryant was/is a nut, but if you're a young player under Parcells, I can somewhat emphathize with them, especially with the way Parcells gave his vets a free pass too often.

The Vets go through the same BS with him as the rookies. They have just passed his test.

And Bryant is a total nutjob. The guy failed in Clevland, and San Francisco. He hasn't stuck anywhere. Talented as hell. Idiot.