Give Parcells credit for this...

[GimmeTheBall!]

He was tough and demanding on rookies and young players, making them earn their opportunities and appreciate their success...

Prior to Parcells we got in the bad habit of starting players who didn't earn it and weren't ready... Quincy Carter, Antonio Bryant (to name a few of many)...

As a result, three mediocre 5-11 seasons...

I think this year you'll see the fruits of Parcell's methods... we have young players like Fasano, Burnett and Carpenter (to name a few) who are hungry to prove themselves...

A QB in Romo who had time to develop and mature into the role of team leader...

Bash Parcells all you want for his deficiencies as a strategist on game day... but the man certainly knows how to develop and motivate young players and build the foundation of a successful team...

Parcells did make some good picks
And he had his share of flops
Jimma had lots of great picks and lots of flops. Remember Walsh/Curvin Richards/paul Palmer et. al.? But Jimma motivated his players through fear, and they managed to respect him/fear him nonetheless.

And while Parcells had strengths as a coach, motivating was not among them. A coach who will not say a player's name has issues. Parcells tried to motivate his players with disdain and sometimes indifference. Players were worn down by his head games and never-ending caustic nature. In the end, they just did not care anymore.

But your loyalty to BP is commendable.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I appreciate everything Parcells did for this team. I believe that if his brother had not died we would have won a Superbowl under him. I think Bill just lost his fire after his best friend/brother passed away.

Your blaming a dead guy who lived in New Jersey for a mediocre team not going and winning a Super Bowl???
Did I read that right? Let me read it again . . .

 

[CowboyJeff]

Thank you. The cowboys are measured on super bowls,not on roster improvements or how hard the team worked and all that other nonsense. Bottom line was 0-2 in the playoffs, zero division titles. His act wore thin. I'm happy he's gone, the players seem much more relaxed and ready to turn it loose.

Yeah, I miss those relaxed Campo years.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

i understand hos - it *is* frustrating he can flat out say "you probably still think carter is a good pick" when I NEVER SAID IT - and he's never apologized for it. yet he can follow me around and say that's what i'm doing - yet i'm not. i didn't name anyone, i didn't say "VA, you said that . . ."

it's proven he does it yet, i had to "apologize" for it. crap like that leaves a bitter taste in my mouth and i lose all respect for people who can't even see their own faults yet project them off on others.

:stop:
We'll have none of that tattle-tale nonsense, ice!
I thought you had learned your lesson about those types of transgressions. Did you want me to talk about them again?

VA was lookling at me and calling me names :write:VA was mean to me and then he tripped me....



STOP IT!!!!!
There is no crying at the Zone!
Git a grip and stop it!!!!
Read your post and tell me what you'd think if another poster had written it? Not a pretty picture, huh, Mr. Tattle McGrudger?

Dang!!!
Will I have to pony up $300 to get a filter for this site to separate you two????
Quit tattle-telling. There is enough blame to go around, mister!!

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

it's implied every time someone says "GET READY FOR 5-11!!!"

Oh, now it's "implying"?
Quit doing it man.
If you think it is implied then I am inferring you want to put words in people's moufs. Again. And again.
Quit it, man. It ain't funny no more. :stop:

 

[Zaxor]

I ask in all seriousness...

How was it not possible to improve the team... by that I mean this

during Campo's 3 year era we had 1 first round pick Roy Williams... we were in salary cap hell and unable to sign quality FA's... The year Campo was fired and Bill was hired we were out of salary cap hell and he had the run of the ranch...

now how many of you would not have choosen Newman with our 1st round pick

now how many of you would have choosen Al. Johnson with the 2nd knowing Gurode had a solid year at center the prior year...

Parcells probably hit on as many picks as we would have (think not... look back at the archive)

than Parcells had an open checkbook for FA's like
Young, Anderson, Testy, Bledsoe, Ward, Murrel, Rivera, George, Thomas, Price, Morgan and a host of others that are no longer on this team he also hit on a few both Glenn's, Fergie but the average hit to miss ratio is pretty abysmal...

Parcells stocking this team with talent while it might be true...

Is it all that remarkable, with all the resources he had at his disposal, or could most anybody with a bit of competence have done it?

 

[blindzebra]

Under Campo we had years where almost half our cap was tied up in dead money...so not only did he pay for the over-spending Jerry did over the begging of Stephen not to, he paid for the Galloway trade as well.

But even with all that, Scrappy's teams were in most games...19 of his 33 losses were by 7 or less. His teams showed more heart than Tuna's did.

Parcells inherited a team with nowhere to go but up, and frankly I'd bet there are 10-20 guys Jerry could have hired that could have added talent and went 34-32.

 

[superpunk]

During the NFL Network's broadcast of the Commanders-Titans game I saw a commercial where Javon Walker was dancing - really breaking it down - during Broncos training camp.

I couldn't help but wonder - would this be happening if Parcells was still around?

 

[Zaxor]

Under Campo we had years where almost half our cap was tied up in dead money...so not only did he pay for the over-spending Jerry did over the begging of Stephen not to, he paid for the Galloway trade as well.

But even with all that, Scrappy's teams were in most games...19 of his 33 losses were by 7 or less. His teams showed more heart than Tuna's did.

Parcells inherited a team with nowhere to go but up, and frankly I'd bet there are 10-20 guys Jerry could have hired that could have added talent and went 34-32.

well said my friend

 

[jackrussell]

I ask in all seriousness...

How was it not possible to improve the team... by that I mean this

during Campo's 3 year era we had 1 first round pick Roy Williams... we were in salary cap hell and unable to sign quality FA's... The year Campo was fired and Bill was hired we were out of salary cap hell and he had the run of the ranch...

now how many of you would not have choosen Newman with our 1st round pick

now how many of you would have choosen Al. Johnson with the 2nd knowing Gurode had a solid year at center the prior year...

Parcells probably hit on as many picks as we would have (think not... look back at the archive)

than Parcells had an open checkbook for FA's like
Young, Anderson, Testy, Bledsoe, Ward, Murrel, Rivera, George, Thomas, Price, Morgan and a host of others that are no longer on this team he also hit on a few both Glenn's, Fergie but the average hit to miss ratio is pretty abysmal...

Parcells stocking this team with talent while it might be true...

Is it all that remarkable, with all the resources he had at his disposal, or could most anybody with a bit of competence have done it?

Yes...when Jimmy took over for Landry, he had no where to go but up. Anyone of us competent message board posters, given the resources Jimmy had in high and multiple picks and no salary cap could have done the same thing.

 

[iceberg]

Oh, now it's "implying"?
Quit doing it man.
If you think it is implied then I am inferring you want to put words in people's moufs. Again. And again.
Quit it, man. It ain't funny no more. :stop:

neither is the over-analysis committee. i've seen, since parcells has gone, MANY Posters flat out say "get ready for 5-11 again because that's where we're going!" and you tell me - if not implying it what does "remember the 5-11 sesaons" mean? why pick out that point of time if you're not going to reference it OR imply it?

if you think i went nuts i think you're right there with me in this unfounded need to analyze every word i type to YOUR satisfaction?

get over yourself. you keep telling me it's a forum for open speech but you continue to harass the say i talk and exersize that right.

quit it man. it ain't funny no more.

 

[jackrussell]

neither is the over-analysis committee. i've seen, since parcells has gone, MANY Posters flat out say "get ready for 5-11 again because that's where we're going!" and you tell me - if not implying it what does "remember the 5-11 sesaons" mean? why pick out that point of time if you're not going to reference it OR imply it?

if you think i went nuts i think you're right there with me in this unfounded need to analyze every word i type to YOUR satisfaction?

get over yourself. you keep telling me it's a forum for open speech but you continue to harass the say i talk and exersize that right.

quit it man. it ain't funny no more.

I'm an early riser.

Are you a haven't been to bedder yetter?

 

[iceberg]

I'm an early riser.

Are you a haven't been to bedder yetter?

had to get up to take my dad to the airport to go on vacation. : )

 

[Zaxor]

Yes...when Jimmy took over for Landry, he had no where to go but up. Anyone of us competent message board posters, given the resources Jimmy had in high and multiple picks and no salary cap could have done the same thing.

Jimmy did a great job in Miami didn't he Jack... It might have been helpful if he had a Herschel Walker to have traded...but what happened was that he was pretty average and had to rely on his scouts to make good recommendations... so play along Jack... lets say the teams Midwest scout says that player A is a good player now Bill & Jimmy get to say yeah or nay based on what?.. are you going to assume they have the time to break down film on each and every player of the draft or that maybe that they would take a look at maybe 15-20 players with intense film study which would be hundreds of hours or is it possible they take a liking to 1 or 2 players and do a cursory view of other candidates which in all likely hood is the most likely scenario.

Under these circumstances it is quite possible that fans do know a bit more about a player than the head coach does... Also most fans aren't ignorant little piss ants they can usually tell a good player from a bad player now granted some of us have been watching football longer than others but with access to more information than ever before you might be surprised at how accurate the consensus is on separating the wheat from the chafe.

So getting back to what was in my original post.. anybody with competence would have been able to upgrade the talent level on this team given the resources that Bill had available to them...

You may not like it but it is the truth as I perceive it

 

[popcorn]

I believe, that Parcells gave Jones a hell of a education on how to mange a team. For that I'm exstremely grateful.

 

[jackrussell]

I am playing along...though I did forget to add 'how many of us wouldn't have drafted Troy Aikman with our 1st round pick?'

Now I can see you're going to get all extreme about this...and go places where it wasn't in the first place with wheat and chafe and piss ants and whether a fan could recognize a player and a coach can't and all.

But whether you like it or not...having an ability to pick a player or 2 that Jimmy or Bill didn't does not make you a bonafide NFL head coach candidate.

And that's a given...not just the truth as only I perceive it.

 

[Zaxor]

I am playing along...though I did forget to add 'how many of us wouldn't have drafted Troy Aikman with our 1st round pick?'

Now I can see you're going to get all extreme about this...and go places where it wasn't in the first place with wheat and chafe and piss ants and whether a fan could recognize a player and a coach can't and all.

But whether you like it or not...having an ability to pick a player or 2 that Jimmy or Bill didn't does not make you a bonafide NFL head coach candidate.

And that's a given...not just the truth as only I perceive it.

never said it did but coaching and picking players are 2 different things...

Please read my first post again... I never once said anything about how Bill coached but I did talk of being realistic about heaping tons and tons of praise on a guy for bringing in talent when it shouldn't have been that hard to do with the resources that were available.

 

[jackrussell]

never said it did but coaching and picking players are 2 different things...

Please read my first post again... I never once said anything about how Bill coached but I did talk of being realistic about heaping tons and tons of praise on a guy for bringing in talent when it shouldn't have been that hard to do with the resources that were available.

And I equated it to being the same as Jimmy Johnson...why would anyone heap praise on him? He fits the exact same criteria as you said below:

Parcells stocking this team with talent while it might be true...

Is it all that remarkable, with all the resources he had at his disposal, or could most anybody with a bit of competence have done it?

Sorry...but you're sounding too much like Jerry Jones after Jimmy's 2nd Super Bowl win...the 'hundred coaches thing'.

 

[superpunk]

Under Campo we had years where almost half our cap was tied up in dead money...so not only did he pay for the over-spending Jerry did over the begging of Stephen not to, he paid for the Galloway trade as well.

But even with all that, Scrappy's teams were in most games...19 of his 33 losses were by 7 or less. His teams showed more heart than Tuna's did.

Parcells inherited a team with nowhere to go but up, and frankly I'd bet there are 10-20 guys Jerry could have hired that could have added talent and went 34-32.

It's amazing that any team sucks for a prolonged period of time in the NFL. I mean, what with the high picks, the cap space that results from not having any decent players to resign, and the ease with which you can reinstall a winning attitude to an NFL team, there ought to be 20-some guys out there ready to fix all those losing squads.

I'm sure Cleveland can't wait to talk to you about a replacement for Savage and Crennel. While you're at it, maybe you could send one of your extraordinary gentlemen to Arizona and Detroit with a holdover in Oakland.

Clearly NFL owners don't know all these football geniuses you are personally acquainted with - who can come in and give them three years of winning records and two playoff trips after years of unmitigated futility. These guys grow on trees.

 

[Hostile]

I believe, that Parcells gave Jones a hell of a education on how to mange a team. For that I'm exstremely grateful.

That I agree with.