Give Wade a chance for pete's sake.

[Bleu Star]

It's like listening to mock drafts in January. Nobody has a clue how it's going to shake out come September. After 4 years of Parcell's, a fresh approach with a younger coaching staff and a talented underachieving team can be a recipe for success even with mediocre coaching.

I think Wade is a competent guy who has the respect of the players in the league. If he just upgrades the pass rush, FS and RG he could probably squeeze out four more wins.

I totally agree with everything you said. :starspin

 

[doomsday81]

It's like listening to mock drafts in January. Nobody has a clue how it's going to shake out come September. After 4 years of Parcell's, a fresh approach with a younger coaching staff and a talented underachieving team can be a recipe for success even with mediocre coaching.

I think Wade is a competent guy who has the respect of the players in the league. If he just upgrades the pass rush, FS and RG he could probably squeeze out four more wins.

So we aren't allowed to post our displeasure with a choice the franchise makes because we don't know what is going to happen in September? That makes a lot of sense. Listen, I am a HUGE Cowboys fan and nothing would make me happier than to come on here next year and say in big letters I WAS WRONG ABOUT WADE PHILLIPS. However, right now I think it was a bad choice and based on Jerry Jones' recent track record, I have a heck of a lot more to support my side than you do. So thanks, but we don't need you coming on here telling us how to think and what we can and can't say. If you want to be a blind homer and except anything the team does, that's your business. Some of us like to voice our displeasure when the team we love is not living up to the high standards it used to follow. After all, that's what an Internet message board is for isn't it? Thanks for the advice but to be honest, I don't need a rah, rah speech from someone I don't even know. I need a playoff win from my favorite team. If Phillips provides that and improves this team, I'll be the first guy on here eating my words.

 

[doomsday81]

Wade will win with this team...everyone should know that the defense is going to be vastly improved, and thats good by itself for at least another win or two...no more of QB's standing back there for 10-12 seconds at a time without getting touched..no more of dropping 7-8 guys into coverage and still seeing guys WIDE FREAKING OPEN 15-20 yds downfield...the defense will be good

offensively, there's definitely going to be some questions till after we see how Garrett runs things...we have the tools to be good, but we could use some upgrades here and there along the OL...if the OL gets better we should be fine

David

How can you say that? It's not September yet. Didn't you listen to the author of this thread's advice?

 

[zrinkill]

I'm not going to get suckered into that trap.

You want me to name a name so that you can, "But how do you know he's better than Wade Phillips."

I'm not biting, because that's specious reasoning.

There were better alternatives if you looked hard enough for them.

For some reason, the pool that Jerry came up with did not seem to contain any. If there was one, it would have been Rivera or perhaps Garrett himself.

But that isn't to say that there aren't better candidates out there. There certainly are.

Lovie Smith's or Andy Reid's certainly exist. You just have to find them.

Yea right .....

 

[Clove]

thats not what he asked. he said would u be impressed if they would have hired phillips?

I probably wouldn't be impressed, but I'd dang sure be concerned about that defense I'm about to face.

 

[mschmidt64]

Yea right .....

"Yeah right"?

No, there aren't more quality coaches out there.

They just ran out. Jones was forced to choose between Turner and Phillips.

 

[jem88]

Parcells historically speaking proved he was a great coach with a lot of playoff apearances and wins, even superbowls.

What did that past have to do with us? Nothing, he was 0-2 in the playoffs as a Cowboy.

I am tired of people playing the history card.

That's like saying AC/DC is inferior to Velvet Revolver just because AC/DC hasn't released a good album in a long time.

 

[smarta5150]

That's like saying AC/DC is inferior to Velvet Revolver just because AC/DC hasn't released a good album in a long time.

Not a very good anaolgy.

 

[zeromaster]

I'm not going to get suckered into that trap.

You want me to name a name so that you can, "But how do you know he's better than Wade Phillips."

I'm not biting, because that's specious reasoning.

There were better alternatives if you looked hard enough for them.

For some reason, the pool that Jerry came up with did not seem to contain any. If there was one, it would have been Rivera or perhaps Garrett himself.

But that isn't to say that there aren't better candidates out there. There certainly are.

Lovie Smith's or Andy Reid's certainly exist. You just have to find them.

That's convenient. Criticize, but offer no constructive alternatives. Little imagination is required.

Leave it ambiguous so you can't be pinned down. "If there was one..." The Lovie Smith/Andy Reid analogy isn't very helpful unless you identify the available parties. But if you can't, thern take the easy way out. So many do these days.

And you don't want to be specific just because someone will say, "but how do you know... ?" Man, at least have some conviction in your beliefs. Stand for something. Being against something means little if you can't offer an alternative; it's the easy way out.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

If the Giants, Commanders or Eagles had hired Wade would we have been impressed?






















Case closed.

This is from the same guy that was ok with Norv???!!!???

Holy Moly

 

[Da Hammer]

If the Giants, Commanders or Eagles had hired Wade would we have been impressed?






















Case closed.

Who the hell cares who it impresses??? i could turn this around and say that back when we hired Parcells were people around the league impressed?
























Yes they were. and where did that get us? NO WHERE!

 

[jem88]

Not a very good anaolgy.

Why was it lucking a buzz word like "card" or "agenda"?
Your original line of reasoning was nonsensical, 'history card' or not.

 

[smarta5150]

Who the hell cares who it impresses??? i could turn this around and say that back when we hired Parcells were people around the league impressed?









Yes they were. and where did that get us? NO WHERE!

 

[smarta5150]

Why was it lucking a buzz word like "card" or "agenda"?
Your original line of reasoning was nonsensical, 'history card' or not.

Do you even know why I mentioned the history thing?

The guy was arguing Wade was a bad choice becuase he hasnt won in the playoffs...

Well Parcells did win in the playoffs and what did he do here? Nothing.

So I said dont even bother using history to base your HC arguement from.

Wade was the best option becuase of his knowlege of the 3-4 defense which is what we struggled doing.

Thats it... why did you bring up AC/DC and whoever else over this. Talk about getting side tracked.

 

[zeromaster]

It's like listening to mock drafts in January. Nobody has a clue how it's going to shake out come September. After 4 years of Parcell's, a fresh approach with a younger coaching staff and a talented underachieving team can be a recipe for success even with mediocre coaching.

I think Wade is a competent guy who has the respect of the players in the league. If he just upgrades the pass rush, FS and RG he could probably squeeze out four more wins.

So we aren't allowed to post our displeasure with a choice the franchise makes because we don't know what is going to happen in September? That makes a lot of sense. Listen, I am a HUGE Cowboys fan and nothing would make me happier than to come on here next year and say in big letters I WAS WRONG ABOUT WADE PHILLIPS. However, right now I think it was a bad choice and based on Jerry Jones' recent track record, I have a heck of a lot more to support my side than you do. So thanks, but we don't need you coming on here telling us how to think and what we can and can't say. If you want to be a blind homer and except anything the team does, that's your business. Some of us like to voice our displeasure when the team we love is not living up to the high standards it used to follow. After all, that's what an Internet message board is for isn't it? Thanks for the advice but to be honest, I don't need a rah, rah speech from someone I don't even know. I need a playoff win from my favorite team. If Phillips provides that and improves this team, I'll be the first guy on here eating my words.

Too cool.

There doesn't seem to be a thing in dfense's post about what people should think, other than an observation about the arguing, just like mock drafts.

Somehow you managed to read that as telling people what to think, based on your comments. Since you quoted that entire post as part of your rebuttal, how does that work? The OP at worst voiced his displeasure; you did the same, but on the opposite side of the argument. How is that offensive? You can dissent, and people that disagree with you can't, or their comments are somehow less relevant?

Nerves are hit, to be sure. People are taking things way too seriously.

 

[LatinMind]

Who the hell cares who it impresses??? i could turn this around and say that back when we hired Parcells were people around the league impressed?
Yes they were. and where did that get us? NO WHERE!

dont look now but i think u just proved winicki's point

 

[mschmidt64]

Being against something means little if you can't offer an alternative; it's the easy way out.

I can offer alternatives.

I won't, because people are already ready with rejections no matter who I name.

Suffice to say, any logical person would conclude that you can find quality head coaches out there.

Hence the disagreement seems to be whether Phillips is quality or not. If he's not, then it's easy to believe that there is better out there.

If you think he is quality, then maybe it's not so easy to find a better option.

I happen to think he's not quality. That should be the subject of the debate. "Who" is better is not the issue. It should be a given that quality exists.

We are arguing about whether Phillips is quality. If he's not, then, de facto, we could have done better.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

I can offer alternatives.

I won't, because people are already ready with rejections no matter who I name.

Suffice to say, any logical person would conclude that you can find quality head coaches out there.

Hence the disagreement seems to be whether Phillips is quality or not. If he's not, then it's easy to believe that there is better out there.

If you think he is quality, then maybe it's not so easy to find a better option.

I happen to think he's not quality. That should be the subject of the debate. "Who" is better is not the issue. It should be a given that quality exists.

We are arguing about whether Phillips is quality. If he's not, then, de facto, we could have done better.

I love circular logic.

 

[mschmidt64]

I love circular logic.

That's not circular logic.

It all follows rationally.

If I think Wade is subpar.... and I think that quality candidates exist...

... then it's a given that there are candidates who are better than Wade.

There's nothing circular there.

The debate is whether Phillips is good or bad.

 

[BigDFan5]

That's not circular logic.

It all follows rationally.

If I think Wade is subpar.... and I think that quality candidates exist...

... then it's a given that there are candidates who are better than Wade.

There's nothing circular there.

so nasically its your opinion on Phillips that matters when it comes to deciding if Phillips is quality or not?

and since you say he is not then some imaginary man out there is better?