TRADED Glazer: Cowboys trade for DT Quinnen Williams

CarolinaFathead said:
I get it. It’s a concern, but I think individual players can be posting dominant play in the midst of chaotic, failing defenses or offenses. That’s just how football is.
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A lot of variables to consider, which for me the most important is what are the odds of Dallas drafting a player comparable to Williams with the picks they gave up? It’s unlikely imo. We are paying for a knowne him known. Age is a variable too and he’s 27. Conceivably there are still a lot of dominant, productive years in his future.
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Those are all fair points but first of all, the Jets are ranked 3 spots in front of us against the run, they’re good for 7th worst. Do you think one guy is coming to come in here and significantly change that? Remember what we gave up to acquire him, jerry helped solve one problem (helping stop the run) by creating another (trading Parsons; pressuring the QB).

Williams has been falling off the last 2 years, he’s still good but statistically he’s not much better than Osa. Williams is also getting older, he could very well see a resurgence but he may be on the downside already whereas Parsons is probably is still ascending.

Don’t forget, the Jets also get the higher 1st round pick of 2027 between the Packers and us, which could end up being huge. I dunno man, he’s a good player, but he’s not making that much of a difference on the Jets against the run and I don’t think our current roster is that much better than theirs defensively. This may be putting a band aid on a shotgun wound with lots of wishful thinking.

This team needs young talent on rookie contracts, which is especially nice with 1st round picks because you get the 5th year option, but jerrah knows he’s too old to start a true rebuild so this is his version of going “all in” and making some noise but I don’t think Williams is going to be the answer. They have a loooong ways to go.
 
DCCowboys11 said:
Thought it was a bad re-signing when they did it. OSA has always been average in my opinion. But you know, “we like our guys”.
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That’s funny because Osa had a very similar pressure rate as Williams over the past 2 years and a slightly lower run stop rate.
 
It’s a good trade as now you have made your defensive tackles a strength going forward. Williams is one of the top defensive tackles in the league and he fits well with Eberflus. This is the Cooper 2019 trade all over again. Jerry has no clue what he is doing but the Cowboys are all in for the playoffs with one of their toughest schedules in recent memory.
 
baltcowboy said:
It’s a good trade as now you have made your defensive tackles a strength going forward. Williams is one of the top defensive tackles in the league and he fits well with Eberflus. This is the Cooper 2019 trade all over again. Jerry has no clue what he is doing but the Cowboys are all in for the playoffs with one of their toughest schedules in recent memory.
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you dont mean playoffs this year though right my friend?
 
Amarth said:
That’s funny because Osa had a very similar pressure rate as Williams over the past 2 years and a slightly lower run stop rate.
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I believe Williams to be a more disruptive player, which is what you need at 3-tech. When DCs have to game-plan around a player, when to use combo blocks, when to use a chip, etc., then that player is doing his job even if he's not the primary one to benefit from it. I've been crying for a disruptive 3-tech since we switched back to the 4-3 after Parcells and Phillips, and I think we finally got one. We've been searching the draft for one ever since then with limited luck.
 
J817 said:
You mean Dallas traded Micah Parsons and a 2nd round pick for Quinnen Williams, Kenny Clark and a 1st round pick.
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@boysfanindc
As @Carson stated and I've stated, I don't see Clark being part of the discussion next year unless he takes a huge pay cut no matter what Jerry has told the media BEFORE the QWill trade. Clark was a perfect option because of the out in his contract coming at the end of next year. Definitely makes the trade look even weaker than it already was for Parsons imo.
 
Amarth said:
Those are all fair points but first of all, the Jets are ranked 3 spots in front of us against the run, they’re good for 7th worst. Do you think one guy is coming to come in here and significantly change that? Remember what we gave up to acquire him, jerry helped solve one problem (helping stop the run) by creating another (trading Parsons; pressuring the QB).

Williams has been falling off the last 2 years, he’s still good but statistically he’s not much better than Osa. Williams is also getting older, he could very well see a resurgence but he may be on the downside already whereas Parsons is probably is still ascending.

Don’t forget, the Jets also get the higher 1st round pick of 2027 between the Packers and us, which could end up being huge. I dunno man, he’s a good player, but he’s not making that much of a difference on the Jets against the run and I don’t think our current roster is that much better than theirs defensively. This may be putting a band aid on a shotgun wound with lots of wishful thinking.

This team needs young talent on rookie contracts, which is especially nice with 1st round picks because you get the 5th year option, but jerrah knows he’s too old to start a true rebuild so this is his version of going “all in” and making some noise but I don’t think Williams is going to be the answer. They have a loooong ways to go.
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Ok. When you step back and include the totality of how all of this transpired, we are on the same page. Trading Parsons resulting in a cascade that led to this is not a good result.

What Jerry would have done if he was truly all-in on a SB run is to have signed Parsons and THEN trade for Williams if and when an opportunity presented itself and pair them up. But Jerry is never all-in and the only reason he made this trade was to save face from his disastrous roster management. So in totality, I’m with you. This was not a net positive for the roster going back to losing Micah. I was initially only speaking about the trade relative to where we currently are as a team.
 
J817 said:
You mean Dallas traded Micah Parsons and a 2nd round pick for Quinnen Williams, Kenny Clark and a 1st round pick.
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Some are saying you can’t count Clark because we gave up Mazi.

I guess Mazi’s comp is Clark for some people.
 
sjmike said:
we are out of it this season and he is an older player on the decline. I like the trade. Hoping it works out
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I get the timing critique, but that’s a result of Jerry’s roster managing incompetence.

I don’t think Williams should necessarily be defined as an “older player on the decline”. He’s only 28. I mean, that should be the upper middle portion of his prime years.

But he IS coming here, and the environment here is certainly not a place to inspire grit and fortitude.
 
silver said:
This is what good teams do in March, not November when the season is virtually over with the upcoming schedule.
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Takes Jethro and Company a little bit longer to plan and react. Who are we kidding, no planning at all, just reacting. At least we can finally say they have a stud up there.
 
montgod said:
@boysfanindc
As @Carson stated and I've stated, I don't see Clark being part of the discussion next year unless he takes a huge pay cut no matter what Jerry has told the media BEFORE the QWill trade. Clark was a perfect option because of the out in his contract coming at the end of next year. Definitely makes the trade look even weaker than it already was for Parsons imo.
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There is no reason to dump him from a salary cap perspective.
 
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