Globe: Vinatieri's market value going down?

[LittleBoyBlue]

You talk till your blue in the face but you don't spend 3 mill for a fricken Kicker if I spend money like that the guy better do more than kick a damn ball that is more in line what you pay every down position players not a kicker. Dallas can go out and get a quality kicker and not spend that kind of money to do so.

A difference of opinion thats fine...

If NE offers 2.5 and we are in the bidding we WILL have to make a better offer....

 

[Hostile]

Just because a kicker has never been paid a big contract(YET) doesnt mean its not the right thing to do.... unprecedented is all......

You never played the game or you were a kicker.

You talk about putting a target right on a guy's chest, give a kicker that kind of green and put him in a locker room full of guys who lay their bodies on the line for less.

 

[Jarv]

Wonder if "Gus the mule" is still availible ?

 

[Doomsday101]

A difference of opinion thats fine...

If NE offers 2.5 and we are in the bidding we WILL have to make a better offer....

Then I pass on that kicker but I don't hand over that kind of money to a kicker. Sorry the NE kicker is not the only kicker out there and for 2.5 I want better than 0 of 2 from 50 yards out

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

You never played the game or you were a kicker.

You talk about putting a target right on a guy's chest, give a kicker that kind of green and put him in a locker room full of guys who lay their bodies on the line for less.

Is that the same "target" that is on McNabb or Peytons chest???
BOTH have accomplished NOTHING.

 

[spindoc]

kickers arnt worth 3 million a yr...they dont make THAT much difference...
David

You are completely wrong. Kickers are even more important in today's "competitive" NFL AND in Parcell's "let's play it close and pull it out in the 4th Quarter" strategy. Dallas played many games last year decided by very few points, so I don't understand your argument. Parcell's will play a very conservate game again next year so we need every three points.

Actually, Dallas should have already signed a kicker and should have set the new standard with a $4 million signing bonus.

 

[SouthernStar]

You don't pay free safeties. Arguably its the least important position on the defense.

Really?

 

[junk]

Shoddy kicking game directly cost us 2 games last year. That puts us in the playoffs. A vet min kicker is $600K - So for a little over $1M you don't pay a reliable kicker? Man thats funny! Thats a box of rox logix!

Especially as Cap went up over $17M and we are reported over $20M under cap! Lets not use $1M of it on a kicker!

What about "rueing the day" that Dallas cut Cundiff?

 

[Redball Express]

Here... be smart and read this....

"In Dallas, the Cowboys have never spent $1 million in a season on a kicker, let alone $3 million. But owner Jerry Jones is on record saying that the team will sign a veteran kicker after missed field goals cost the Cowboys a playoff berth in 2005. And there’s no underestimating the pull of head coach Bill Parcells, who gave Vinatieri his start as an undrafted free agent in New England a decade ago."

But to draw a line thru them and say they are all going to line up and Dallas is going to pay $3 mil for a PK to me is nuts.

The biggest mistake was not in not having a PK after Cundiff folded..but it was in not having Hoffman there to take the remaining kickers and give them confidence to come out and kick after the fact.

And to shield them from BP's contemp for the position.

And he does hold some contempt IMO.

If the kicker has to come in a salvage a drive because his offense failed to score, he's not very happy.

And if the kicker misses, BP is not the coddling type to smack them on the butt and give atta-boys.

So while I strongly feel having a veteran PK is preferred, overpaying for the privilage is not the way to go. There are just too many other holes on the team right now that kind of money is needed for.

If the offense can be improved. If we can get just one more drive a game to end in 7 pts..

..we don't need a PK that makes them from 40-50 yds. a pop.

We just need one that can kick from 40 yds in and not needed to win or lose games.

The offense should bare the vast majority of the blame for failures that ended up with the kicker having to kick us out of trouble.

Take the pressure off the kicker and score something more than 16 pt/s a game and we'll be fine.

We don't need a superstar kicker.

We need an offense that plays every week.

We can make do with what we have on the roster right now if we'd just score TD's instead of fizzle so much in the redzone.

Having a kneejerk reaction and continuing to look over your shoulder at last season isn't the right way to do this.

It's looking at what we have, look for what's available and placing the problems on the shortcomings of the 11 guys on offense instead of the one guy with the placeholder.

parcellswaterboy

 

[Alexander]

You are completely wrong. Kickers are even more important in today's "competitive" NFL AND in Parcell's "let's play it close and pull it out in the 4th Quarter" strategy. Dallas played many games last year decided by very few points, so I don't understand your argument. Parcell's will play a very conservate game again next year so we need every three points.

Actually, Dallas should have already signed a kicker and should have set the new standard with a $4 million signing bonus.

That is correct.

In general, the idea is to score more TDs.

But the style of football we play makes a kicker more important than it would be on most teams.

That being said, what we tried to trot out there last year was unacceptable no matter what kind of style of football you play.

A kicker is a necessity. At least one who can make the 35 yard kicks.

 

[junk]

Really?

That is what I think. The guy plays 15-20 yards off the ball.

I'd rather be able to stop the run and rush the passer first then have some guy that can break up passes 20-40 yards down field.

Where do free safeties land in the pecking order of salaries? About dead last after DE, DT, LB, CB and SS.

 

[Hostile]

Is that the same "target" that is on McNabb or Peytons chest???
BOTH have accomplished NOTHING.

The difference is they go out there and sweat, and bleed, and break bones, and tear ligaments, tendons, and cartliges, and get muddy to try and win games.

I'm sorry that you don't understand the locker room dynamics, but kickers are hated in locker rooms. QBs aren't. There's a huge difference.

 

[Hostile]

What about "rueing the day" that Dallas cut Cundiff?

Glad someone else asked it.

 

[BIGDen]

kickers arnt worth 3 million a yr...they dont make THAT much difference...

David

Really? Did you happen to catch the Seattle or Denver games last year? By the way, the current "dynasty" team in the NFL probably would have maybe one championship without a big time kicker. FGs won 2 of the 3 NE SBs and without that amazing kick against the Raiders they wouldn't have even been in that first SB that they won....by a FG. We have the money - why not spend an extra million for a potential HOF kicker since it fills a huge need?

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

The difference is they go out there and sweat, and bleed, and break bones, and tear ligaments, tendons, and cartliges, and get muddy to try and win games.

I'm sorry that you don't understand the locker room dynamics, but kickers are hated in locker rooms. QBs aren't. There's a huge difference.

Yeah I am sure that game winning field goals are hated by the whole locker room... oh brother.....

Yeah the whole team hates Adam Vinatieri.....
what a brute mentality... kickers are hated, kickers are not football players....

I know many agree with you so I will let this one rest....

 

[Hostile]

Yeah I am sure that game winning field goals are hated by the whole locker room... oh brother.....

Yeah the whole team hates Adam Vinatieri.....
what a brute mentality... kickers are hated, kickers are not football players....

I know many agree with you so I will let this one rest....

AdButcher played. Ask him if you think I'm making it up. scottsp did too. Ask him.

QBs grab the headlines. They get special treatment. They are still a big part of the locker room and an even bigger part of the team.

Comparing them to kickers was/is just plain foolish. I'm sorry if you cannot see that.

Take a poll of the Colts, who would you rather trust with the game on the line, Manning or Vanderjagt? Don't be shocked by the outcome.

Take the same for Brady and Vinatieri if you wish. The result would be the same.

 

[Alexander]

Yeah I am sure that game winning field goals are hated by the whole locker room... oh brother.....

Yeah the whole team hates Adam Vinatieri.....
what a brute mentality... kickers are hated, kickers are not football players....

I know many agree with you so I will let this one rest....

Vinateiri is not "hated" in the Patriot lockerroom, guaranteed.

 

[BARRYRAY]

You guys that think that a kicker isn't that important must not be watching much Cowboy football, we seem to be crapping out on free agency so far, don't let this guy get away, he is a difference maker, heck remember even in the SB the kicker might have not beat the Steelers but it sure would have beena different game if the Hawks make the fg's, this is the NFL these dyas, it is a game of 3's. Honestly if this cratered how could it be any worse than than any other bust at least we tried to upgrade our team..

 

[Doomsday101]

You guys that think that a kicker isn't that important must not be watching much Cowboy football, we seem to be crapping out on free agency so far, don't let this guy get away, he is a difference maker, heck remember even in the SB the kicker might have not beat the Steelers but it sure would have beena different game if the Hawks make the fg's, this is the NFL these dyas, it is a game of 3's. Honestly if this cratered how could it be any worse than than any other bust at least we tried to upgrade our team..

I can't speak for others but I never said Kickers were not important but I do think paying 2.5 to 3 mill a year for a kicker is not that smart. Sorry you can get a quality kicker without spending that kind of money.

 

[Nors]

What about "rueing the day" that Dallas cut Cundiff?

Are you serious?

Cortez totally sucked and Suisham - our kicking game was in shambles all year because of Cundiffs injury.