Globe: Vinatieri's market value going down?

Nors said:
Are you serious?

Cortez totally sucked and Suisham:rolleyes: - our kicking game was in shambles all year because of Cundiffs injury.
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It did not get better when Cundiff returned either.
 
Nors said:
Are you serious?

Cortez totally sucked and Suisham:rolleyes: - our kicking game was in shambles all year because of Cundiffs injury.
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Cundiff sucked too. Bringing him back helped alot. It took you a solid 4-5 months to figure out Dallas cut Cundiff because he was hurt.

Are you serious?
 
Hostile said:
Vinatieri would top my list, of course. I just don't like the price. That's just plain stupid.

My 2nd option would be Vanderjagt I guess.

3rd would be the college ranks or CFL.

I wouldn't give Vinatieri or any kicker 2 million per year unless he could regulalrly hit from 60+ yards out and kicked every kickoff out of the back of the endzone. That human being doesn't exist.
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With Vanderjagt isn't there the problem of needing a specialist for KO duty? Remember in the playoffs the Colts brought in Cortez for that job.

In the collegiate ranks, I like Huston from OSU. But that is mostly because of familiarity. His last game was undoubtedly his worst, but his misses in that were against ND were more to do with poor OL play and allowing for blocked kicks on consecutive attempts. I'm not sure who else is out there at the PK position in the draft??
 
BIGDen said:
Really? Did you happen to catch the Seattle or Denver games last year? By the way, the current "dynasty" team in the NFL probably would have maybe one championship without a big time kicker. FGs won 2 of the 3 NE SBs and without that amazing kick against the Raiders they wouldn't have even been in that first SB that they won....by a FG. We have the money - why not spend an extra million for a potential HOF kicker since it fills a huge need?
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you act like Vinateri is the only guy who could have made some of those fg's, and you dont know that...was he kicking for Seattle or Pittsburgh last yr?

Vanderjact is a great kciker too and look what happened to him, he missed one

I would love to see us get a good kicker, but it isnt worth breaking the bank for...their #1 priority should be to fix that sieve of an OL, and so far all they've done is spend 16.5mils on two guys who havent even been week in and week out starters in their careers so far

David
 
Doomsday101 said:
It did not get better when Cundiff returned either.
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First: I was again spot on - our kicking game SUCKED after we had to Injury/cut Cundiff

See Cortez EPIC shanks and game losers

Yes, Cundiff never recovered and kicked 63% nearly 18% less than previous career %. Obviously never regained pre injury form.

Edinger and Brown - 73% and 72% last year are sucky options bantered these days. Whats a better plan than Vanderjack and Vinateri boys? Who is it?

There is NONE. Ponyup BP/JJ - Now before you repeat last years mind melt at PK.
 
Nors said:
http://dallascowboyszone.com/forums/showthread.php?t=50219


Back to reality - go pay for a real kicker BP.

4 TO 5 GAMES WILL BE DECIDED ON THIS DECISION.
$22M under cap and we are getting cheap on $1.5M in cap money for All Pro talent at kicker.......
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more games will be decided on our ability to run the ball and protect our statue QB...they cant do those things and it doesnt matter who the kicker is

also need a defense which finishes games...too many years now we see the team in position to win in the 4th qtr only to see our defense yield an easy FG or TD drive down the stretch

David
 
Nors said:
First: I was again spot on - our kicking game SUCKED after we had to Injury/cut Cundiff

See Cortez EPIC shanks and game losers

Yes, Cundiff never recovered and kicked 63% nearly 18% less than previous career %. Obviously never regained pre injury form.

Edinger and Brown - 73% and 72% last year are sucky options bantered these days. Whats a better plan than Vanderjack and Vinateri boys? Who is it?

There is NONE. Ponyup BP/JJ - Now before you repeat last years mind melt at PK.
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I don't argue the need for a kicker but no I don't think you do so at any cost. All I'm saying is 2.5 and higher is too much for a kicker if you disagree well it would not be the 1st time we don't agree.
 
Interesting debate. Kinda shocking though after the season we just finished that many seem to underestimate the importance of kicker.

The more practical issue, beyond whether it's worth 3m a year for Vinatieri (and make no mistake it would take all of that- he makes $1m a year in endorsements in NE so why would he take less than 3m if they've already offered him like 2.25 for 5 years?) is what are our options? Before you spout off, there aren't many guys out there as FA's and there are a # of teams in need of kickers. The draft offers no can't miss prospects- I couldn't find a kicker this year rated higher than a 7th rounder. Edinger? Ralph.

Personally I'd be happy to pay Vianatieri 3m a year. The cap is not an issue. We're not paying a lot to the QB compared to most playoff contenders. We're not going to have a top 5 offense so we need to kick our 35 yarders virtually every time if we want to go where we want to go. But I really believe AV ends up back in NE.

My suggestion? I think Vanderjagt is getting WAY too much crap about his horrible kick in the playoffs. That was a 50 yarder, not the chip shots our array of bums specialized in missing. He was 92% for the regular season and he's the msot accurate kicker of all time. I'd rather have Vandy to a 3 year deal at around 1.5-2m per and draft a guy in the 7th to kick off and develop as a long term replacement. If you're worried about the extra roster spot I say use the guy we're looking at for 2nd TE Hannam could fill the FB role. Kicker is becoming more important in the NFL with parity and FB less with mostly 1 back sets. That's reality, like it or not.
 
Nors said:
First: I was again spot on - our kicking game SUCKED after we had to Injury/cut Cundiff

See Cortez EPIC shanks and game losers

Yes, Cundiff never recovered and kicked 63% nearly 18% less than previous career %. Obviously never regained pre injury form.

Edinger and Brown - 73% and 72% last year are sucky options bantered these days. Whats a better plan than Vanderjack and Vinateri boys? Who is it?

There is NONE. Ponyup BP/JJ - Now before you repeat last years mind melt at PK.
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You're never wrong in your own mind, are you?

I bet Jerry and Bill are at VR right now "rueing the day" they cut Cundiff.
 
dbair1967 said:
you act like Vinateri is the only guy who could have made some of those fg's, and you dont know that...was he kicking for Seattle or Pittsburgh last yr?

Vanderjact is a great kciker too and look what happened to him, he missed one

I would love to see us get a good kicker, but it isnt worth breaking the bank for...their #1 priority should be to fix that sieve of an OL, and so far all they've done is spend 16.5mils on two guys who havent even been week in and week out starters in their careers so far

David
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I'm not acting like anything actually. I'm saying that Vinatieri has been great and clutch throughout his career. Spending 500,000 to a million more than you'd like for a great kicker who fills a huge need is not exactly "breaking the bank" when you consider we are far under the cap. We will probably not be a high powered offense with this line and FGs are huge - as we saw last year. We're not talking insane money. It's rare that a player of such high quality is available, fills a need and is affordable (which he is for Dallas). Sign him.
 
junk said:
You're never wrong in your own mind, are you?

I bet Jerry and Bill are at VR right now "rueing the day" they cut Cundiff.
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I've been wrong for sure:

Wanted Merriman over Ware
Thought George had more in tank
Thought we were a playoff team last year


But damn spot on we rue'd the day after cutting kicker last year. The Cortez debacle was well documented. Cundiff never came back in old form and sucked too. Lets fix Placekicker - thats the Issue TODAY.

Try and bust Nors chops on a Rue call in 2005:rolleyes: (that I was right on):lmao2: ........

I want to address PK --- Vander J or AdamV are the best out there!
 
I think Adam posted it once, with Bonus $

Dallas paid Vinny Testaverde $5.5M as a 42 year old QB in 2004.
Yet we fret over giving Adam V or Vander J $2M -
$2.5M......
 
ravidubey said:
Viniateri is 34 years old.
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We don't need his age.....We need his leg.
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Hostile said:
You never played the game or you were a kicker.

You talk about putting a target right on a guy's chest, give a kicker that kind of green and put him in a locker room full of guys who lay their bodies on the line for less.
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Better yet, don't sign a quality kicker and have a season like last year. If my memory serves me right, I believe Larry Allen saw the target on our loser kicker(s) last year and those kickers were paid peanuts.
 
Why wouldn't we give him the money? Do we really want to go into the season millions under the cap and a crappy unproven kicker to boot? If we have the money, then spend it. Not paying kickers out of "principle" or "spite" is ludicrous.
 
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