GM's Comments on Roy Williams

[WoodysGirl]

Bambi? really? where'd that come from?

JFE called him that in her latest piece.

 

[DeaconBlues]

Without knowing who the GMs are, it's impossible to determine whether these are legitimate observations.

Opinions from NE or Pitts rate higher from me than if they're from Detriot and Washington.

 

[EMMITTnROY]

JFE called him that in her latest piece.

ahhh, that explains it..

Irony at it's best. Because I'm absolutely positive that JFE gets a "deer in headlights" look on her face every time she opens up a new Word document and sits down to write a new article.

 

[fanfromvirginia]

I'm a rational guy. I greatly recognize and appreciate Adam's expertise. I am aware that I have often gotten things very wrong and am aware that I am very biased like everybody else. I am currently finishing my dissertation in a social science, so I've had some training in the scientific method (which is, incidentally, the main reason I haven't posted in here in months.)

Having said all that I wholeheartedly, without reservations or qualifications, assert that Roy can't cover.

 

[jobberone]

I was talking more about the general prediction that he'd get back on track. But let me say this, any time a guy has to "rededicate" and refocus then you've again got a low probability proposition.

and so I don't get labeled a Roy hater let me say again that I like Roy and I want him to do well

Without knowing who the GMs are, it's impossible to determine whether these are legitimate observations.

Opinions from NE or Pitts rate higher from me than if they're from Detriot and Washington.

It's worthless. And it appears to violate the rumor thingie on this board. For all I know someone made it up. However....

I don't understand why people have to dance around the subject. It's not disloyal to say what is obvious to almost everyone.

Roy doesn't cover well at this point in his career for whatever the multifactorial reasons are. He doesn't cover well enough to keep his own confidence up hence the I wish they wouldn't throw the ball by way (I already know the mantra on that one guys...save it up). He doesn't cover well enough to keep the staff from unhappily admitting that Roy would not be in the loop for some passing situations this year (I know the mantra on this one...I know them all by heart now I promise). Roy doesn't cover well enough that Newman-who never says anything about anyone-says he's like a deer in the headlights and had a poor season in coverage last year.

However, despite all those....hmmmm, myths.....yeah, myths.....Roy doesn't suck in coverage, and he can still cover at times...gollygee. And...oh well...you get the picture. You can't hide the guy behind the ands and thes. Nor personal attacks or spin threads. He sticks out like a sore frackin' thumb at times.

Disclaimer: This poster does not think Roy or the Cowboys suck. Roy is a very nice person. Roy is a pretty good football player. Roy is better than the average safety in the league whatever that means.

I'm going outside to play with my telescope. I will read whatever comes next just later.

 

[superpunk]

have i told you lately that i love you?

I feel you.

no he said if and might.

plus maybe he's friendly/sympathetic to Roy and didn't want to hatchet him.

either way he was a promising #8 OVERALL PICK who CANT COVER and ultimately that is a waste

Here's that Taylor breakdown.

Jason Taylor, defensive end, Miami

Miami said it wasn't shopping Taylor before the draft when, in fact, it was. So much for the credibility of Bill Parcells. Now, the question is: What's in Taylor's future? Dolphins coach Tony Sparano says he wants Taylor back, but Sparano isn't the obstacle here; Parcells is. So what do you offer to get Taylor away from him?

GM No. 1: "If I were a team that finished 9-7, 10-6 or 11-5, was looking to take the next step and thought this guy could put me over the top, I'd probably be willing to give up a third-rounder. He's starting to drop off, but he could still help someone. The problem is that it would be for one or two years, and that's it. So he's not going to help someone in the middle of the pack or someone trying to build for the future. He can still be a dominant player, but not for long."

GM No. 2: "You're talking to the wrong guy. I wouldn't be interested in him because I don't think he's a player I want in my locker room. Second, he's talking about playing one or two more years. So that's an issue. Yeah, he can still play, but I've never really trusted him. He can rush the passer, but I'm not sure he's not a disruptive force on your team -- someone who works quietly behind the scenes in the locker room. And those guys are dangerous to me.

I can't imagine Bill Parcells paying him $8 million for one year, which means I can't envision him playing there this year. But I don't know where he goes. I guess if you're a team that's near the top you make a push for him, but I wouldn't give anything higher than a fourth-rounder. I think his making that statement about playing one year was a mistake because it's going to limit the teams interested in him. And I wouldn't be one of them."

GM No. 3: "I'd probably be willing to give up a third-round pick. You have to remember you're getting a player who averages 12½ sacks the past eight years. But he's also someone who's a leader and who has the intangibles you're looking for. You're going to get a good football player. My only question would be: How long do you have him?"

GM No. 4: "From what I understand, he wants to play only one more year, so that skews things. That would temper my interest, which means I wouldn't pay anything higher than a fifth-rounder for him. The guy can still play and is effective going after the passer off the edge. But because I'd have to pay him as one of the top five defensive ends in the game, it would temper my interest in terms of what I would give up for him."

 

[WoodysGirl]

It's worthless. And it appears to violate the rumor thingie on this board. For all I know someone made it up. However....

The original post was snipped from an article on sportsline.com so it doesn't fall under the rumor guidelines.

http://www.sportsline.com/nfl/story/10855212

 

[chinch]

Um.... Darren basically said he can't cover. Few coaches or players rip into other players. Tuna... blah.

Stats LLC... you are a prime example how to spin numbers to make a predetermined point. Great job! While hype and his salary and playing for "america's team" helped get Roy to the probowl every DC schemes to toast him over and over and over and over on gameday. What a probowler he is!

And lets be clear.... if everyone is healthy, he will be the the WEAKEST most EXPLOITABLE defensive player on the field this year

Yeah, because anyone who says anything good about Roy must be lying.

Bill Parcells, Wade Phillips, Brian Stewart, Dave Campo, Terence Newman, Aaron Glenn, NFL general managers, Darren Woodson, Ronnie Lott, "everybody at Valley Ranch," Ken Hamlin, K.C. Joyner, Football Outsiders, STATS LLC, etc., etc., etc.

All liars.

 

[28 Joker]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3089524&type=story

Mike (Dallas):

My buddy said that not only is Roy Wiliams the most overrated player in the NFL, he's no better than the sixth best safety in his own division, behind Dawkins, Considine, Landry, Taylor, and G. Wilson. Is he nuts?

Chris Mortensen:

"No, he's not nuts. The consensus of coaches and personnel men around the NFL is that Williams is not a Pro Bowl-caliber safety. They say he isa liability in pass coverage and that he too frequently misses his "gap" responsibilities in the running game".

 

[28 Joker]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnxo-T7nCcg&feature=related

Here is a great highlight package of Roy Williams looking like a Pro Bowl player. The first song is "Superman". The video is a little poor, but it is worth it for sure.

This is the Roy Williams the fans miss.

 

[theogt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cnxo-T7nCcg&feature=related

Here is a great highlight package of Roy Williams looking like a Pro Bowl player. The first song is "Superman". The video is a little poor, but it is worth it for sure.

This is the Roy Williams the fans miss.

I didn't finish watching it, but other than that first INT there wasn't much special about it. It's the same guy as was on the field in '08.

 

[Rampage]

I didn't finish watching it, but other than that first INT there wasn't much special about it. It's the same guy as was on the field in '08.

really? i guess i must've missed all the big plays he made in 08(you mean 07)

 

[superpunk]

http://sports.espn.go.com/espn/print?id=3089524&type=story

Mike (Dallas):

My buddy said that not only is Roy Wiliams the most overrated player in the NFL, he's no better than the sixth best safety in his own division, behind Dawkins, Considine, Landry, Taylor, and G. Wilson. Is he nuts?

Chris Mortensen:

"No, he's not nuts. The consensus of coaches and personnel men around the NFL is that Williams is not a Pro Bowl-caliber safety. They say he isa liability in pass coverage and that he too frequently misses his "gap" responsibilities in the running game".

From Randy Galloway, since we're quoting columnists (Mort is not a "reporter" anymore) and their sources as gospel now. (I don't have the link saved - just the blurb)

One respected AFC defensive coordinator cursed loudly when asked about it last week.

Cleaning up the comments, he said, "Give me a month with DeMarcus Ware, and he'll be Jason Taylor."

The only area of concern among coaches in the 3-4, 4-3 discussion was "some" of the Cowboys' linebackers. Of interest, not one had lost faith in safety Roy Williams, despite his coverage problems this season.

I guess they just talk to different people.

 

[daniukid]

I would take a 2nd, 3rd, 4th, or 5th rounder to get rid of R Williams now. I think that his best days are behind him, we get rid of his ridiculous contract, and we head off him becoming more of a malcontent.

I hate to say it, but I used to love Roy. It is time to move on.
daniukid

 

[NextGenBoys]

Please not another Roy thread. It's to the point now where I feel sorry for the guy.

 

[Real1st]

Roy has one more season to prove him self or he is done in Dallas

 

[starfrombirth]

what in the world. If you are man enough to criticize someone, put your name on it. If you are a GM in this league and have opinions to give to reporters, put your name on it.

What a bunch of crap.

oh and Rodney harrison and Roy williams are the same player. Rodney has a little more fire and I dare say roy is a better safety in my eyes when it comes to agility and moving around.

Imagine this. Your in the super bowl, its third and long. If your defense gets the stop you are most likely going to win the superbowl. Late in the 4th qtr. The ball is snapped the pressure gets to the qb, they have him he is going down and then all of a sudden he gets free and throws a prayer right down the middle of the field. Amazingly the wr catches it. You end up losing.

Hello? now open your eyes. Its rodney harrison. Beat like a drum by a scrub wr on what some call the most incredible play in super bowl history.

so here is my note to the media, go right articles on how harrison cant cover. Cause I know that if Roy Williams got beat in the super bowl by a scrub wr right down the middle of the field where he was supposed to be they would talk about it all day.

sorry for ranting.

That was a freaking amazing catch and that receiver was covered about as well as you can cover a receiver. Sorry, blind yourself to the truth all you want. That was a once in a lifetime catch even if it was a "scrub" who caught it!

 

[starfrombirth]

Brad Johnson has more jewelry than Romo.

*checks the depth chart*

Yup, Romo's still the starter.

Theo, I see you rip Brad Johnson continuously so I have to wonder... have you examined his career at all? Brad Johnson wasn't a high draft pick but he has produced some of the best offenses ever. Remember the offensive record that Crayton so brashly promised we'd break last year, belongs to who? Oh yeah, Johnson. He had a top 5 offense with the Commanders as well. Oh and the Tampa team that he took to the superbowl (with a broken rib by the way) was also the top offense in the NFC. Go ahead and do your research so you can tear apart my argument by going "Oh yeah? They weren't first, they were second so obviously you don't know anything!". Semantics aside, he has very often been one of the best producing qb's in the nfl and he deserves a little respect because he has NEVER been a scrub. He might not have the arm he used to have but I would take his football intelligence in a minute if we needed him. Do I want him over Romo? No! But as a backup qb at this stage of his career, I can't think of anyone out there I'd rather have.

 

[starfrombirth]

Stopping the run isn't DeMarcus Ware's greatest attribute. Does that mean he can't stop the run?

There's a difference between saying someone isn't great at something or is limited at something and saying he can't do something at all. It's the difference between accuracy and exaggeration.

Adam, you'll never hear anyone in the nfl circle say that about DWare. Your a smart man and I know that you know when someone is saying something political. You hear, just like we did, the hesitation in Brian's voice as he was trying to figure out how to answer the question and still be politically correct. Come on Adam.

 

[starfrombirth]

It's never been his strength. It wasn't his strength in college, and it's never been his strength in the NFL. I've said that many times.

Adam, he CAN'T cover, not in any reasonable expectation of the concept anyways. I agree that he is wrongly accused of blown coverages sometimes but there are a lot of times that it is his fault. Teams openly started saying last year that that was the area of our defense that they were going to attack and they did and we still couldn't do anything about it. You once stated that teams always try to attack the safety but I have to disagree. I defy you to say that they attack Ed Reed or Palamalu or Dawkins or Sharper. I can look up some more names but I think Ive made my point. He can't cover!