Good God you people. Stop freaking over WR

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Alexander;2159693 said:
You can win with a subpar second receiver if your running game in on task.

You can win with a subpar second WR when you have an All Pro WR and an All Pro pass receiving TE opposite him. There isn't a team in the league with two starting Pro Bowl caliber WR's and a Pro Bowl TE. The list of teams that have 2 out of 3 you can count on one hand.

The only team that comes close is the Colts, and that's if you think Marvin Harrison isn't toast and rebounds. But even if he does, Dallas Clark is going to go back to being 'just a guy", because he didn't have his breakout year until Marvin went down. There's only so many pass targets to go around.
 

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InmanRoshi;2159930 said:
You can win with a subpar second WR when you have an All Pro WR and an All Pro pass receiving TE. There isn't a team in the league with two starting Pro Bowl WR's and a Pro Bowl TE. The list of teams that have 2 out of 3 you can count on one hand.


yep exactly right.

Quick name the steelers wr in 05. Name baltimores wr in 00. Name New englands wr in 03, 04.

We have more than enough to win.
 

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cowboyrock;2159486 said:
No one is saying Glenn should not be gone. i thought he was washed up. my problem is why did Jerry not address the WR's in the draft and free-agency? nobody wants to go into the season counting on the likes of P.Crayton,Miles Austin and Sam hurd.PERIOD!

cause likely there was no one in the draft worth having when it was our pick.
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what FA WR out there did you have your eye on?

bringing in a new name to make people happy isn't always a good idea. if what we could have gotten isn't any better than what we have, why do it? to make you happy?

we have TO, witten, barber, and now jones we can throw too also. yes i'd like another #2 WR but not just some scrub to come in and be a warm body for a bit.

so chill out. PERIOD.
 

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Deep_Freeze;2159513 said:
I guess the deal is everyone hopes we got better on offense, not stayed the same. Sure, you can mention a rookie backup RB if you want, but that is all that can be said for any improvement.

Other teams did improve, the issue is we didn't on offense.

i disagree. how did we regress? if you say glenn being gone hurts us - how? he wasn't here last year was he? we've got too many weapons to be crying over losing one who didn't play anyway.

we lost julius and brought in felix. we lost that italian dude and brought in bennett who we hope will be an improvement. i think we did improve. but we have a very high scoring offense last year too. how much more can it improve?
 

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cowboyrock;2159554 said:
How do we know they are better until we see them in real games? we keep reading and hearing how much better they are. but seeing is believing.

for some even that isn't good enough when it crosses their agenda.
 

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UVAwahoos;2159566 said:
I must've missed the memo saying we're supposed to blindingly conform to JJ and agree with everything he does, or else we're considered "trolls" and labelled into "the sky is falling" group.

Talk to any sober, non-homer and I think they will agree we are thin at WR. Does that mean the sky is falling? No. Does that mean we're going to go 5-11? No.

But if the goal is to win a Super Bowl, than I think it's ok to say we have not really addressed a position that crumbled last year in the home stretch, (particularly in the playoff loss) and that's just inexcusable. You hope for young players to develop when you're rebuilding, not when you're expecting to win the conference. I'm open to becoming pleasently surprised and seeing a breakout season from one of these WRs opposite TO, but I just don't think that's the mentality to have when you've worked for years to rebuild and get back to the top. It's fine that there was nobody to draft or trade for, but even if it took an extra $1.2 million to keep Glenn on the roster, and allow him to practice, wouldn't you want to go forward with the best roster possible? I see the roster better with Glenn than without personally. That doesn't mean the sky is falling, but it doesn't make me happy either because I already saw what happens to our offense when TO is not playing or not 100%. We can't prevent injuries, but we can prepare for them, and I sure don't think we're prepared for an injury at WR.

so what would you have done to fix this problem?

i hear a lot of whining and wahing but none of the people saying we're so bad off have yet to show a plan on how they would have, or we could still fix it.
 

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We have so much speed on this team, it's ridiculous, including at wide out. Yes, we have T.O., Crayton, Miles, Hurd, Stan, etc. But don't forget about the top TE in the conference in Witten and also the influx of Adam Jones and Felix Jones into the vertical passing attack. Ultimately, the "lack" of big name wide receivers behind Owens is a blessing in disguise because it will force us to give the ball to our playmakers (Witt, Owens, Barber), and I can only see good out of that.
 

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QB- most experts rank him within the top six in the league
O-Line - most experts rank them within the top five in the league
TE - most experts rank him within the top three in the league
RB Duo - TBD, but I've seen them ranked within the top five, usually within the tp ten.
WR#1 - Most experts place him within the top three, but usually #2 behind Moss.

So our weakest link is having a serviceable but not great number 2? The man caught over 50 balls last year and has produced better stats each year he's been in the league. Sorry that we may have to settle for one of the top offenses in the league instead of the greatest ever fielded, but that is just nit-picking.
 

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If TO holds up, then no problem. But more proven depth would ease my concern.

I still feel like the late season injury to TO hurt us with regard to our WR core. We didn't have enough proven depth at the position to compensate well enough to make a difference. Obviously there is no way to compensate for the loss of a player like TO, but at least we would have enough talent to make do.

The loss of Romo would be too much to recover from, and right now the same could be said for the loss of TO. If we simply had another experienced WR as an insurance policy, then Romo could make it happen in the event that we had to do without TO.

I'm not comfortable with placing all the pressure on a young Romo and a slew of immature WR's.
 

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STAR GAZER;2160096 said:
If TO holds up, then no problem. But more proven depth would ease my concern.

I still feel like the late season injury to TO hurt us with regard to our WR core. We didn't have enough proven depth at the position to compensate well enough to make a difference. Obviously there is no way to compensate for the loss of a player like TO, but at least we would have enough talent to make do.

The loss of Romo would be too much to recover from, and right now the same could be said for the loss of TO. If we simply had another experienced WR as an insurance policy, then Romo could make it happen in the event that we had to do without TO.

I'm not comfortable with placing all the pressure on a young Romo and a slew of immature WR's.

immature? so when do they step up? every year it seems we LOVE our 3, 4 and 5 WRs cause they've got all this potential. now that it's time for them to see if they can step up we've got a bunch of linuses running around looking for their security blanket.

this team is NOT lacking in talent. if austin and hurd have been waiting for their chance, great. they get it now. our WR situation is not real different than last year and we were pretty darn good, ya know?

if we didn't have so many other weapons i could see where the problem could come from. however now it just seems like people are looking for something to be the problem cause we need to wring our hands at something and go OH ME OH MY!

not gonna play that game. we improved at TE and RB and have one hell of a return guy and no knows what choice will do. we'll be fine. if we can get bolden, even better. otherwise it's time to find out if our 2-3 years of investing in hurd and austin and stanback can pay off.

if they can't we've still got a deep team to compensate.
 

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It's amazing how people say that wide receivers don't win championships, but if you "believe" that your team is lacking at that position, it evokes quite a bit of worry.

Tex Schramm once said "There's a wide receiver on every corner."

Everson Walls response was "Then why don't we have one?"
 

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Boyzmamacita;2160160 said:
It's amazing how people say that wide receivers don't win championships, but if you "believe" that your team is lacking at that position, it evokes quite a bit of worry.

Tex Schramm once said "There's a wide receiver on every corner."

Everson Walls response was "Then why don't we have one?"

so far i've not seen anyone say that wr's don't win championships in here. no, not read it all to be sure. but what is so different about our WR situation this year than last? crayton, stanback hurd and austin all have another year under their belt. that should be a plus. and if we were weaker in other areas i could see the need for a more "known" WR. but with TO, witten, jones, barber, and to a degree crayton all getting their share, how many balls do we have to go around?

should we have reached for sweed? if so we lost jones or jenkins. what FA is out there we should have looked more closely at?

jones isn't reaching to get more of the same. he shouldn't. i have every faith he'll improve the position as needed and when the right one comes along. there's just no need to bring in 2nd and 3rd tier wr's just to take even more snaps away from who we're trying to develop ourselves.

it's gonna be ok.
 

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iceberg;2160152 said:
immature? so when do they step up? every year it seems we LOVE our 3, 4 and 5 WRs cause they've got all this potential. now that it's time for them to see if they can step up we've got a bunch of linuses running around looking for their security blanket.

this team is NOT lacking in talent. if austin and hurd have been waiting for their chance, great. they get it now. our WR situation is not real different than last year and we were pretty darn good, ya know?

if we didn't have so many other weapons i could see where the problem could come from. however now it just seems like people are looking for something to be the problem cause we need to wring our hands at something and go OH ME OH MY!

not gonna play that game. we improved at TE and RB and have one hell of a return guy and no knows what choice will do. we'll be fine. if we can get bolden, even better. otherwise it's time to find out if our 2-3 years of investing in hurd and austin and stanback can pay off.

if they can't we've still got a deep team to compensate.

Mr. know it all has done his fair share of commenting on everyones opinion. And it seems as if everyone is wrong accept himself.

Go get a life. :rolleyes:
 

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STAR GAZER;2160315 said:
Mr. know it all has done his fair share of commenting on everyones opinion. And it seems as if everyone is wrong accept himself.

Go get a life. :rolleyes:

mommy take your wanker extender away dude?

if you don't like people commenting on messages, a message board could be a bad place for you.
 

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iceberg;2160323 said:
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if you don't like people commenting on messages, a message board could be a bad place for you.

I dont mind someone commenting, but it seems that you do. You simply pick apart every comment that anyone seems to express that is not similar to your line of thinking.

Then you make ******** comments like mommy take your wanker extender away dude.

Looks like someone has some growing up to do. :D
 
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Cajuncowboy;2159455 said:
Two or three threads about how we are devastated at WR because we put all our eggs in Glenn's basket.

I'm sorry but last year he caught what, like three balls and played in a meaning less game for one play and then sat.

We were 13-3 and the #1 seed in the entire conference with the guys we have right now. What makes you people think they will be worse this year.

I like Glenn but as far as I'm concerned this is year two without him.

Geez, one practice and the sky is falling.

I would love to have Boldin or Roy Williams like most of you but I won't jump off a cliff if it doesn't happen. We will be fine with Crayton, Hurd and Austin.


As far as I'm concerned, everytime Hurd and Austin touched the field last year they made the plays they were suppose to. Blocks, Catches, Etc... My biggest thing.. If T. Brady can get it done with Moss and a bunch of 3-4 year guys like he has done in the past..theres no reason why Romo can't. I'd much rather have a more balanced attack this year anyway. Let Barber and Jones run wild behind that line..or in front of it :)
 

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Deep_Freeze;2159513 said:
I guess the deal is everyone hopes we got better on offense, not stayed the same. Sure, you can mention a rookie backup RB if you want, but that is all that can be said for any improvement.

Other teams did improve, the issue is we didn't on offense.

How much do we need to improve. I think the more we play together the better we will be like the Colts. It will come together we just have to be patient.
 

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God forbid TO gets injured again. However, he does have a significant history, of late, with injuries. If he's gone, our offense will not be good enough. It's as simple as that, to me. I don't care who you have at RB. It won't matter if he goes down IMO. That's the worry and it is justified IMO. TO is the key to our offense. If he is gone, lets see how many All Pro's we have on the O side. It will also be interesting to see who says what if TO is seriously injured this year. I suspect there will be a lot of back tracking but lets hope in does not come to that.
 

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STAR GAZER;2160330 said:
I dont mind someone commenting, but it seems that you do. You simply pick apart every comment that anyone seems to express that is not similar to your line of thinking.

Then you make ******** comments like mommy take your wanker extender away dude.

Looks like someone has some growing up to do. :D

well let me know when you get there.
 
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