Goodell a great Commish for the times

[Haimerej]

Fans forget that a guilty verdict isn’t necessary to violate the Personal Conduct Policy. The fact he was accused for DV tarnished the leagues image which is all that’s necessary for a violation.

And he didn’t help himself with the other incidents diminishing his character making him look guilty with arrogance not caring while he was under investigation leaving the league little choice based on the policy to suspend .

It was unprecedented and unevenly applied. How many players since him have received equal treatment?

 

[Haimerej]

They’ve done a great job navigating thru some of the toughest issues the league has been confronted with.

Football is bigger than they are. If by, "navigated," you mean they've yet to destroy America's favorite sport, I don't see the need for congratulation.

 

[Diehardblues]

Football is bigger than they are. If by, "navigated," you mean they've yet to destroy America's favorite sport, I don't see the need for congratulation.

When you considered the CTE billions dollar lawsuits could have ended the NFL, I’d argue their actions has saved it from being totally destroyed. Litigation is the biggest threat to the league.

 

[Diehardblues]

It was unprecedented and unevenly applied. How many players since him have received equal treatment?

I’m not sure how we’d measure it?

 

[Haimerej]

When you considered the CTE billions dollar lawsuits could have ended the NFL, I’d argue their actions has saved it from being totally destroyed. Litigation is the biggest threat to the league.

But for the owners? Please.

 

[Haimerej]

I’m not sure how we’d measure it?

Kinda proves my point.

 

[Diehardblues]

But for the owners? Please.

If it threatens the league then it in turns threatens the owners franchises.

 

[Haimerej]

If it threatens the league then it in turns threatens the owners franchises.

Again- football is bigger than these guys. That's the reason it sustained. Many of them were probably the reason the CTE issue became such a scandal to begin with.

 

[Diehardblues]

Kinda proves my point.

It’s a judgement decision. If you believed Elliott probably did something then you agree with the decision. And his conduct after the incident with other altercations didn’t help his cause.

But to violate the Personal Conduct Policy a guilty verdict isn’t necessary. Only an accusation and public perception of wrong doing which tarnishes the image of the league. Fans get too wrapped up in a guilty / innocent. He was guilty of tarnishing the image of the league with poor choices in women

 

[Haimerej]

It’s a judgement decision. If you believed Elliott probably did something then you agree with the decision. And his conduct after the incident with other altercations didn’t help his cause.

But to violate the Personal Conduct Policy a guilty verdict isn’t necessary. Only an accusation and public perception of wrong doing which tarnishes the image of the league. Fans get too wrapped up in a guilty / innocent. He was guilty of tarnishing the image of the league with poor choices in women

So you can't point to a similar circumstance?

Do you understand that Goodell's uneven treatment of players under the policy has tarnished the league?

 

[Diehardblues]

Again- football is bigger than these guys. That's the reason it sustained. Many of them were probably the reason the CTE issue became such a scandal to begin with.

Unfortunately the CTE issue isn’t over. It still is possible to cause more litigation down the road.

The NFL and NCAA will continue to make rule changes to lessen the burden of responsibility in a court of law. Or worse yet before Congress which could threaten their Anti Trust status if the people don’t feel enough is being done.

This is the biggest issue Football has faced and will continue to face in years to come. Football is not bigger than the liability of litigation , at least not in the form of the sport we know it as. We already have fans bellyaching how the game has been impacted with rule changes attempting to fight off more litigation.

The game will continue evolving to meet the demands and issues of the day. Most of these changes the fans won’t like.

 

[Diehardblues]

So you can't point to a similar circumstance?

Do you understand that Goodell's uneven treatment of players under the policy has tarnished the league?

I don’t agree with that assessment. I’d argue for the most part his judgement has suited the offense and public outcry the incident presented.

 

[Haimerej]

Unfortunately the CTE issue isn’t over. It still is possible to cause more litigation down the road.

The NFL and NCAA will continue to make rule changes to lessen the burden of responsibility in a court of law. Or worse yet before Congress which could threaten their Anti Trust status if the people don’t feel enough is being done.

This is the biggest issue Football has faced and will continue to face in years to come. Football is not bigger than the liability of litigation , at least not in the form of the sport we know it as. We already have fans bellyaching how the game has been impacted with rule changes attempting to fight off more litigation.

The game will continue evolving to meet the demands and issues of the day. Most of these changes the fans won’t like.

There's an accepted risk inherent in the sport. We have a guy who lost nerve function in his leg. We have a tackle who could have lifelong back issues. This isn't new territory. The acrobat can't sue the circus if he misses his trapeze. You should understand this being an insurance guy.

 

[Haimerej]

I don’t agree with that assessment. I’d argue for the most part his judgement has suited the offense and public outcry the incident presented.

You judge public outcry by media coverage. You're essentially saying the media picks the punishment.

 

[Diehardblues]

There's an accepted risk inherent in the sport. We have a guy who lost nerve function in his leg. We have a tackle who could have lifelong back issues. This isn't new territory. The acrobat can't sue the circus if he misses his trapeze. You should understand this being an insurance guy.

But CTE is another animal . This is something the league knew about . And still do. Some injury liability for players is expected but this again goes beyond the normal expediency especially when there’s known solutions to limit these injuries .

And the fact some fans may believe it’s simply part of the game that won’t be enough to satisfy litigation.

 

[Diehardblues]

You judge public outcry by media coverage. You're essentially saying the media picks the punishment.

Well, the media and public perception is what can tarnish the image. Much like with any public professional position. We’ve seen celebrities in other entertainment fields have their careers ruined as a result .

Make no mistake now in a multi billion dollar industry playing in the NFL is not just about playing football. It’s a sports entertainment business which relies on public image and perception.

We must except playing in the NFL is a privilege. And the players know the rules coming in. If you don’t want to adhere then there are casualties. Fortunately about 99% of the players don’t cross the line or leave themselves in these vulnerable situations.

 

[Haimerej]

But CTE is another animal . This is something the league knew about . And still do. Some injury liability for players is expected but this again goes beyond the normal expediency especially when there’s known solutions to limit these injuries .

And the fact some fans may believe it’s simply part of the game that won’t be enough to satisfy litigation.

Players knew about it, too. Hell, people have known for a long time not to take too many shots to the head. You ever heard of boxing?

Everything you said above applies to every injury in football. People have broken their backs. People have never walked again. That wouldn't happen if it wasn't a contact sport.

 

[kskboys]

It was unprecedented and unevenly applied. How many players since him have received equal treatment?

All.

When a player takes his punishment and shows regret, his sentence is reduced. Zeke and Jerry chose not to.

 

[Haimerej]

Well, the media and public perception is what can tarnish the image.

But those aren't 1 and the same.

Much like with any public professional position. We’ve seen celebrities in other entertainment fields have their careers ruined as a result .

Cancel culture is losing it's luster.

Make no mistake now in a multi billion dollar industry playing in the NFL is not just about playing football. It’s a sports entertainment business which relies on public image and perception.

Yep. What is the current perception among fans of the NFL? You're seemingly arguing against your point here.

We must except playing in the NFL is a privilege. And the players know the rules coming in.

Unless it's a fundamental rule like getting knocked out too much is bad for your health. Then they have no responsibility.

If you don’t want to adhere then there are casualties. Fortunately about 99% of the players don’t cross the line or leave themselves in these vulnerable situations.

You're going into, "he was right to punish Zeke," stuff. That's not the argument. The argument is he doesn't punish evenly across the board and that has, "tarnished the image of the league."

 

[Haimerej]

All.

Ridiculous.

When a player takes his punishment and shows regret, his sentence is reduced. Zeke and Jerry chose not to.

Mayhaps they had a reason.