Goodell and the refs have it out for the Cowboys?

[America's Cowboy]

I think the rest of us need to clear out of here and let @Rockport and @America's Cowboy go 1v1.

I just proved my case, link provided which included videos and testimonies against such bias and favoritism calls for certain QBs and their teams. Heck, even Tom Brady's own team and city newspaper agreed how Brady and the Bucs get preferential treatment and calls in their favor by them refs. Can't dispute that.

I believe deflate gate came after another scandal, spygate?

I think they wanted to save face on that one, show they were not in cajuts with the Patriots. I tend to think the league does want him to keep his upward popularity and legend pointing up, he is really a great player, has historical achivementes and is still playing, I don't dispute that. The NFL took him to Europe this year and it was a Brady Fest! People around the world link Brady to NFL products, my nieces who know nothing about football bought his patriots jersey and now want the Bucs.

BTW I appreciate you bring up intelligent arguments and respectful dialogue, even if we don't agree, one of few guys around here who carries himself that way.

He's not respectful. Total in denial name caller.

 

[shabazz]

Part time referees. No accountability. We need to give them the benefits . And whatever else they are looking for.

Our money is currently supporting people that are “full-time”, allegedly accountable, and have lifetime benefits waiting on them and we’re still getting abysmal results from them.

ambiguity achieved

 

[Rockport]

Tim Donaghy.

Go watch the documentary. If it can happen in the NBA it can happen in the NFL. Especially with the crazy amount of money spent on gambling sites. I am not saying it is happening. I am just saying laughing it off as completely impossible is also not fair. Certain things make you question the "ethics" of a league that suppressed a video of Ray Rice until it was leaked and then came out with it. The PI against New Orleans that a blind ref would have called. The multiple penalties in the SB last year to get LA into the end zone. The fact that when Jerry sued Goodell the Cowboys didn't receive a holding call for something like 11 straight games, yet had the highest pass rush percentage in the NFL.

Some of it just doesn't add up. Do I think there is a league wide conspiracy? No. Do I think that games are influenced (not just Cowboys) sometimes I believe they are. Or the referees are just terrible at their jobs. They need to start being held accountable. The referee from last years Thanksgiving Day game should have never picked up a whistle again.

And look what happened to him? It was leaked and made public. Thank you.

 

[Gonzomandela01]

I just proved my case, link provided which included videos and testimonies against such bias and favoritism calls for certain QBs and their teams. Heck, even Tom Brady's own team and city newspaper agreed how Brady and the Bucs get preferential treatment and calls in their favor by them refs. Can't dispute that.

He's not respectful. Total in denial name caller.

He has been to me, didn't know you and him went at it harsh.

 

[OmerV]

Here's what I've always said ...

Cowboy fans are hyper focused on the Cowboys, which is natural, and as such every missed or wrong call stirs emotions and sticks in their brains. And they are watching every down of Cowboy games, and every one of these calls or non calls has that effect.

With other game involving other teams, Cowboy fans don't focus as hard on every play so they don't see every one, they don't have the same emotional response to those missed or bad calls, and those calls don't stick in their brains every time because they just don't care as much if another team gets hurt by a call.

The result of this is that it creates the perception in the brain that it happens more often, and more egregiously with the Cowboys than with other teams.

 

[America's Cowboy]

How would an NCAA ref know that Goodell and the NFL are thinking and doing?

He knows what goes on behind closed doors, and he knows what to look for on the field. If he's experienced it for many years at the NCAA DIV 1 level, you'd better believe it's likely happening at the NFL level as well.

 

[Rockport]

Just want a fact based answer to this question.

How do the Raiders go through 3 decades of dozens of coaches, hundreds of players and still be among the top penalty leaders if we are to believe that penalties are arbitrary or a product of coach and player discipline?

now tell me what owners other than Al Davis and Jerry Jones have been more outspoken against the league, its commissioners, and its ruling body more than these guys?

I know, it’s purely coincidence.

Because they have had dozens of coaches.

 

[shabazz]

Why would the refs have a bias towards Brady and Rogers?

in the same way that qbs like Cam Newton and Dak Prescott can get blown up and not get calls but just touch Brady or Rodgers and the flags will fly.

Heres the comment from Ed Hochulis to Cam after he was slammed down with no flag…..

Cam, you're not old enough to get that call. That's what referee Ed Hochuli allegedly told the fifth-year quarterback. Here's what Newton had to say about the explanation Hochuli gave him,

 

[Rockport]

Ppl said the same thing about nba refs until it came out they were fixing games. The worst officiated game was the 2016 playoff game against the packers it was so blatant theres no way u can tell me it wasnt fixed

Key phrase, “until it came out”.

 

[shabazz]

Because they have had dozens of coaches.

SB winning coach John Gruden couldn’t solve it for them either? Really?

 

[Rockport]

in the same way that qbs like Cam Newton and Dak Prescott can get blown up and not get calls but just touch Brady or Rodgers and the flags will fly.

Heres the comment from Ed Hochulis to Cam after he was slammed down with no flag…..

Cam, you're not old enough to get that call. That's what referee Ed Hochuli allegedly told the fifth-year quarterback. Here's what Newton had to say about the explanation Hochuli gave him,

Brady got touched numerous times last night and not 1 penalty was called.

 

[America's Cowboy]

Like I said and provided evidence overnight...

The Tampa Bay Times even wrote back in October of this 2022 season about such blatant biased favoritism for Tom Brady and now for their own Buccaneers. They even included videos supporting their article, how it's widely known how Brady gets favored/helped by the NFL and its officials, and how even ex-Bucs coach Tony Dungy agreed it was wrong.

https://www.tampabay.com/sports/buc...tant-referees-are-tom-bradys-best-protection/

You can't dispute that unless you're calling the Tampa Bay Times and its writers a bunch of "quackerous" liars based on pure feelings and speculations. You can't because they monitor, view and report on the Buccaneers (their hometown NFL team) every single day, 24/7, 365 days a year. They are simply being 100% honest and forthright.

 

[Rockport]

Our money is currently supporting people that are “full-time”, allegedly accountable, and have lifetime benefits waiting on them and we’re still getting abysmal results from them.

ambiguity achieved

They are part time employees with no insurance benefits. Just a 401k.

 

[shabazz]

Brady got touched numerous times last night and not 1 penalty was called.

Brady got sacked 1 whole time and released the ball immediately before any contact. Next.

 

[Gonzomandela01]

One thing I find spectacular is the NFL sell you a product on the tv commercials that links directly to the success of the player on the field. In the same game you see Rodgers selling insurance 20 times between plays and then Rodgers getting the winning drive TD.

If that is not commercial genius IDK what it is. Of course if that winning drive stalls before on 3rd and 14 the strategy is not that effective, so here come the ticky tacky flags to get that 1st down and make sure the winning drive happens. Star players are still great, they just need a little push sometimes.

Rodgers and Brady's linemen seem to keep the pocket very clean on winning drives also. Getting away with a little extra holding on those last 2 minutes? David Irving would say so.

Also opposing teams CB's get flagged on crucial downs in the 4th, remember the Patriots championship wins against the Jags and Ravens, superbowl comeback against Atlanta?

 

[shabazz]

They are part time employees with no insurance benefits. Just a 401k.

The reference went over you’re head. It’s ok.

Re-read it. I said “people”…. Not referees

 

[MarcusRock]

that small sample does reflect 1 coaching change affecting the discipline of the players ergo the change in penalties, but how does this single example address 30+ years of the Raiders having dozens of coaches and we are to believe that not a single one was able to effect change? In fact 1 of them was SB winning coach Gruden who’s TB teams were not among the highest penalized in the league during his tenure

the raiders and Cowboys are in the top 5 in penalized teams since 2000. That’s a fact

Yep, ignore 5 years running of CURRENT data that blew your theory up that it's not just the Raiders or Cowboys to go right back to your premise of just the Raiders or Cowboys being victims of the league.

While we're at it, why haven't the Browns or Lions won Super Bowls in so long? I mean there's YEARS of data showing they haven't. It's PROOF the league has it out for them. Over 30 years!

 

[America's Cowboy]

Hitting hard with the truth bombs.

You are 100%. It's a coping mechanism. Because, like you said, if you really believed the NFL had it out for your team you wouldn't waste time watching it.

You don't believe in this team and QB, yet you still watch and follow them, Hypocrite.

 

[OmerV]

He knows what goes on behind closed doors, and he knows what to look for on the field. If he's experienced it for many years at the NCAA DIV 1 level, you'd better believe it's likely happening at the NFL level as well.

Even if you accept this general premise that doesn't mean the Cowboys are specific targets over anyone else.

 

[CouchCoach]

For those fans not long in the tooth, this is the longest running conspiracy theory in Cowboys history. It is one of the reasons a lot of people do not like the Cowboys, because of their fans making excuses for losing instead of just getting outplayed.

If you watch closely, you will see them miss calls that could have gone against the Cowboys as well.

Officials are human and make mistakes but for being at field level watching larger men moving at high rates of speed, I think they do as good a job as humanly possible.