Goose on Ezekiel Elliott's work load

[LandryFan]

@Trouty has like 3000 posts in the last month. lol

...and Trouty has no life...

 

[haleyrules]

lol he has like 4000 likes in the last month too. I enjoy his posts

Trouty is the Man.

 

[haleyrules]

Call me a 5%-er then....

OK...Your a 5%..take that!!

 

[haleyrules]

After 6 games you already know that Zeke is not special or a generational type running back?

He sure seems special to me.

 

[dreghorn2]

The game has changed, dramatically so, since Emmitts' heyday.

There is a reason behind the running back by committee, players are simply so much bigger and faster than they have ever been, it's crazy really.

Look at some of the bad football being played around the league. How is it possible to not score 25 plus points a game with the rules as they are now?

Defenses still have the edge because of the incredible training, speed, and size that modern athletes enjoy, they have changed, but the dimensions of the playing field have not (there are other issues of course but it's a huge factor).

That being said, there are always exceptions, and it looks like the Cowboys have found one in Elliott. So much athleticism, size, and skill in such a young guy, it's an incredible package.

I see no problem in using him as a true bell cow running back, particularly in his rookie year, but.. and this drives me crazy, when the game is all but won that guy needs to be standing on the sidelines with his helmet off smiling and goofing to the cameras, not on the freakin' field taking hits in garbage time!

 

[haleyrules]

The game has changed, dramatically so, since Emmitts' heyday.

There is a reason behind the running back by committee, players are simply so much bigger and faster than they have ever been, it's crazy really.

Look at some of the bad football being played around the league. How is it possible to not score 25 plus points a game with the rules as they are now?

Defenses still have the edge because of the incredible training, speed, and size that modern athletes enjoy, they have changed, but the dimensions of the playing field have not (there are other issues of course but it's a huge factor).

That being said, there are always exceptions, and it looks like the Cowboys have found one in Elliott. So much athleticism, size, and skill in such a young guy, it's an incredible package.

I see no problem in using him as a true bell cow running back, particularly in his rookie year, but.. and this drives me crazy, when the game is all but won that guy needs to be standing on the sidelines with his helmet off smiling and goofing to the cameras, not on the freakin' field taking hits in garbage time!

Agreed. Especially when you combine him with that killer OL. ITS ALMOST UNSTOPPABLE TO ME.

 

[plasticman]

So, we learned nothing in 2015?

What about the first two games in 1993, when Jerry Jones informed us that Emmitt was a luxury, not a necessity?

 

[haleyrules]

So, we learned nothing in 2015?

What about the first two games in 1993, when Jerry Jones informed us that Emmitt was a luxury, not a necessity?

Jerry was a fool then and now!!

 

[jazzcat22]

The game has changed, dramatically so, since Emmitts' heyday.

There is a reason behind the running back by committee, players are simply so much bigger and faster than they have ever been, it's crazy really.

Look at some of the bad football being played around the league. How is it possible to not score 25 plus points a game with the rules as they are now?

Defenses still have the edge because of the incredible training, speed, and size that modern athletes enjoy, they have changed, but the dimensions of the playing field have not (there are other issues of course but it's a huge factor).

That being said, there are always exceptions, and it looks like the Cowboys have found one in Elliott. So much athleticism, size, and skill in such a young guy, it's an incredible package.

I see no problem in using him as a true bell cow running back, particularly in his rookie year, but.. and this drives me crazy, when the game is all but won that guy needs to be standing on the sidelines with his helmet off smiling and goofing to the cameras, not on the freakin' field taking hits in garbage time!

Depends on how you define garbage time, and what team it is.

If it is a 2 possession game with 2 to 5 minutes left and you are facing Rodgers or Brady, then you put the ball in your play makers hands. The more sure handed players.
If you are facing a RG3, Kessler, Hoyer, you may put in your back ups.

 

[jazzcat22]

Jerry was a fool then and now!!

Or he can be a fool now and then...just not all the time as some want to believe.
If you blame him, you must also give him credit.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

??????

Just showing how upset he is that up to this point he has not been correct about Prescott and he's even more upset that Prescott is out playing his boy wonder in Philly.

Instead of being able to be happy that he was wrong, and admit that, Risen goes with posts like this to let you know how upset he is that he wasn't right.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

Exactly. I keep trying to drive this home. Avoid the big contract, get a compensatory pick and you have that RB in its best years.

If you're spending the 4th pick on a guy who you don't expect to make it through 2 contracts at a high level...you're doing this team building thing very...very wrong.

If you think the Cowboys are going to let a 27 year old Zeke in his prime walk....assuming he is what we think he is...you're doing this understanding the Cowboys front office thing very...very wrong.

The horrifying prospect of investing a huge 2nd contract into a RB is exactly why some of us don't think it smart to use a high first rounder on a RB.

But now we're here.

 

[visionary]

Disagree. Zeke Elliott is special. He's worth another contract. I doubt he would re-sign here though unless we agree to move Prescott.

Zeke is leaving to play with Wentz no matter what we do

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

If you're spending the 4th pick on a guy who you don't expect to make it through 2 contracts at a high level...you're doing this team building thing very...very wrong.

If you think the Cowboys are going to let a 27 year old Zeke in his prime walk....assuming he is what we think he is...you're doing this understanding the Cowboys front office thing very...very wrong.

The horrifying prospect of investing a huge 2nd contract into a RB is exactly why some of us don't think it smart to use a high first rounder on a RB.

But now we're here.

Considering the average NFL career is about 4-ish years, I'm not worried about playing fantasy GM with the salary cap with this at all, especially in 2016. If anything,the franchise tag will always be available at the end, which may end up being the right play.

 

[erod]

Good Lord.

How long did Emmitt play effectively? Adrian Peterson? Barry Sanders? Thurman Thomas? Eric Dickerson? Marshawn Lynch?

Yes, Elliott is in that class. He's built like a truck, too.

 

[Rockport]

Disagree. Zeke Elliott is special. He's worth another contract. I doubt he would re-sign here though unless we agree to move Prescott.

You should be banned.

 

[Denim Chicken]

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Who cares about his workload? I think we should draft a RB high every 5 years, ride them until their rookie contract is up, then let them walk. Rinse and repeat. EZE is not so special that we will have to pay him a truckload of money to stay. I'm glad we have him, but RBs are interchangeable. Emmitt was a generational type player, and I am not sure his breed of RBs exist anymore.

The Cowboys are in competition with other teams and not with what you think is the ideal. While the Cowboys are drafting RB high and getting 5 years out of them, other teams are drafting OL, DL, QB, and WR with higher success rates and getting 7+ years out of them. In the long run we lose in that competition with a thinner less talented roster than our competition.

The Cowboys busted on Randle after a couple of good years and were caught with their pants down. You need 3 good RB on a roster and they drop like flies. Zeke is a much more physical back the 22 and while he hasn't been taking as many big hits, he seeks contact to finish runs.

I think the Cowboys should be drafting RB at least every other year and unless a special talent like Zeke drops in the 1st look for more efficient options in the first round.

 

[CVN68_Cowboys]

The Cowboys are in competition with other teams and not with what you think is the ideal. While the Cowboys are drafting RB high and getting 5 years out of them, other teams are drafting OL, DL, QB, and WR with higher success rates and getting 7+ years out of them. In the long run we lose in that competition with a thinner less talented roster than our competition.

The Cowboys busted on Randle after a couple of good years and were caught with their pants down. You need 3 good RB on a roster and they drop like flies. Zeke is a much more physical back the 22 and while he hasn't been taking as many big hits, he seeks contact to finish runs.

I think the Cowboys should be drafting RB at least every other year and unless a special talent like Zeke drops in the 1st look for more efficient options in the first round.

And in the last five years, the Cowboys have either gotten stars in the first at those positions or had good fortune with a guy like Prescott (and I feel like Lawrence) in later rounds. And no, you don't need three "good RBs" on the roster at all. Give me elite (ZE), pretty good (Morris), and meh (Dunbar) over that any day of the week. It's working and working well. With ZE, there will never be any going back on the fact that the "you never draft a running back that high" argument was ********. As we see every year, with lower picks that succeed and teams that buck the trends of the talking heads by picking positions counter to what the "wise men" would do succeeding with those picks, the know it alls are wrong. A LOT.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

And in the last five years, the Cowboys have either gotten stars in the first at those positions or had good fortune with a guy like Prescott (and I feel like Lawrence) in later rounds. And no, you don't need three "good RBs" on the roster at all. Give me elite (ZE), pretty good (Morris), and meh (Dunbar) over that any day of the week. It's working and working well. With ZE, there will never be any going back on the fact that the "you never draft a running back that high" argument was ********. As we see every year, with lower picks that succeed and teams that buck the trends of the talking heads by picking positions counter to what the "wise men" would do succeeding with those picks, the know it alls are wrong. A LOT.

You be haughty if it makes you feel better but the average shelf life on an NFL RB is still going to be a little over 3 years. It is the position that takes the most hits and Zeke seeks contact. You can pretend that all of those statistics can be thrown out because Zeke has performed well 6 games into his career but instant evaluations are a good way to end up being wrong.

Morris is a nice back but if Zeke goes down in the next couple of years, sorry, but him and glass Dunbar just isn't going to cut it for the team that relies on its running game to be successful moreso than anyone else.

Zeke was a necessity because we got caught with our pants down in how attentive we were to the position in the draft. I'm not saying never draft a RB high and ignore BPA; what I am saying is that there are more efficient ways to do it by selecting backs in later rounds consistently.