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WPBCowboysFan

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This from the guy who never lived in Texas.

Hey, tell us... what is your connection to the Cowboys? They were the best team when you were growing up, so you started rooting for them, right?

Seeing that I was born in Dallas it would be kinda hard to not have lived in Texas. Once again you show your ignorance and you're wrong again.
 

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Seeing that I was born in Dallas it would be kinda hard to not have lived in Texas. Once again you show your ignorance and you're wrong again.
I was born in Chicago but I never lived anywhere near there - and I sure as heck ain't a Bears fan.

You admitted you were born at Baylor Medical but never lived here. If that admission was in error, please feel free to correct it.
 

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They're both. And a team I'd never cheer for under any circumstance. Dallas never cheated to win their trophies. That's what everyone here has been saying for months. We were just good.

If winning a championship meant that Dallas was doing whatever it is the Patriots have been doing or have been accused of - and Dallas was getting away with it just as the Patriots have - would you take it?
 

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If winning a championship meant that Dallas was doing whatever it is the Patriots have been doing or have been accused of - and Dallas was getting away with it just as the Patriots have - would you take it?

Take it?

I'd be embarrassed my team had to cheat to win if that's what you mean.I don't think you have to cheat to be good or excellent.
 

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Rogah I am truly hurt that you don't consider me a real Cowboys fan. Good Lord.
Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that's how I feel when you (and others) accuse me of same.

Happy Thanksgiving. I hope you enjoyed the Eagles' humiliation as much as I did.
 

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If winning a championship meant that Dallas was doing whatever it is the Patriots have been doing or have been accused of - and Dallas was getting away with it just as the Patriots have - would you take it?
Not only would every single member of this forum (who is being honest with us and with themselves) take it, they'd justify the activity and talk about how it is a league witchhunt, media conspiracy, etc.

I've said it many times: Cowboys fans are Patriots fans are incredibly alike in so many ways. Jerry Jones and Bob Kraft are incredibly alike in so many ways. I actually mean that as a compliment to both sides, even though most usually take it as an insult.
 

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Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand that's how I feel when you (and others) accuse me of same.

Happy Thanksgiving. I hope you enjoyed the Eagles' humiliation as much as I did.

Rogah you must know I was being sarcastic. I don't care if you think I'm a good fan or not anymore than you care what I think.
 

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Not only would every single member of this forum (who is being honest with us and with themselves) take it, they'd justify the activity and talk about how it is a league witchhunt, media conspiracy, etc.

I've said it many times: Cowboys fans are Patriots fans are incredibly alike in so many ways. Jerry Jones and Bob Kraft are incredibly alike in so many ways. I actually mean that as a compliment to both sides, even though most usually take it as an insult.

You don't speak for me. You never have and never will. Quit acting like you think you're the only one who's "honest" and you know how everyone thinks and feels. You have absolutely ZERO clue about my thoughts unless I put them down here and express an opinion.
 

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So basically, if the Pats cheat, so does everybody else..

Straw-man much with irrelevant analogies, especially one's totally unrelated to salary cap, but accounting and cash flow...
 

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Not only would every single member of this forum (who is being honest with us and with themselves) take it, they'd justify the activity and talk about how it is a league witchhunt, media conspiracy, etc.

I've said it many times: Cowboys fans are Patriots fans are incredibly alike in so many ways. Jerry Jones and Bob Kraft are incredibly alike in so many ways. I actually mean that as a compliment to both sides, even though most usually take it as an insult.

Speak for yourself. I'd be embarrassed by it personally

Patriots fans are like baseball lemmings during the steroid era. They would just say question how much it actually helped the ball players despite the fact that the creator of the drugs that BALCO used said they specifically tested for the drugs effects on hand-eye coordination and those tests showed that it helped with hand-eye coordination.

That's what the entire SpyGate excuse revolved around and once Patriots fans admit that Brady deflated the footballs, they'll use that excuse.




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Speak for yourself. I'd be embarrassed by it personally
No you wouldn't. You would defend the team to your dying breath, just like you defend Hardy. You'd take the "there's no evidence.... we don't really know what happened..." approach like you do with him.

Amazing how the laundry a player wears influences how you feel about them, huh? At least man up and admit it.
 

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No you wouldn't. You would defend the team to your dying breath, just like you defend Hardy. You'd take the "there's no evidence.... we don't really know what happened..." approach like you do with him.

Amazing how the laundry a player wears influences how you feel about them, huh? At least man up and admit it.

Actually, I was against Hardy for the longest time until I saw the pictures of Holder. She had claimed to be slapped and punched and choked. Yet, there were no slap marks, no punch marks and no strangulation marks.

I then read about the case and why the DA expunged the record. I'm not really even sure what exactly Hardy did. But, I know that the media narrative is very incorrect. You had a woman that admitted to doing coke and being drunk before the incident. She was heard on Hardy's 911 call apologizing and saying that she didn't want to be arrested (presumably for hitting Hardy in the face with her shoe). And when the police came, she ran away from the police according to the police. She also told police that the marks on her arm were from Sammy Curtis and not Hardy. Then in the bench trial, she claimed she was choked, slapped and the bruises on her arm were from Hardy slamming a toilet lid on them.

I do know that DA's are never in a hurry to expunge records as witnessed by the DA's that avoid to expunge records of men convicted of rape and later being cleared on DNA evidence. And the DA stated that he had problems with Holder's testimony in the bench trial which contradicted the statements to police (arm bruising) and the evidence (no signs of punch marks, slap marks or strangulation marks). And again, she admitted to doing coke and being drunk, which would impair judgment and memory as well as make her more likely to be violent.

I do know that there was a case in the Bronx where a man was being harassed by some girls on the subway and eventually he called one of them a name and she hit him in the face with a shoe and he turned around and overhand slapped her. At first he was arrested, but when the DA saw the video, he dropped the charges on the man and continued with the charges on the girl. The point being is that the law sided with the man in a case that was similar to what Hardy is proposing, except there are no signs of Hardy slapping, punching or strangling Holder. And a shove would be treated as less.

Furthermore, I am consistent with how I would handle these situations.

As I said with the Ray Rice situation (even before the tape became public), he should be suspended for 1-year. If the evidence is sufficient, I take domestic violence seriously. But at the same time, I do believe that people are allowed to make mistakes, even some bad mistakes, and it shouldn't be a death sentence. Hardy sat out for over 1-year. And my issue with the media in the Hardy case, besides the terribly inaccurate narrative of what happened, is that they are inconsistent in how punishment should be dealt as nobody is demanding that Adrian Peterson should be banned for life while they can't get enough of wanting to ban Hardy for life.

Your team cheated. If my team cheated like your Patriots did, I would be embarrassed and not really into rooting for the team anymore. I can't stand the Eagles, Skins and Giants, but at least I have the respect for them for playing us on the up-and-up.

It reminds me of the great Bobby Jones who once called a moving ball penalty on himself that cost him a victory and he was the only one that saw the ball move. When he was congratulated by the press for calling the penalty on himself when nobody else saw the ball move, Jones replied 'you might as well praise a man for not robbing a bank.'

It's terrible what the Patriots did but even worse what Goodell did in covering it up. He got down in the dirt with dogs, now he has to deal with the fleas.






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Fixed it for you.

You can try to 'fix' it all you want. But the truth is here and you can look at my posts with regards to the subject and when I started to change my opinion. And as well as you can't refute what I've said and just resort to childish behavior.

I'm trying to reason with you as an adult and you're telling me that I would treat something a certain way when you know nothing about me or how I feel about certain subjects other than what I've actually posted. And when I point out those posts that don't fit your agenda, you get visibly outraged over it.

The Patriots really hurt the league's credibility with their cheating in SpyGate and because they weren't punished adequately, they had no reason to not keep cheating and all of their accomplishments are suspect. And if that were the Cowboys, I would loathe having legitimate question marks towards the credibility of their achievements and how it has completely compromised the entire league as a result. I am clearly less of a fan of the NFL than I was 10 years ago and the lack of integrity in the league from the Patriots' scandals is a big reason why. And I think the league's popularity is starting to decline and I think the compromised integrity of the league from the Patriots scandals has played a part in that.

Those are things I would be embarrassed over. Why that bothers you that *I* would be embarrassed over the Cowboys if they had cheated like the Patriots did is frightening.




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