Great Contract Commanders LOL

abersonc;1180530 said:
Marcus Washington and Randy Thomas, however, were two of the best FA signings in recent years. Plus they were able to bring in Clinton Portis and Santana Moss in trades.

They do get some stuff right.
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I wouldn't have traded Champ Bailey to acquire a RB, so that's a push in my mind. They could have easily focused on the Draft to find a RB and kept Bailey. I would never have done that move.

Then again, I'd have hung on to Stephen Davis every day and twice on game days over Trung Canidate. Sorry Trung, you're my friend and all, but come on.
 
To add salt to the wound, I'm not sure the Archuleta deal wasn't the SECOND worst move they made this past offseason, how about the TJ Duckett doozie of a trade. Here's how it breaks down:

Anyone looking for a complex breakdown on the exact draft picks involved here, well, here goes. It all depends on how the teams finish in draft order and how each of their corresponding drafts picks stand on this "value chart" that NFL teams love to use. Basically, they could end swapping first-round picks in 2007; they could flop first-rounders and the Broncos also get a fourth-round pick in 2008; they could flop firsts and the Broncos get a third in 2007; or the Broncos could end up with a third in 2007 and a fourth in 2008 (the Commanders do not have a fourth-round pick in 2007). In the end, the pick will be equivalent to what the value chart shows for a "high third-round pick" and the various possible first-round swaps would come into play if there is a big discrepancy in where the teams finish, and how high their picks are in each round.

This all for a guy who as of last week has 12 carries for 66 yards ON THE SEASON!!!!!
 
Hostile;1180543 said:
I wouldn't have traded Champ Bailey to acquire a RB, so that's a push in my mind. They could have easily focused on the Draft to find a RB and kept Bailey. I would never have done that move.

Then again, I'd have hung on to Stephen Davis every day and twice on game days over Trung Canidate. Sorry Trung, you're my friend and all, but come on.
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Especially considering it was Bailey and a pick. Plus, to get Moss they gave back Coles, who they gave an arm and a leg for in the first place. These ended up being nice moves, but it's not like they just occurred. Washington is da man, though. Griffin, too.

No franchise in it's right mind trades the best playmaking corner in the league for a top 5 RB. None.
 
SultanOfSix;1180374 said:
I find this hard to believe. It always starts at the top.
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i would have agree in the past, but snyder idolizes gibbs. i find it hard to believe that snyder is picking the players. williams apparently wanted arch and carter, and i'm sure gibbs trusted his judgement.

i hear alot of people blaming snyder, but this is gibbs ship, ultimately, when it comes to the players. williams has taken a D that was dominant and made them god awful, even with most of the starters back from last year. i have no idea how that happened.

at least the O has an excuse, being in a new system.
 
we need to quit helping the Dorkskins, by pointing out their mistakes. They might figure it out...
 
Hostile;1180529 said:
I don't know that I totally believe this Riggo. Napoleon Snyder has been doing this since he bought the team. The strategy pre-dates Joe Gibbs return. From where I sit it looks to me like Gibbs has been forced along for the ride. This is on Napoleon and Bug Eyes Cerrato just like our downfall was on The Face Lift. I'm not exonerating Gibbs from any blame, but I think Napoleon's fingerprints are all over this as well. If this is all Gibbs then he still gets some blame for bringing the guy back.
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I definately think it is Gibbs who identifies the players he wants. He didn't stick with Brunnel for as long as he did because Danny forced him on him.

Danny I think gets the blame for the horrific contracts and trades. Just speculating, but I think Joe says "we can move this guy and that guy, but that Lloyd fella looks super-smart, lets see if we can work a deal for him, and I think Archuleta will really add something to this defense, lets sign him."

Danny gets so excited that Gibbs wants these guys I think he falls all over himself to get them, bidding against himself in the process.

There is some give and take, I'm sure, and Gibbs is probably not as adamant a grocery-buyer as Bill is, but there is no way he doesn't have a major say in personnel decisions.

That said, I still think the worst move of the offseason for them was bringing in Al Saunders and completely changing the offensive scheme to a point where no one knows what they are doing. To do that with a largely veteran team built to 'win now' (ha ha) makes no sense to me. I have no idea if Gibbs was on board with that one, but I suspect that was largely Danny's doing.
 
I still think the graphic they showed about the contracts they just gave out and the production of those guy during the TB game was one of the most hilarious things ever

David
 
Hostile;1180529 said:
I don't know that I totally believe this Riggo. Napoleon Snyder has been doing this since he bought the team. The strategy pre-dates Joe Gibbs return.
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It pre-dates Gibbs return, but it actually dates back to the George Allen era and went through Gibbs' first stint (they had something like an 8 year span without a first round pick).

Allen and Gibbs believed that you build your team through FA over the draft. When the salary cap came into fruition, they continued to use FA as a vehicle to build their rosters. But the advent of the salary cap makes it so that building through the draft and supplementing your roster with FA's is the best way to go.

I fully believe that Archuleta was Gregg Williams' guy and Gibbs had no problem with that and dearly wanted him and was willing to pay him outrageous $$$ to get him.



YAKUZA
 
superpunk;1180547 said:
No franchise in it's right mind trades the best playmaking corner in the league for a top 5 RB. None.
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maybe in hindsight, but you have to remember that bailey is playing better now than he ever did in DC. he would make a nice play, then give up a huge one. rocket ismail, anyone?

that, and you have to consider that at the time, bailey wanted out. portis is very good, when healthy, and if champ was still the inconsistent DB he was in DC and his first year in denver when he was getting torched, i would like the deal. i think denvers line has helped him tremendously.
 
HighTechDave;1180570 said:
Good players, but what about the contracts?
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not sure what they make, but if i'm looking at value, they are the last ones i call out as overpaid.
 
dbair1967;1180567 said:
I still think the graphic they showed about the contracts they just gave out and the production of those guy during the TB game was one of the most hilarious things ever

David
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I don't think I saw that one.
 
Hostile;1180591 said:
I don't think I saw that one.
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it said something like:

"Commanders free agent contracts for 2006..."25 total years, 88 million"

"combined production 2tds, 3 sacks, no ints"

something pretty close to that

David
 
dbair1967;1180592 said:
it said something like:

"Commanders free agent contracts for 2006..."25 total years, 88 million"

"combined production 2tds, 3 sacks, no ints"

something pretty close to that

David
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Ouch.

That's going to leave a mark.
 
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