Great Quarterbacks

Hostile

The Duke
Messages
119,565
Reaction score
4,544
Years ago when I first found fan forums (2002 when Emmitt broke the record) I was consistently in heated debates about why you need a great QB. The problem at that time was that our QBs were not great (Hutchinson had just replaced Carter), but they had some of the most ardent fans I have ever seen.

Ardent hell, in retrospect they were downright blind. I introduced to the forums my belief in Quarterback pedigree and the idea that you need a great Quarterback to go anywhere. The argument in response usually centered around Trent Dilfer and Brad Johnson having won Super Bowls and were mediocre Quarterbacks. I continue to maintain they have rings because their Defenses carried their teams.

Pedigree has faults of course. Drew Henson is proof of that. You simply cannot gauge what a player will do with the chances they receive. He didn't do enough. Period. There will always be a faction who believe Parcells sabotaged him, but I will always maintain if you are good enough, no one can truly keep you down.

Which brings me to Tony Romo. He has a very quiet pedigree that none of us knew about. He broke all of the passing records at Eastern Illinois that were previously held by Sean Payton. Mike Shanahan is also an alum of Eastern Illinois and like Payton is considered an Offensive guru.

I don't think Romo has the biggest arm. I never have. He doesn't need it. He has guile, guts, and as quick a release as anyone in the NFL today. Maybe only Kurt Warner is as fast. Is it Dan Marino fast? No. But it is fast enough. He also has the one thing I truly love in a Quarterback, accuracy.

I still cannot believe there were people in 2002 and 2003 who were telling people that accuracy in a Quarterback is over rated. One guy was so insistent upon this theory that he actually said Troy Aikman was over rated and only great because of the pieces around him. I remain perplexed at this mouth breather theory.

Finally the final intangible needed for a Quarterback to be great seems to be present in ours. He is a leader. There were questions about this right up until a few weeks ago. Allegations he allowed a prima donna WR to overpower him, folds under pressure, and lacked focus. If anyone says that these things did not enter their minds they are either lying or completely unaware.

It can be said without raising eyebrows, Tony Romo is a great leader. Is he a rah rah guy like Drew Brees? No. Is he a fiery in your face guy like Phillip Rivers? No. Is he a machine like Peyton Manning? No. He's often compared to Brett Favre for his gunslinger tendencies. I think he's a lot more like Kurt Warner than he is Favre.

Humble guy, quick release, highly intelligent, and from a small school. They both went undrafted and then found their way to stardom simply by refusing to give up. I consider this comparison to be a high compliment to Tony Romo because I hold Kurt Warner in very high regard.

I think it is increasingly more impossible to win in the NFL without a top Quarterback at the helm. We saw the irrefutable evidence of this last year when Romo went down and came back too soon because the ship was sinking. Without him, we were as pedestrian as a jaywalker in heavy traffic.

This year, with him, we've been in every game except maybe one. He is playing at such a high level it is impossible not to recognize it if you have your eyes open at all. I have never understood the incredible level of scrutiny he has been under. I think part of it is that we were so bad for a while that we are afraid of how great someone really can be again.

I often hear people who are long time fans of this team say that in 1989 they could see the greatness in Aikman even as the team was losing. I agree with them, because I said the same things then. A lot of Cowboys fans did. It was not a unique phenomenon by any means. Some guys simply have it. Whatever it is.

Tony Romo has it. It needed to be cajoled and groomed out of him. Once he took the field in 2006 anyone who had their eyes open could see it. I think the doubts about him have been more frustrating to me than any other aspect of the doubts about this team. I think they have been outright unfair far more than they have been even handed.

If you look at the Quarterbacks still alive in these final 8 teams you will see one thing very much in common with all of them. They are either in the upper echelon of Quarterbacks in the NFL or they have the potential to be there very soon. If you look at the 12 Quarterbacks whose teams made the playoffs I think you can safely say that they are closer to being the top 12 starting Quarterbacks in the NFL than the bottom 12 starting Quarterbacks in the NFL.

That is a fact that I notice every year. A top Quarterback gives you a better chance to be in the running for Post Season glory than any other aspect of the game. You hear that Defense wins Championships, and to a degree that is pure fact. Not without a Quarterback who the team believes in, and not year after year. To be a consistent contender in the NFL you need a great Quarterback.

We are so blessed to have one.
 

NextGenBoys

Well-Known Member
Messages
9,252
Reaction score
1,964
I'm still as big of a Romo-sexual as I was back in 06.

Even when he's turning the ball over, it's easy to see what he does for this team.

Without him, we're lucky to win 6 games.

*Edit* I also do not understand the extreme scrutiny he's constantly under either. It's unrealistic.
 

DallasDomination

Well-Known Member
Messages
11,791
Reaction score
6,205
So the exception to the rule in this case would be Flacco and SAnchez. Both have pedigree and skills but dont seem like they will be great Qb's in the league. IF anything they seem to be following the path of Dilfer and company that won because a great Defense and running game.


I'm happy to have Romo that's for sure.
 

TOYSTER17

Pimpstocious and Pimpalicious
Messages
348
Reaction score
6
DallasDomination;3228757 said:
So the exception to the rule in this case would be Flacco and SAnchez. Both have pedigree and skills but dont seem like they will be great Qb's in the league. IF anything they seem to be following the path of Dilfer and company that won because a great Defense and running game.


I'm happy to have Romo that's for sure.

Sanchez is a rookie this year, and this is Flacco's second year I believe. You really can't say they won't be great QB's off of that.
 

Fletch

To The Moon
Messages
18,395
Reaction score
14,042
TOYSTER17;3228759 said:
Sanchez is a rookie this year, and this is Flacco's second year I believe. You really can't say they won't be great QB's off of that.

I kind of see Flacco and Sanchez in the Dilfer mold as well. Yes, Flacco is only in his second year and Sanchez, only a rookie. But they just don't strike me as a QB that can put their respective team on their shoulders and carry them when needed.
 

DandyDon1722

It's been a good 'un, ain't it?
Messages
6,386
Reaction score
7,008
I remember the minute I was sold on Romo. It was the 2007 Pro Bowl he went to and there were eyebrows raised about his selection because of injuries to Drew Brees and Marc Bulger. He got into the game in the 4th quarter and the NFC was down and he had a bad first series, then he was struggling in his second series and the boo birds were out.

I was so nervous for him because of the moment. Think about it, most people didn't think he belonged, he was not playing well and to top it all off it was in front of his peers, some who had to be snickering behind his back.

All he did was light it up for the rest of the game and brought the NFC back. He hit Boldin for a 47 yd TD and a 2 point conversion to Steve Smith. The NFC lost on a last second field goal but at that moment...I thought he was special.
 

Zaxor

Virtus Mille Scuta
Messages
8,406
Reaction score
38
cris collingsworth made a statement about reading a article of someone who measured the speed of release and that Tony was either faster or as fast as Marino...I believe if you did a search on it you might be able to find the article... I am not up to it today.
 

ctrous25

Stay Classy Philly/Minny
Messages
1,438
Reaction score
648
Zaxor;3228828 said:
cris collingsworth made a statement about reading a article of someone who measured the speed of release and that Tony was either faster or as fast as Marino...I believe if you did a search on it you might be able to find the article... I am not up to it today.
yeah I heard that too, I believe they said Romo s was the fastest ever
 

Zaxor

Virtus Mille Scuta
Messages
8,406
Reaction score
38
ctrous25;3228838 said:
yeah I heard that too, I believe they said Romo s was the fastest ever

I had read it before but I can't find it and it just isn't that important to me nor do I think Hos would need it if I told him that I had seen it.
 

SaltwaterServr

Blank Paper Offends Me
Messages
8,124
Reaction score
1
Zaxor;3228828 said:
cris collingsworth made a statement about reading a article of someone who measured the speed of release and that Tony was either faster or as fast as Marino...I believe if you did a search on it you might be able to find the article... I am not up to it today.

It was originally on a TV broadcast in 2007 that Cris was referencing. He's a few tenths of a second faster than Marino.

There was a member on the older version of True Blue who was a former coach at the collegiate level, DII I think, that was screaming for Romo to start at the beginning of 2006. He was retired and had been to the 2005 and 2006 training camps in their entirety, or close to their entirety.

He had a thread at the end of the 2006 training camp that said Romo was going to be a monster quarterback if he was given the chance. His assessment that he looked better than Bledsoe in drills and he had all of the qualities he looked for in a quarterback when he did recruiting.

I was all over this as I wasn't a Bledsoe fan at all and knew he was another Parcells retread. Hell, he had lost his last two jobs to his own back-up. I was livid after the Jacksonville game. After the Philly game where he threw his signature square-in interception for a TD, I was so pissed I couldn't see straight for a week.

When he came out to start the second half of the Giants game, I thought all was right with the world, until his first pass. The Carolina game made a believer out of me. I remember those first "Romosexual" graphics and I proudly had one in my sig line as soon as I saw it.
 

Zaxor

Virtus Mille Scuta
Messages
8,406
Reaction score
38
SaltwaterServr;3228840 said:
I wasn't a Bledsoe fan at all and knew he was another Parcells retread.
LOL If you were to search this forum I think that 5000 of my 5000+ posts were of the I can't stand Bledsoe type.

and thanks for the info....but somewhere on the internet is an article that states the same and how it was measured
 

THUMPER

Papa
Messages
9,522
Reaction score
61
Great post Hos. It blows me away how many people couldn't see what was so obvious to anyone who knows the game, Romo is really, really good! It's not just this year either, he's been good all along. He's gotten better with some things this season though and that's very good too!

He's already re-written the Cowboys single-season record books and is well on his way to breaking all of the career passing marks as well.

The crap about "Turnover Tony" really pissed me off because it was so clear that the turnovers were due to his trying to make plays. Hell, no one else on the team was making plays, certainly not the defense outside of Ware, but Romo gave us a chance to win every time. The Ravens game last year is one of the best examples of that.

Most of the fools who made those kinds of comments have been on my ignore list for the past year or more and I don't miss their stupid comments a bit.
 

casmith07

Attorney-at-Zone
Messages
31,538
Reaction score
9,312
DallasDomination;3228757 said:
So the exception to the rule in this case would be Flacco and SAnchez. Both have pedigree and skills but dont seem like they will be great Qb's in the league. IF anything they seem to be following the path of Dilfer and company that won because a great Defense and running game.


I'm happy to have Romo that's for sure.

I disagree with half of yours. I don't think Flacco will be great, but I think Mark Sanchez has the ability to be a great QB - he just needs more time in the NFL.

But yes, I was so happy to see Romo play. When he came in when Bledsoe was benched, even though he threw an interception, he brought us back in that game, I knew he was going to be our next great QB.
 

Shuttemdown41

Active Member
Messages
846
Reaction score
220
Hostile;3228690 said:
I don't think Romo has the biggest arm. I never have. He doesn't need it. He has guile, guts, and as quick a release as anyone in the NFL today. Maybe only Kurt Warner is as fast. Is it Dan Marino fast? No. But it is fast enough. He also has the one thing I truly love in a Quarterback, accuracy.

I actually remember during a game a year or two ago where the commentators had a display where they timed the releases of Romo and Marino. Romo's was actually quicker. I couldn't believe it.
 

Maikeru-sama

Mick Green 58
Messages
14,548
Reaction score
6
At this point in Tony Romo's career, I would contend that he is a "good" Quarterback and not a great one.

I think "good" Quarterbacks become "great" Quarterbacks based on their feats in the Post Season.

Tony Romo's most brilliant feats have been during the Regular Season.

However, ever since he started, he has clearly been working his way towards "great".
 

Boyzmamacita

CowBabe Up!!!
Messages
29,047
Reaction score
64,100
CowboysZone ULTIMATE Fan
TOYSTER17;3228759 said:
Sanchez is a rookie this year, and this is Flacco's second year I believe. You really can't say they won't be great QB's off of that.
Your logic proves that Romo was overanalyzed because a lot of people were saying he wouldn't be great at that stage of his career (1st and 2nd year as a starter).
 

STSINAZ

Active Member
Messages
2,845
Reaction score
1
especially right now...there are about 20 quarterbacks that are either pretty good or going to be...if you go back about 5 or 6 years ago there werent as many as now...with young gunners like stafford, ryan, flacco, henne, moore its going to only help your case...
 

aikemirv

Well-Known Member
Messages
16,405
Reaction score
9,999
THUMPER;3228873 said:
Great post Hos. It blows me away how many people couldn't see what was so obvious to anyone who knows the game, Romo is really, really good! It's not just this year either, he's been good all along. He's gotten better with some things this season though and that's very good too!

He's already re-written the Cowboys single-season record books and is well on his way to breaking all of the career passing marks as well.

The crap about "Turnover Tony" really pissed me off because it was so clear that the turnovers were due to his trying to make plays. Hell, no one else on the team was making plays, certainly not the defense outside of Ware, but Romo gave us a chance to win every time. The Ravens game last year is one of the best examples of that.

Most of the fools who made those kinds of comments have been on my ignore list for the past year or more and I don't miss their stupid comments a bit.

The worst part about it is , is that even Cowboy fans were beginning to buy into the medias bashing of Romo. I was getting so tired of trying to defend Romo. Now that he has won a playoff game they are going to hold him to the Super Bowl standard although I have not once heard that standard applied to Brees. I have not heard it applied to Rivers either. It is the most biased thing I have ever seen.

I have never seen such a good player held to such ridiculous standards. Even now, in the QB rankins we see for the playoffs he is held to a higher standard. I will never understand what has gone on over the past 3 years. It boggles the mind!
 

Kilyin

Well-Known Member
Messages
8,041
Reaction score
244
I still remember Nors was always on the Romo bandwagon when mostly everyone else believed in Henson. Of course, I think that was him being antagonistic moreso than prophetic.
 
Top