Great Quarterbacks

[Hostile]

It's prefaced. (Let's just agree to disagree.) I argued for Romo as much as I did against Henson, simply because everyone else was arguing FOR Henson. If you can't get the relativity of the context, then that's lost on you and I can't change that.

And thank you for the kind sentiments about the one in the oven. Hopefully it's a healthy baby. I'll find out in 6 weeks if it's male or female. If it's a male, look out CZ fans the next Dallas Cowboy quarterback is in the oven.

:starspin

You are right, I can't. I have already admitted that I saw too many sig pics and threads to ever believe that. I could never openly hate a player the way you did. Not a Cowboys player. It went way beyond doubts. Once they are off the team, fine. But while they are trying to make the team and win for me and my fellow fans, not on your life.

I repeat what Emerson said, but my congrats mean more. You will change once that one breathes and you fall in love for real. I promise.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

You are right, I can't. I have already admitted that I saw too many sig pics and threads to ever believe that. I could never openly hate a player the way you did. Not a Cowboys player. It went way beyond doubts. Once they are off the team, fine. But while they are trying to make the team and win for me and my fellow fans, not on your life.

I repeat what Emerson said, but my congrats mean more. You will change once that one breathes and you fall in love for real. I promise.

Emerson means nothing to me other than you're trying to attack who I am as a person. As I admitted, to an extent, I was antagonistic toward Henson fans. But I guarantee you won't find any other player I was ever bitter towards in all my history of being on message boards. I haven't been the least bit antagonistic since Romo became quarterback.

All is good in my mind... I'm on board with the coach, the OC, Jerruh and everyone else. To me you can justify being critical towards a player who is an obvious danger to the team. In the end, it doesn't matter what I thought. What matters is what the team thought about Romo and the decision they made. You and I can sit here and argue until we're blue in the face. I've hated one player in all of my homeristic history. I don't think that's such a sin. I remember you not being fond towards Quincy, etc.

The context was on one hand, 99.5% of fans wanted to see Henson start. And I was antagonized for having a differing opinion on the other. Since we're leaving each other quotes, I'll leave you with a quote from J.S. Mill, "If all mankind minus one were of one opinion and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that person that he, if had the power, would be silencing mankind... If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth; if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error."

 

[BubbleScreen]

I still (up to like 2 weeks ago) was getting into arguments with friends about how good Romo is too.

This. Romo is as good a quarterback as he can be without a Super Bowl ring or postseason victories in 3+ years. He can't do it all this year, but that ring would sure shut up most of the critics.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

This. Romo is as good a quarterback as he can be without a Super Bowl ring or postseason victories in 3+ years. He can't do it all this year, but that ring would sure shut up most of the critics.

No, no, no. All you need is pedigree. Drew Henson had it, but it didn't work out with him on this team--or any other team (probably because he was a skunk). But Romo has had it all along, his pedigree is just "quiet".

What was that Emerson quote again? I want to use it for ironic effect.

 

[lurkercowboy]

Not to change the subject, but I saw my baby on the ultra-sound screen today. I'm going to be such a proud father.

That is great! Congrats!

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

That is great! Congrats!

Thanks lurker. Long time no see. I hope you're well. We've been posting since before 2002. I would guess it was around 1999 on the old Austin360 site, no?

 

[jcdavey]

I'll agree that Romo has blossomed into a fine QB, but how do we find the next one? He was undrafted. We've seen some 1st round busts in recent years on many teams, and it seems to be a gamble in terms of getting the right guy.

Let's remember that these guys need time to develop and grow. Rivers was picked in San Diego (after the Manning trade) because Brees was regarded as "not good enough". It was only after a good season in SD that netted a second rounder for Brees. Russell was picked by Oakland, only to become the poster boy for a dysfunctional franchise. Both Mannings took time to develop and people are jumping off Eli's bandwagon after this season.

To me, the task of selecting a QB is like a complicated and frustrating chemistry experiment. I'd love it if someone could clearly predict (accurately and reliably) if a player has the combination of physical and mental skills to be a great QB. For every Peyton Manning, there's a Matt Leinhart, a Heath Shuler, a Todd Marinovich, Andre Ware, or Akili Smith, just to mention a few.

we didn't get a 2nd for brees

at all lol

brees' deal is, he's always been a guy who relaxes until there's a chip on his shoulder, well us drafting eli then trading eli for rivers was the chip drew needed to prove the front office wrong, and he did, 27 tds/7 ints during 2004 earned him the starting job again in 2005, his 2005 stats were good not great, but he got hurt in the last game, and in 2005 he'd been franchised, so we let him walk, we offered him 2 mill contract guaranteed with a chance to make it 10 if he was able to play 75% of the 2006 snaps, but drew got a better offer , 2 in fact, the dolphins offered him 6 mill guaranteed, and the saints offered him 10 mill guaranteed

he smartly chose new orleans.

a new chip put on his shoulder, and he played great, in fact with the new shoulder he got , he's been passing far better in new orleans than he ever did in sd...far better, he didn't look half that good in sd as he does in NO.

sd , because drew left in free agency, and because sd lost more FA's that offseason than they gained, only got a compensatory pick out of it (we drafted anthony waters, a project LB from clemson, project because his knee got messed up in college, and he turned into an nfl bust who ironically was later picked up by the saints..that's funny)


anyway , long story short, we're happy with rivers, he broke fouts' single season td record, he's apparently, the highest scoring qb on avg in the nfl, since the 50's , and he's considered by many one of the elites now

i believe romo is in that class too, i really do, romo's career stats are very favorable compared to rivers, and romo was a UDFA, that's special, probably along with gates will turn out to be the best UDFA's of all time if they keep up their stats

the playoff thing should come in time, it might be coming for romo all in the same year here, too early to tell, but he finally got over the hump of past failings, and those past failings weren't even his fault, he's one of the few cowboys i've seen consistently do his job whenever he plays.

the guy gets alot of crap from the media and he's a genuinely nice guy, it reminds me of the crap rivers gets from people , but in rivers case, he helps that a bit by talking good natured smack on the field

the media's just ********...and most of your common nfl fans are worthless sheep......

 

[jcdavey]

This. Romo is as good a quarterback as he can be without a Super Bowl ring or postseason victories in 3+ years. He can't do it all this year, but that ring would sure shut up most of the critics.

the ADD-plagued society we live in doesn't like to wait around these days and exhibit patience

i mean peyton by god manning didn't win a sb till his 8th season

do you know that after peyton's 5th playoffs he had 16 tds and 16 ints total?

and that dude has had his share of one and dones, yet everyone loves him to death, hell i think peyton's a pretty great guy, but damn, he's the media's love child

 

[GalvestonCowboyFan]

This is a little bit irrelevant, I realize, but I wanna say that Romo had the fastest ball-speed (read: arm strength) at his combine. I could be incorrect on this detail, so maybe someone can help me out.

 

[lurkercowboy]

Thanks lurker. Long time no see. I hope you're well. We've been posting since before 2002. I would guess it was around 1999 on the old Austin360 site, no?

It was late 90s but I can't remember exactly when we started. I think I started in 1996 or 97. That old site was like twitter in that the messages had to be short. Anyway things are much better now, more modern. Who would ever think that we would be posting for over a decade and not be able to enjoy a Cowboy playoff win until this week?

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

It was late 90s but I can't remember exactly when we started. I think I started in 1996 or 97. That old site was like twitter in that the messages had to be short. Anyway things are much better now, more modern. Who would ever think that we would be posting for over a decade and not be able to enjoy a Cowboy playoff win until this week?

No doubt. That's a great point. Our messages may have been short, but we still had some intense discussions on there.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

This is a little bit irrelevant, I realize, but I wanna say that Romo had the fastest ball-speed (read: arm strength) at his combine. I could be incorrect on this detail, so maybe someone can help me out.

Nope. You're correct.

 

[Hostile]

Emerson means nothing to me other than you're trying to attack who I am as a person. As I admitted, to an extent, I was antagonistic toward Henson fans. But I guarantee you won't find any other player I was ever bitter towards in all my history of being on message boards. I haven't been the least bit antagonistic since Romo became quarterback.

All is good in my mind... I'm on board with the coach, the OC, Jerruh and everyone else. To me you can justify being critical towards a player who is an obvious danger to the team. In the end, it doesn't matter what I thought. What matters is what the team thought about Romo and the decision they made. You and I can sit here and argue until we're blue in the face. I've hated one player in all of my homeristic history. I don't think that's such a sin. I remember you not being fond towards Quincy, etc.

The context was on one hand, 99.5% of fans wanted to see Henson start. And I was antagonized for having a differing opinion on the other. Since we're leaving each other quotes, I'll leave you with a quote from J.S. Mill, "If all mankind minus one were of one opinion and only one person were of the contrary opinion, mankind would be no more justified in silencing that person that he, if had the power, would be silencing mankind... If the opinion is right, they are deprived of the opportunity of exchanging error for truth; if wrong, they lose, what is almost as great a benefit, the clearer perception and livelier impression of truth, produced by its collision with error."

No, not trying to do that at all.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

No, not trying to do that at all.

OK, let's do something a lot of posters on this board are afraid to do. Let's drop it and just enjoy the season we're in right now.

Deal?

 

[Jimz31]

Personally, I am up in the air about the whole "Pedigree" thing. Has it worked for some? Absolutely...look at the Mannings...not one but two of Archie's kids are starters in the NFL. Has it worked for all? No. Phil Simms kid is lanquishing in the pros, but he's IN the pros.

I'd like to see a list of all of the QB's that made it in the NFL that had a pedigree.

Besides, a "pedigree" begins somewhere....before Archie, there was no "pedigree" that I know of.

Plus, would it really be THAT surprising? That a former Professional player had a kid or two that made it?

Look at Howie Long....his kid plays the same position that he did and he's starting for the Rams.

It makes sense to me. Nolan Ryan's kid was also a pitcher. Who better to teach him?

Perhaps alot of it has to do with the means of some of these kids. But that is an arguement in tself as well, because there are plenty of rags to riches stories out there as well.

Not down-playing the "pedigree" factor at all....as I said is see it. yet I also don't. Alot of it depends on the person....sometimes he either has it or he doesn't.

Also, it a "who you know" type of thing as well....there is a reason why a certain MLB team acquired the rights to Nolan Ryan's kid before he was even 10 years old....happens all the time.

Anyway, if there was a list out there, I'd like to see it....but I'm sure that it would be alot smaller than the list of QB's without said pedigree (that only makes sense).

 

[Hostile]

Personally, I am up in the air about the whole "Pedigree" thing. Has it worked for some? Absolutely...look at the Mannings...not one but two of Archie's kids are starters in the NFL. Has it worked for all? No. Phil Simms kid is lanquishing in the pros, but he's IN the pros.

I'd like to see a list of all of the QB's that made it in the NFL that had a pedigree.

Besides, a "pedigree" begins somewhere....before Archie, there was no "pedigree" that I know of.

Plus, would it really be THAT surprising? That a former Professional player had a kid or two that made it?

Look at Howie Long....his kid plays the same position that he did and he's starting for the Rams.

It makes sense to me. Nolan Ryan's kid was also a pitcher. Who better to teach him?

Perhaps alot of it has to do with the means of some of these kids. But that is an arguement in tself as well, because there are plenty of rags to riches stories out there as well.

Not down-playing the "pedigree" factor at all....as I said is see it. yet I also don't. Alot of it depends on the person....sometimes he either has it or he doesn't.

Also, it a "who you know" type of thing as well....there is a reason why a certain MLB team acquired the rights to Nolan Ryan's kid before he was even 10 years old....happens all the time.

Anyway, if there was a list out there, I'd like to see it....but I'm sure that it would be alot smaller than the list of QB's without said pedigree (that only makes sense).

Johnny Vaught.

 

[stilltheguru]

I still say that he wasn't a great qb until this season, but I don't fault people for thinking that he was from the jump. I thought he was from 06- the Giants 07 loss. He proved alot this year whether people want to admit it or not.

 

[Hostile]

I still say that he wasn't a great qb until this season, but I don't fault people for thinking that he was from the jump. I thought he was from 06- the Giants 07 loss. He proved alot this year whether people want to admit it or not.

He proved a lot before this year whether you want to admit it or not.

 

[CowboyMcCoy]

I still say that he wasn't a great qb until this season, but I don't fault people for thinking that he was from the jump. I thought he was from 06- the Giants 07 loss. He proved alot this year whether people want to admit it or not.

Jeez, breaking the all-time single season TD record isn't greatness? Tough standards there, pal. I don't think you've been paying much attention to his career. No guru there.

 

[stilltheguru]

He proved a lot before this year whether you want to admit it or not.

He did prove alot. He proved that he was going to be the starter for the next 8 plus years. He didn't prove that he could make good decisions in the clutch though. He didn't prove that he could take care of the ball late in the season. Now that he has learned those two things we can all enjoy the first playoff win in 13 years. His single season td record was great, but that doesn't make him a great quarterback. Great gets thrown around alot.