Great trade, great pick in Travis Fredrick

[TheRomoSexual]

For a first round pick at center you'd usually want a sure fire thing (or at least as close to it as you can get). Frederick isn't sure-fire by a long shot, and that worries me with our history of OL picks.

But reach or not, it IS an O-line pick and so I can't complain too much. He should be an upgrade at least. If we can get Clabo in FA, we'll have at least gotten Romo a "little" bit more protection.

What do you mean? Frederick is as "sure" as it gets. He'll be a starter day one.

 

[Doomsday]

Not sure if it was a great trade or pick, but I think it was a solid move to add a 3rd round pick and fill a huge hole at center. Nothing flashy but I dont get what every one is crying about.

 

[SMCowboy]

I want to explain something about my post above...you can like the guy but not the pick. Could this guy help out O-line and be a guy who can be around for 10 years...sure. Could be. Could we have picked a D-linemen at 18 and then had the same guy in the 2nd...probably. That's the rub. We trade down 13 spots for a 3rd and take a guy who had anywhere from a 3rd to a 4th round grade on him. Even the 2nd round grades said he needed work. So I'm fine with the position and the guy. I'm not fine with where he was picked and how we got caught looking confused and shell shocked by how the draft went down.

Who told you he had a 3rd or 4th round grade on him? Mike Mayock? The same guy that said that Sharrif Floyd was a top 5 pick, and by far the best DT in the draft?

The simple fact is, atleast most NFL teams disagreed with Mayock that Floyd was a top 5 quality player. Mayock even all but admitted on TV that the reason that Floyd was falling, is teams thought he was more hype than substance. Even after we saw how much Mayock was off compared to the rest of the NFL teams on Floyd, we are going to use his grading of Travis Fredrick as gospel on where Fredrick was graded by NFL teams?

 

[big dog cowboy]

Maybe Arkin or Leery can make a step up. But I have a feeling Costa will remain at OC and Freddie takes one of the OG positions.

Let's see what today brings. Fluid situation until the season opener actually.

 

[CashMan]

What do you mean? Frederick is as "sure" as it gets. He'll be a starter day one.

Well ya...look at his competition.

 

[Cowboys22]

I want to explain something about my post above...you can like the guy but not the pick. Could this guy help out O-line and be a guy who can be around for 10 years...sure. Could be. Could we have picked a D-linemen at 18 and then had the same guy in the 2nd...probably. That's the rub. We trade down 13 spots for a 3rd and take a guy who had anywhere from a 3rd to a 4th round grade on him. Even the 2nd round grades said he needed work. So I'm fine with the position and the guy. I'm not fine with where he was picked and how we got caught looking confused and shell shocked by how the draft went down.

Your whole post is blown up by one word you typed..."probably". That one word makes your entire argument nothing more that conjecture and pure speculation. So what if some had him as a 2nd or 3rd rounder, others has him as a late 1st and he was at the top of their board. There is plenty of doubt as to whether or not he would be there at 47 and with the run on OL, I think it's safe to say he would not have been there. If they wanted him, they had to take him there and the value matched their board.

 

[Oh_Canada]

So right now our OL is....

Smith Livings Frederick Bernadeau Free/Parnell

Still pretty craptacular but better than 24 hours ago.

I'm pretty sure Clabo or Winston will be a Cowboy as well at some point in the very near future.

 

[Miller]

Your whole post is blown up by one word you typed..."probably". That one word makes your entire argument nothing more that conjecture and pure speculation. So what if some had him as a 2nd or 3rd rounder, others has him as a late 1st and he was at the top of their board. There is plenty of doubt as to whether or not he would be there at 47 and with the run on OL, I think it's safe to say he would not have been there. If they wanted him, they had to take him there and the value matched their board.

Who told you he had a 3rd or 4th round grade on him? Mike Mayock? The same guy that said that Sharrif Floyd was a top 5 pick, and by far the best DT in the draft?

The simple fact is, atleast most NFL teams disagreed with Mayock that Floyd was a top 5 quality player. Mayock even all but admitted on TV that the reason that Floyd was falling, is teams thought he was more hype than substance. Even after we saw how much Mayock was off compared to the rest of the NFL teams on Floyd, we are going to use his grading of Travis Fredrick as gospel on where Fredrick was graded by NFL teams?

What are you talking about. Even the kid himself said he was a 2nd rounder. I already posted links in another thread from multiple sites that had him 2nd to 3rd rounder and one in the 4th. The National Football Post had him the 71st rated player. I'm not ripping the kid just to hate on the pick. This is the reality. We got caught with our pants down. If you read any of my other posts coming into the draft, I was fine with basically any of the situations at 18. Only getting a 3rd to move down 13 spots and then taking a guy rated lower, when you can get similar talent with the 47th isn't smart. People need to go look at mocks, what players are left today, etc and realize what was out there and how the draft was falling before just taking the team stance.

Look at this mock and the talent and the guys going. I'm just pulling stuff off Twitter alone.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/43149/60/second-day-mock-draft?pg=1

top 20 available

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/43153/325/top-20-best-available

As for his grades besides Mayock...4th Round here

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...board-2013-matt-millers-final-rankings/page/2

Here is the one includes with Mayocks...not glowing

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/travis-frederick?id=2540161

http://www.nfldraftgeek.com/travisfrederick.html

2nd or 3rd Round. #2 Center

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=41697

#1 OC but 71st Overall

Seriously start looking around the NFL landscape. EVERY one of these publications, even the ones with better grades had a slow guy who couldn't get to the 2nd level. Again, there is a difference between not liking a guy and not liking where we picked him. I like the guy, I don't like how they went about getting him because you could do more in this draft.

 

[CATCH17]

The trade was spot on, the points are exact for this type of draft, you must adjust your point chart. We loved Fredrick, he would have been gone at 47 with the run on o-lineman. Callahan has spent time with him, he plays both guard and center, he's smart with one hell of an anchor.

We took the bpa based on OUR needs and the way the draft was going. We are a better football team with Travis Fredrick.

Don't listen to the haters.

Great trade, great pick, great homer post.

 

[DFWJC]

If you take Oakland out of the equation--which appears we shoud keep doing every year until proven otherwise--Dallas got the worst value of all trades made yesterday.

Trades following Dallas' went almost exactly by the chart.
The chart favors those trading up in round one, but Dallas should have gotten at least a 4th rounder in additon to what they got. The trade still would have favored San Fran, but it would have been more in line with fiar.

 

[Texan_Eph89]

The trade was spot on, the points are exact for this type of draft, you must adjust your point chart. We loved Fredrick, he would have been gone at 47 with the run on o-lineman. Callahan has spent time with him, he plays both guard and center, he's smart with one hell of an anchor.

We took the bpa based on OUR needs and the way the draft was going. We are a better football team with Travis Fredrick.

Don't listen to the haters.

Jerry, is that you?

 

[CATCH17]

Seriously start looking around the NFL landscape. EVERY one of these publications, even the ones with better grades had a slow guy who couldn't get to the 2nd level. Again, there is a difference between not liking a guy and not liking where we picked him. I like the guy, I don't like how they went about getting him because you could do more in this draft.

Exactly.


When you take a center or even a guard in the 1st round you're looking for the total package. Smarts plus some athletic ability. He is not a 1st round player and I personally don't see a 2nd round player.

He is as slow footed as they come and plants his feet and falls down constantly because of it.

They need to put him on the sleds and have him push them all the way to Oxnard.

Let's see what today brings. Fluid situation until the season opener actually.

Im definetely ready for more picks so I can forget about this one for a bit.

If he was ranked 22nd than im scared of what we'll do next.

 

[Miller]

Exactly.


When you take a center or even a guard in the 1st round you're looking for the total package. Smarts plus some athletic ability. He is not a 1st round player and I personally don't see a 2nd round player.

He is as slow footed as they come and plants his feet and falls down constantly because of it.

They need to put him on the sleds and have him push them all the way to Oxnard.

EXACTLY. People are so enamored that they aren't looking at big picture....taking a guy we might need but who had serious limitations getting to the 2nd level and with footwork and speed. Even his top grades had these limitations. Great if he can maul and stand in there but if he is dealing with speed defenses that concerns me...especially considering he is our #1. Wouldn't as much as a #2 or #3. BUT I like his toughness. I think we seriously need to see how that 3 falls today to get a big picture of the 2 for 1.

 

[ufcrules1]

What are you talking about. Even the kid himself said he was a 2nd rounder. I already posted links in another thread from multiple sites that had him 2nd to 3rd rounder and one in the 4th. The National Football Post had him the 71st rated player. I'm not ripping the kid just to hate on the pick. This is the reality. We got caught with our pants down. If you read any of my other posts coming into the draft, I was fine with basically any of the situations at 18. Only getting a 3rd to move down 13 spots and then taking a guy rated lower, when you can get similar talent with the 47th isn't smart. People need to go look at mocks, what players are left today, etc and realize what was out there and how the draft was falling before just taking the team stance.

Look at this mock and the talent and the guys going. I'm just pulling stuff off Twitter alone.

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/nfl/43149/60/second-day-mock-draft?pg=1

top 20 available

http://www.rotoworld.com/articles/cfb/43153/325/top-20-best-available

As for his grades besides Mayock...4th Round here

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...board-2013-matt-millers-final-rankings/page/2

Here is the one includes with Mayocks...not glowing

http://www.nfl.com/draft/2013/profiles/travis-frederick?id=2540161

http://www.nfldraftgeek.com/travisfrederick.html

2nd or 3rd Round. #2 Center

http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/college_player_scouting_report.html&player=41697

#1 OC but 71st Overall

Seriously start looking around the NFL landscape. EVERY one of these publications, even the ones with better grades had a slow guy who couldn't get to the 2nd level. Again, there is a difference between not liking a guy and not liking where we picked him. I like the guy, I don't like how they went about getting him because you could do more in this draft.

Feels like the twighlights zone here sometimes doesn't it? Everyone out there knows we made multiple mistakes in this draft already but yet a few people here think we knocked it out of the park.

 

[cowboyfan4life2]

We passed up better talent to reach for a guy who some thought was a third round talent, and got fleeced in doing so.

 

[ufcrules1]

We passed up better talent to reach for a guy who some thought was a third round talent, and got fleeced in doing so.

Thank you. ^

 

[newlander]

EXACTLY. People are so enamored that they aren't looking at big picture....taking a guy we might need but who had serious limitations getting to the 2nd level and with footwork and speed. Even his top grades had these limitations. Great if he can maul and stand in there but if he is dealing with speed defenses that concerns me...especially considering he is our #1. Wouldn't as much as a #2 or #3. BUT I like his toughness. I think we seriously need to see how that 3 falls today to get a big picture of the 2 for 1.

.....that's the key to this. I mean, sure it was a reach for Frederick: the kid admitted HIMSELF he's a 2nd rounder!:laugh2: ......but if he is just SOLID for 5 years....a la Kyle Kosier, then it was probably ok...think about it.


so........who do you guys like with that 3rd round pick?

 

[Typhus]

It will be easier to digest if that 3rd is excellent value, thats the meat and potatoes of this draft, really deep right there.

 

[NickZepp]

We passed up better talent to reach for a guy who some thought was a third round talent, and got fleeced in doing so.

Doubt he was going to last till our next pick at 47. I think our best option was to trade back to maybe 35 or so and get another pick later on. But we probably couldn't get that value. Going to low may have meant losing out on a guy that will likely start next year. I honestly like the pick overall. Most of the other linemen available at 18 were more projects and not guys that were necessarily going to compete to start. Fredrick will probably start.

 

[StarBoyz83]

He looks pretty good as long as you dont run sweeps lol. I just thought C was the least one we needed fixed on the oline. Besides rt of course.