Great video of Tracy Porter

[theogt]

52 pts vs Mich St, 36 Penn St, 33 Wisconsin, 31 Northwestern, 49 Oklahoma St

thats their scoring defense in those games...that blows, and I seriously doubt that its because of the CB that everyone has rated as a 2nd/early 3rd rd pick

David

In those games he gave up 25 passes for 301 yards.

 

[theogt]

I believe your being a hypocrite tonight Theo

you cant use numbers as your story to bash this guy and then try to downplay the horrendous numbers of Early Doucet and defend him as a 1st rd pick...

David

They're two separate situations. I've explained the difference. What part do you not understand?

NFL coaching, maturity, experience, Porter is extremely raw

You could say that about 500 other players.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You could say that about 500 other players.

I bow to your analytical abilities :queefs: not

but 500 players don't have the talent that Porter does

 

[Goldenrichards83]

I'm having a hard time figuring out what your argument is. I'm showing you facts. These numbers represent how he played in college. Would you consider spending a high pick on a QB out of college that had one of the worst QB ratings in his entire draft class? No, of course not.

Come on now your better than that. You know exactly what my argument is. Matt Ryan has 19 ints but last I heard he's gonna be a top 10 selection you know why because the Pro scouts and evaluators see his ceiling is high and he hasn't reached his potential. I don't care for him but I was just giving you an example but you already know this. You have a great football mind but in this case you are caught up in the numbers.

 

[theogt]

I bow at your analytical ablities :queefs:

but 500 players don't have the talent that Porter does

How many games did you watch him play? How do you know he has talent? What are you basing this on? What makes you think that his terrible play in college is not an indication of how he'll play in the NFL?

 

[theogt]

Come on now your better than that. You know exactly what my argument is. Matt Ryan has 19 ints but last I heard he's gonna be a top 10 selection you know why because the Pro scouts and evaluators see his ceiling is high and he hasn't reached his potential. I don't care for him but I was just giving you an example but you already know this. You have a great football mind but in this case you are caught up in the numbers.

And I think it's INCREDIBLY foolish to draft Matt Ryan in the top 10 overall. I know teams draft players too high all the time. That's not proof that Porter isn't terrible.

 

[dbair1967]

In those games he gave up 25 passes for 301 yards.

you are definitely turning into the king of spin

Mich St total offense 558 yds, 368 on the ground
PSU had 387 yds, 192 on the ground
Wisconsin had 423 total, 279 on the ground
N'Western had 456 total yds offense
Oklahoma St was over 500 yds offense

so much for that dominant front 7 you were telling us about huh?

but I'm sure their pass rush looked quite stout against the powerhouses like Indiana St, Western Michigan, Akron and Ball St

David

 

[dbair1967]

They're two separate situations. I've explained the difference. What part do you not understand?

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I understand it fine...its called a spin doctor job

David

 

[theogt]

you are definitely turning into the king of spin

Mich St total offense 558 yds, 368 on the ground
PSU had 387 yds, 192 on the ground
Wisconsin had 423 total, 279 on the ground
N'Western had 456 total yds offense
Oklahoma St was over 500 yds offense

so much for that dominant front 7 you were telling us about huh?

but I'm sure their pass rush looked quite stout against the powerhouses like Indiana St, Western Michigan, Akron and Ball St

David

They're front seven got pressure. That much is obvious. Just look at their sack numbers. I have no idea why you'd try to argue otherwise.

 

[theogt]

I understand it fine...its called a spin doctor job

David

It's easy to call something "spin" when you can't refute it.

 

[dbair1967]

How many games did you watch him play? How do you know he has talent? What are you basing this on? What makes you think that his terrible play in college is not an indication of how he'll play in the NFL?

I havent seen one draft guys opinion that he was terrible in college, have you? If so, I'd like to know where exactly

David

 

[Goldenrichards83]

In those games he gave up 25 passes for 301 yards.

So against those teams the opposing receivers avg 5 catches for 60yards. I'm confused, is this a bad thing?

 

[Bob Sacamano]

How many games did you watch him play? How do you know he has talent? What are you basing this on? What makes you think that his terrible play in college is not an indication of how he'll play in the NFL?

1. I'm not a scout, I rely on what the reports say, I saw him in the Senior Bowl though, and he looked quick and was a willing tackler

2. if you question his talent, you are an imbecile

and 3. I'm not predicting that he'll be a superstar in the NFL, but at the same time, I'm not foolishly holding a raw prospect's college production against him

everyone, me, you, scouts, all acknowledge that Porter is as raw as they come, but his upside and talent is tremendous, he's a solid 2nd round prospect, all this shock-jock crap you're pulling that you wouldn't touch Porter before the 5th is idiotic

 

[theogt]

I havent seen one draft guys opinion that he was terrible in college, have you? If so, I'd like to know where exactly

David

His numbers are terrible. Most "draft guys" probably didn't actually look at his total numbers when writing their draft guides. These numbers aren't readily available. The "draft guys" watch 2-3 games and base their opinion on what they see in those 2-3 games.

 

[theogt]

1. I'm not a scout, I rely on what the reports say, I saw him in the Senior Bowl though, and he looked quick and physical

2. if you question his talent, you are an imbecile

and 3. I'm not predicting that he'll be a superstar in the NFL, but at the same time, I'm not foolishly holding a raw prospect's college production against him

everyone, me, you, scouts, all acknowledge that Porter is as raw as they come, but his upside and talent is tremendous, he's a solid 2nd round prospect, all this shock-jock crap you're pulling that you wouldn't touch Porter before the 5th is idiotic

Ok. So you just mimic whatever draft guide snippet you read. And call people imbeciles if they disagree with that draft guide. That makes sense.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Ok. So you just mimic whatever draft guide snippet you read. And call people imbeciles if they disagree with that draft guide. That makes sense.

:laugh2: you caught alot of Indiana games? I didn't think so, you're so full of **** dude

you really are Nors, say something really stupid to get a reaction, all you get is laughs though

Porter is universally recognized among scouts as a tremendous talent, you are ridiculous

 

[theogt]

:laugh2: you caught alot of Indiana games? I didn't think so, you're so full of **** dude

No. I didn't say I did.

 

[dbair1967]

It's easy to call something "spin" when you can't refute it.

I can refute it if I want, because I saw the guy play almost every week here on TV...and he stunk most weeks and his college career would have to be classified as a disappointment. He was hurt quite a bit and had one of the most pedestrian yds per catch numbers ever this past yr

I'm sorry, but you cant legitimately defend 9.2 yds per catch. I know how he was used just like anybody else does. Bradon Lafell averaged 13.1 yds per catch last yr, Demetrius Byrd 17.7 and Terrance Toliver 24.9...so why's Doucet at 9.2? Craig Davis and Dwayne Bowe both averaged more yds per catch in 2006, 2005 and 2004

David

 

[Goldenrichards83]

And I think it's INCREDIBLY foolish to draft Matt Ryan in the top 10 overall. I know teams draft players too high all the time. That's not proof that Porter isn't terrible.

Thats proof of what you just told me. This is your question Would you consider spending a high pick on a QB out of college that had one of the worst QB ratings in his entire draft class? I gave you an example terrible stats. What you have given me is no proof he isn't terrible. What you have giving me is stats that you cherry picked to make him looked terrible but ovelook more tellin stats that actually make my argument.

 

[dbair1967]

His numbers are terrible. Most "draft guys" probably didn't actually look at his total numbers when writing their draft guides. These numbers aren't readily available. The "draft guys" watch 2-3 games and base their opinion on what they see in those 2-3 games.

so they are wrong to rate this kid highly as a CB, but these same guys are right to rate Doucet as a late 1st/early 2nd rd pick?

David