Greg Hardy's Potential Appeal - A Primer

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First - I am a licensed and practicing attorney with my current practice area focused on administrative law. I examine and handle all sorts of legal matters from FOIA requests to questions of First Amendment rights as they pertain to my organization.

Also, there are other attorneys here that are more seasoned than I am, and I hope that they jump in. I just wanted to provide a little summary of the Brady case and how that could apply to Greg Hardy's potential for an appeal in federal court.

Brady, in short, hinged on notice, or as some people might better understand it, "due process." Essentially, the NFL failed to give Tom Brady proper notice of the potential disciplinary action (four-game suspension) and applied the wrong policy (conduct detrimental is not an equipment violation, according to Judge Berman.) For these reasons, the arbitration process in this case was considered improper. It does not mean, however, that Goodell still cannot continue to act as arbitrator in the future in other instances.

We also have the Adrian Peterson case, where Judge Doty ruled that because the standard of disciplinary action was 2 games at the time of the offense, that was the maximum that Roger Goodell could hand out, similarly because of what players were on notice for at the time.

This leaves me with two outcomes that I think are within the realm of possibility should Greg Hardy decide to pursue his claim against the NFL in federal court by way of the NFLPA:

  1. Greg Hardy's suspension gets reduced to two games. Similar to Peterson, Greg Hardy was only on notice of a potential of a two game suspension at the time of his alleged misconduct.
  2. Greg Hardy's suspension is vacated. In light of Brady and in light of Hardy receiving four games (previously reduced from ten), Hardy's suspension is vacated entirely because of improper notice of an impending ten game suspension (even if reduced to four games), which is in excess of the disciplinary standard at the time of the alleged misconduct.

How could this play out? A lot of posters are talking about how there's "no time". Brady's case was filed and ruled in about 30 days. I think that this ruling helps Hardy's team and the NFLPA push more for a settlement to avoid litigation. The NFL has taken a beating and would probably prefer not to lose in court for a third time in a row in relation to player discipline (although the NFL is quite strange in how they handle these cases).

The other way to play it out would be to file and seek a preliminary injunction and stay of proceedings until the following offseason in order to adequately litigate the case. This would "suspend the suspension" and allow Hardy to play this year, and then revisit the case in full next summer when all parties have adequate time and resources available for an equitable contest in court.

In my personal opinion, Hardy should pursue his case for further reduction of the suspension. Although nothing is for sure in the judicial system, I think it's very likely that his suspension would be reduced to two games based on persuasive law (Peterson). I also think with other creative claims he could potentially have his suspension fully vacated.

I'll answer as many questions as I can here, if anybody has any.
 

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Would an injunction put things off that long?

I didn't think it would be an entire season.
 

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Would an injunction put things off that long?

I didn't think it would be an entire season.

An injunction and temporary stay can, potentially. I vaguely recall a case in the NBA that was put off until the offseason. It's also in court's interest as well - surely they don't want to be dealing with yet another NFL case as the season approaches (and the holidays approaching).
 

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The last injunction I recall in the NFL was with some guys on the Vikings D-Line I think and it was pushed off until the next season. I may be completely wrong but thats just what I recall off my head

EDIT: http://www.vikings.com/news/article-1/Kevin-and-Pat-Williams-Win-Injunction‎/743c033c-567a-4c5b-a587-8d94e79e5fd7
The players sued the NFL in state court, saying it violated state labor law. Their four-game suspensions have been on hold while the case has been playing out in state and federal courts. The Williamses were allowed to play and they helped the Vikings reach the NFC title game in January.
 

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An injunction and temporary stay can, potentially. I vaguely recall a case in the NBA that was put off until the offseason. It's also in court's interest as well - surely they don't want to be dealing with yet another NFL case as the season approaches (and the holidays approaching).

I think that might have been Kobe.
 

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An injunction and temporary stay can, potentially. I vaguely recall a case in the NBA that was put off until the offseason. It's also in court's interest as well - surely they don't want to be dealing with yet another NFL case as the season approaches (and the holidays approaching).

Good points.

I am certain that the NFL doesn't want to be going through yet another court proceeding or proceedings as the season starts.
 

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Hardy was put on commisioners list and not allowed to play or be near the team last year in your opinion isnt that in fact a paid suspension which coukd result in a vacated nfl ruling?
 

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I can't imagine Hardy being willing to have this issue extend into another free agency period. Even a two game storm cloud hurts his earning potential on a long term deal.
 

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I can't imagine Hardy being willing to have this issue extend into another free agency period. Even a two game storm cloud hurts his earning potential on a long term deal.

I wouldn't think it would especially because I'm thinking Dallas would be his suitor.............He stays here, IMO.
 

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Hardy was put on commisioners list and not allowed to play or be near the team last year in your opinion isnt that in fact a paid suspension which coukd result in a vacated nfl ruling?

Possibly. The only thing different about the commissioner's exempt list is that players continue to get paid as opposed to disciplinary suspensions where they do not get paid. That's the NFL's most likely counterargument in the event this case got to trial before a judge. I can't say one way or another how it would go, but I think a judge would be inclined to agree with the NFL on that claim.
 

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Thanks for the legal perspective. I'm kind of divided here. I would love to have Hardy for Game 1. But if his case is tied to Brady's ruling, I'm kind of hoping the judge rules against Brady, and Brady has to serve the four-game suspension.
I've been a huge Tom Brady fan (not a Patriots fan), but this latest issue has soured me on him. I still think he's a great quarterback, but I'd hate to see him escape punishment here because I honestly believe he knowingly had those balls deflated and is pulling a Lance Armstrong.
 

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I wouldn't think it would especially because I'm thinking Dallas would be his suitor.............He stays here, IMO.

If that's the case, you may be right, but there's no way for him to know that for sure yet. Better to try to negotiate it down or to serve it quietly and hit FA without it overhanging and without a malcontent label.

Hardy has played it smart staying under the radar this offseason. It's in his interest to keep doing that.
 

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First - I am a licensed and practicing attorney with my current practice area focused on administrative law. I examine and handle all sorts of legal matters from FOIA requests to questions of First Amendment rights as they pertain to my organization.

Also, there are other attorneys here that are more seasoned than I am, and I hope that they jump in. I just wanted to provide a little summary of the Brady case and how that could apply to Greg Hardy's potential for an appeal in federal court.

Brady, in short, hinged on notice, or as some people might better understand it, "due process." Essentially, the NFL failed to give Tom Brady proper notice of the potential disciplinary action (four-game suspension) and applied the wrong policy (conduct detrimental is not an equipment violation, according to Judge Berman.) For these reasons, the arbitration process in this case was considered improper. It does not mean, however, that Goodell still cannot continue to act as arbitrator in the future in other instances.

We also have the Adrian Peterson case, where Judge Doty ruled that because the standard of disciplinary action was 2 games at the time of the offense, that was the maximum that Roger Goodell could hand out, similarly because of what players were on notice for at the time.

This leaves me with two outcomes that I think are within the realm of possibility should Greg Hardy decide to pursue his claim against the NFL in federal court by way of the NFLPA:

  1. Greg Hardy's suspension gets reduced to two games. Similar to Peterson, Greg Hardy was only on notice of a potential of a two game suspension at the time of his alleged misconduct.
  2. Greg Hardy's suspension is vacated. In light of Brady and in light of Hardy receiving four games (previously reduced from ten), Hardy's suspension is vacated entirely because of improper notice of an impending ten game suspension (even if reduced to four games), which is in excess of the disciplinary standard at the time of the alleged misconduct.

How could this play out? A lot of posters are talking about how there's "no time". Brady's case was filed and ruled in about 30 days. I think that this ruling helps Hardy's team and the NFLPA push more for a settlement to avoid litigation. The NFL has taken a beating and would probably prefer not to lose in court for a third time in a row in relation to player discipline (although the NFL is quite strange in how they handle these cases).

The other way to play it out would be to file and seek a preliminary injunction and stay of proceedings until the following offseason in order to adequately litigate the case. This would "suspend the suspension" and allow Hardy to play this year, and then revisit the case in full next summer when all parties have adequate time and resources available for an equitable contest in court.

In my personal opinion, Hardy should pursue his case for further reduction of the suspension. Although nothing is for sure in the judicial system, I think it's very likely that his suspension would be reduced to two games based on persuasive law (Peterson). I also think with other creative claims he could potentially have his suspension fully vacated.

I'll answer as many questions as I can here, if anybody has any.

Nice write up Casmith07. Not sure that Hardy can get his suspension vacated on the premise of "improper notice" since the League did have in place that a 2 game suspension was the "law of the shop". I can definitely foresee the suspension being reduced to 2 games. Judge Berman in his opinion states "It is the 'law of the shop' to provide professional football players with advance notice of prohibited conduct and potential discipline." In this case, the policy was a 2 game suspension for DV offenses or allegations and that may be enough notice as the "law of the shop" at the time of the offense. Retroactive enforcement of the League's new policy should not be permitted.

Just my thoughts on the possible vacated suspension. Fantastic write up though. Saved me the time of posting something similar. Thanks again.
 

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The problem with the injunction is that it could end up just delaying the 4-game suspension into later in 2015. Let's say he gets his injunction, and instead of agreeing to delay the proceedings until the offseason, they head right to court. All of a sudden it's Thanksgiving and bam... he loses and has to begin serving it.

Obviously the Cowboys and Hardy may have differing interests as it relates to further settlement v. going for the injunction. This might get really interesting over the next few days.
 

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Possibly. The only thing different about the commissioner's exempt list is that players continue to get paid as opposed to disciplinary suspensions where they do not get paid. That's the NFL's most likely counterargument in the event this case got to trial before a judge. I can't say one way or another how it would go, but I think a judge would be inclined to agree with the NFL on that claim.

Didn't Peterson just give back two weeks' paychecks from last season to get his suspension 'served?'
 

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Nice write up Casmith07. Not sure that Hardy can get his suspension vacated on the premise of "improper notice" since the League did have in place that a 2 game suspension was the "law of the shop". I can definitely foresee the suspension being reduced to 2 games. Judge Berman in his opinion states "It is the 'law of the shop' to provide professional football players with advance notice of prohibited conduct and potential discipline." In this case, the policy was a 2 game suspension for DV offenses or allegations and that may be enough notice as the "law of the shop" at the time of the offense. Retroactive enforcement of the League's new policy should not be permitted.

Just my thoughts on the possible vacated suspension. Fantastic write up though. Saved me the time of posting something similar. Thanks again.

Exactly the way I think Hardy's would go. And that appears pretty much open and shut, in my opinion. I don't know why the NFL would even attempt to fight it, but competency in legal advice, particulary in administrative matters, has not been its watchword.

Obviously going for total vacation of the suspension is shooting for the stars. But in hard bargaining, particularly in settlement negotiations, why not? The other side might blink first.

Didn't Peterson just give back two weeks' paychecks from last season to get his suspension 'served?'

Not sure how they handled the remedy, but I'll look it up. There are always creative ways to remedy situations.
 
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I wouldn't think it would especially because I'm thinking Dallas would be his suitor.............He stays here, IMO.

that and he's getting paid pretty handsomely here this season, that is when he's on the field
 

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First - I am a licensed and practicing attorney with my current practice area focused on administrative law. I examine and handle all sorts of legal matters from FOIA requests to questions of First Amendment rights as they pertain to my organization.

Also, there are other attorneys here that are more seasoned than I am, and I hope that they jump in. I just wanted to provide a little summary of the Brady case and how that could apply to Greg Hardy's potential for an appeal in federal court.

Brady, in short, hinged on notice, or as some people might better understand it, "due process." Essentially, the NFL failed to give Tom Brady proper notice of the potential disciplinary action (four-game suspension) and applied the wrong policy (conduct detrimental is not an equipment violation, according to Judge Berman.) For these reasons, the arbitration process in this case was considered improper. It does not mean, however, that Goodell still cannot continue to act as arbitrator in the future in other instances.

We also have the Adrian Peterson case, where Judge Doty ruled that because the standard of disciplinary action was 2 games at the time of the offense, that was the maximum that Roger Goodell could hand out, similarly because of what players were on notice for at the time.

This leaves me with two outcomes that I think are within the realm of possibility should Greg Hardy decide to pursue his claim against the NFL in federal court by way of the NFLPA:

  1. Greg Hardy's suspension gets reduced to two games. Similar to Peterson, Greg Hardy was only on notice of a potential of a two game suspension at the time of his alleged misconduct.
  2. Greg Hardy's suspension is vacated. In light of Brady and in light of Hardy receiving four games (previously reduced from ten), Hardy's suspension is vacated entirely because of improper notice of an impending ten game suspension (even if reduced to four games), which is in excess of the disciplinary standard at the time of the alleged misconduct.

How could this play out? A lot of posters are talking about how there's "no time". Brady's case was filed and ruled in about 30 days. I think that this ruling helps Hardy's team and the NFLPA push more for a settlement to avoid litigation. The NFL has taken a beating and would probably prefer not to lose in court for a third time in a row in relation to player discipline (although the NFL is quite strange in how they handle these cases).

The other way to play it out would be to file and seek a preliminary injunction and stay of proceedings until the following offseason in order to adequately litigate the case. This would "suspend the suspension" and allow Hardy to play this year, and then revisit the case in full next summer when all parties have adequate time and resources available for an equitable contest in court.

In my personal opinion, Hardy should pursue his case for further reduction of the suspension. Although nothing is for sure in the judicial system, I think it's very likely that his suspension would be reduced to two games based on persuasive law (Peterson). I also think with other creative claims he could potentially have his suspension fully vacated.

I'll answer as many questions as I can here, if anybody has any.

How can he get suspended for even two games when he hasn't be convicted of any crime. Is it not innocent until proven guilty? He hasn't been found guilty. ......equals no suspension
 
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