Greg Hardy's Potential Appeal - A Primer

[theogt]

Based on the Peterson case and this case, I'd put Hardy's chances of winning on the merits if he sued at something near 100%. By that I mean, at most he could receive a 2 game suspension for the abuse allegations, with no additional suspension for the failure to cooperate violation.

 

[dogberry]

Thank you,

Could something be said about the "cooperation" requirement?

I'm of the "you prove it, don't expect me to do your job" school. How tenable is that?

 

[silver]

It seems to me the NFL is in the saving face business as opposed to the applying tough discipline business. I doubt they want Brady or Peterson or even Hardy to miss significant time. They're in it for the ratings. Yesterday the you could find, moderately cheap tickets, (not the "get a second mortgage" type) for the Garapolo bowl in Dallas. Not anymore.

 

[Frozen700]

Charges were dismissed, but he still gets a 4 game suspension

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[FuzzyLumpkins]

Based on the Peterson case and this case, I'd put Hardy's chances of winning on the merits if he sued at something near 100%. By that I mean, at most he could receive a 2 game suspension for the abuse allegations, with no additional suspension for the failure to cooperate violation.

They still stuck with the failure to cooperate despite the DA refusing to even confirm an agreement existed when pressed? Is there anything higher than 100%?

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

Charges were dismissed, but he still gets a 4 game suspension

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While I agree with your sentiment, there at least is precedent for that happening. It wouldn't violate 'law of the shop.'

 

[theogt]

They still stuck with the failure to cooperate despite the DA refusing to even confirm an agreement existed when pressed? Is there anything higher than 100%?

Yeah, I'm not sure what they were referencing with the failure to cooperate as the statement didn't specify. But you're right it probably had to do with turning over a copy of the settlement.

 

[Hoofbite]

Couldn't have been more than a month or two ago when Hardy's chances were slim and he should just take the suspension.

 

[Bullflop]

Couldn't have been more than a month or two ago when Hardy's chances were slim and he should just take the suspension.

I think that was largely the fan reaction to the NFL reducing the suspension from 10 games to 4. The recent happenings with Brady and the judge's disenchantment with the NFL's handling of that case changes that. Nevertheless, even back then, I noticed a pretty substantial number of those favoring Hardy's appeal.

 

[ufcrules1]

Awesome write up Casmith! It seems clear as day that at most Hardy should only get 2 games. I would hope he files an emergency injunction and get this settled in the offseason and then be able to start week 1. We need him vs the Giants and Eagles as those are 2 very important games.

So, anyway, that is just what I personally want but it seems like the more likely outcome here is it gets reduced to 2 games through settlement. The NFL is not real happy right now though, so I could see them try to fight this too as not to look worse than they already do.

 

[erod]

Charges were dismissed, but he still gets a 4 game suspension

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The requirements in civil court aren't the same as criminal court. OJ got off, too, but he was sued for everything he had.

 

[erod]

I think Hardy cut a deal for four games. I bet he just wants the court battles to go away, serve the suspension, and be done with it. He doesn't want this incident rehashed over and over again.

 

[Sydla]

Charges were dismissed, but he still gets a 4 game suspension

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I wish people would stop saying this as if he went to trial and there was no evidence against him.

He was initially found guilty, opted for a trial by jury, then got his case thrown out because the girl wouldn't show up for trial because it appears he paid her off.

Fact is, I think he should have been punished. But the NFL went overboard basd on their own written policies and procedures. That's my issue.

 

[GroundZero1970]

Say what you want but the case was dismissed therefore LEGALLY not guilty its really pretty simple

 

[conner01]

To me lowering to two games seems a no brainier
A question for our lawyers and CBA experts
is the commissioners exempt list even covered in the CBA and is that also an over reach

 

[EST_1986]

I think Hardy cut a deal for four games. I bet he just wants the court battles to go away, serve the suspension, and be done with it. He doesn't want this incident rehashed over and over again.

I doubt he would consult with the NFLPA to take on the suspension if this were true

 

[conner01]

Say what you want but the case was dismissed therefore LEGALLY not guilty its really pretty simple

Legally he is not guilty
But innocent he is not
Love the player and think he should have been punished for what he did but that punishment should have been two games

 

[ufcrules1]

One question we need the attorneys to answer here is.. Does he have enough time to reach a settlement or get an emergency injunction?

 

[Sydla]

Say what you want but the case was dismissed therefore LEGALLY not guilty its really pretty simple

So what? The league doesn't need a guilty conviction to punish a player.

And if this goes before a judge, the argument won't be that he was technically not guilty. The NFLPA won't argue that. They'll argue procedure and past policies.

Which is why I find it peculiar people keep saying he was found not guilty. That really has no bearing on the NFL case here and no one that is really honest with themselves believes that he didn't do something that night. They are just hanging on a technicality where the girl got paid off and then thinking that should mean the NFL was wrong in issuing any penalty.

 

[GroundZero1970]

Did i miss the proof that he paid the girl off? I mean many think that but there is no proof, just like many believe Brady guilty but there really is no proof that i have seen anyway