Greg Hardy's Potential Appeal - A Primer

[GroundZero1970]

People say the bench trial he went through was essentially a grand jury indictment which if true people are indicted by a grandjury but not convicted during an actual trial so i am a bit confused on whether it was a real trial or just a grand jury type of formality

 

[Sydla]

OJ was innocent too.

 

[GroundZero1970]

I have my doubts he put hands on this woman. Lets face it if he wanted to hurt the girl there would have been substantial damage to her. Fwiw i grew up in a violent household , my real dad put hands on my mom and he was small like 150 lbs and the damage was EXTENSIVE. So things may not be as they appear.

 

[Denim Chicken]

So any word on an appeal?

 

[Sydla]

I have my doubts he put hands on this woman. Lets face it if he wanted to hurt the girl there would have been substantial damage to her. Fwiw i grew up in a violent household , my real dad put hands on my mom and he was small like 150 lbs and the damage was EXTENSIVE. So things may not be as they appear.

Yikes.

Domestic violence comes in all shapes and forms. You doubt Hardy could have simply just thrown her around the room? And your logic is that he was much larger than her and could have really screwed her up? That you doubt it because she didn't have a bloodied face or bloodied body?

 

[conner01]

It seems to me the NFL is in the saving face business as opposed to the applying tough discipline business. I doubt they want Brady or Peterson or even Hardy to miss significant time. They're in it for the ratings. Yesterday the you could find, moderately cheap tickets, (not the "get a second mortgage" type) for the Garapolo bowl in Dallas. Not anymore.

Good point
I'm sure the nfl would rather the courts deal with off field stuff altogether
Then they could deal just with the peds and drugs
But when players get into trouble it hurts their image
The league is in a tough spot, ideally you don't punish a player till he is actually convicted of something at the very least
But what if a player is charged with a serious crime, say kidnapping or murder, what does it do to their image if this guy is playing every week while waiting trial?
The league for good reason worries about their image just like any other business
But I think the ray rice case sent the league way over the line of punishing players and that's backfiring on them
The league is in a tough spot but instead of going overboard with punishment seems to me the better approach is simpler explain to the public what they can and can't do based on the CBA and if the public wants real punishment in cases like rice they should look at prosecutors not employers
People bashed the nfl for going soft on rice but the prosecutor who's only job is to punish crime is where the ball was dropped. He did nothing at all and the league should have been out pointing that out rather than trying to appease those who thinks it's an emoter a job to punish wrong doing

 

[erod]

Say what you want but the case was dismissed therefore LEGALLY not guilty its really pretty simple

That has nothing to do with it.

Ray Rice wasn't ruled guilty either.

 

[GroundZero1970]

He could have but like i said things may not be as they appear...apparently they needed her testimony to continue the case without it they could not couple thatbwith the fact her testimony kept changing and again things may not be as they appear.....sure dv doesnt mean he has to bloody her but if he pushed her away bcuz she was freaking out on him and he actuall called the cops is tht dv then?

 

[GroundZero1970]

That has nothing to do with it.

Ray Rice wasn't ruled guilty either.

Ray rice took a plea bargain

 

[erod]

Ray rice took a plea bargain

The point is, criminal court has nothing to do with civil court. You can't buy your way out of civil court with a witness.

 

[GroundZero1970]

I just have issues with ths league handing out conduct detrimental or player misconduct for the Dv without the legal systems guilty verdict, if thats the case they can suspend anyone at anytime for anuthing real or percieved

 

[casmith07]

People say the bench trial he went through was essentially a grand jury indictment which if true people are indicted by a grandjury but not convicted during an actual trial so i am a bit confused on whether it was a real trial or just a grand jury type of formality

It's a very weird construct in the North Carolina criminal justice system. It's borderline unconstitutional, in my opinion, but hey - North Carolina gonna North Carolina.

 

[casmith07]

Also, I would request that we not turn this thread into another "did he or didn't he" thread. There are endless amounts of threads to debate the ins and outs of the allegations. This is strictly for the legal ramifications and to answer those questions to the best of my ability so that our fanbase is a little smarter on the legal process.

 

[GroundZero1970]

The point is, criminal court has nothing to do with civil court. You can't buy your way out of civil court with a witness.

Point is even with a plea bargain it is still a guilty verdict ifor Rice. In order to use conduct detrimental or player misconduct there has to be clear cut guidelines on what is and what isnt those offenses

 

[erod]

I just have issues with ths league handing out conduct detrimental or player misconduct for the Dv without the legal systems guilty verdict, if thats the case they can suspend anyone at anytime for anuthing real or percieved

What you don't understand is that Brady's appeal had NOTHING to do with his guilt. Hardy's appeal wouldn't either. They aren't re-trying the cases in court.

What's being appealed is the penalty sanctions as they relate to the Collective Bargaining Agreement. That's it.

These appeal judges don't give a rip about guilt or innocence, deflated or not, he said she said. It's about the prescribed rules in the CBA and how it relates to Goodell's penalties. Nothing more.

 

[casmith07]

Point is even with a plea bargain it is still a guilty verdict ifor Rice. In order to use conduct detrimental or player misconduct there has to be clear cut guidelines on what is and what isnt those offenses

No it isn't. Ray Rice pled not guilty and then had judgment deferred to enter a diversionary program to avoid jail time, similar to probation but without a conviction on your record.

 

[NorthwestDallas40]

Sadly he will not appeal. He has an under the table deal with NFL once they cut the suspension to 4 games. Mark my words.

 

[erod]

Sadly he will not appeal. He has an under the table deal with NFL once they cut the suspension to 4 games. Mark my words.

It may not be entirely up to him. The NFLPA has a big say in this.

 

[btcutter]

I can't imagine Hardy being willing to have this issue extend into another free agency period. Even a two game storm cloud hurts his earning potential on a long term deal.

Also does Greg Hardy want to have people dig into this old scab again and publicize his past? Have to account for that as well.

 

[Idgit]

Also does Greg Hardy want to have people dig into this old scab again and publicize his past? Have to account for that as well.

He's done a pretty good job of keeping things quiet since he's been back. And his girlfriend just had a baby, which is also interesting given the negative press he's had going on the last two years. A lot of that was happening during her pregnancy, obviously, which I'd never heard before. He looks like he's being a good soldier.

I do wish he'd push to get the Peterson deal for his time served. For a misdemeanor offense that was vacated, I don't think that's unreasonable.