Greg Hardy's Potential Appeal - A Primer

[DandyDon52]

Sadly he will not appeal. He has an under the table deal with NFL once they cut the suspension to 4 games. Mark my words.

This could be the case, was it ever explained why it was cut from 10 to 4 ?
Brady has been fighting all year on getting 0 games, and what has hardy done?
Seems too late now.
You should hear something from him or jerry soon if anything is going to happen.

if they did make a deal already, then it will remain 4 games.

 

[btcutter]

He's done a pretty good job of keeping things quiet since he's been back. And his girlfriend just had a baby, which is also interesting given the negative press he's had going on the last two years. A lot of that was happening during her pregnancy, obviously, which I'd never heard before. He looks like he's being a good soldier.

I do wish he'd push to get the Peterson deal for his time served. For a misdemeanor offense that was vacated, I don't think that's unreasonable.

Best scenario is for the two side to settle quietly for 2 game suspension and be done. Hardy probably has little more gain than the NFL but both sides have something to lose. Neither side want more publicity now.

 

[Idgit]

Best scenario is for the two side to settle quietly for 2 game suspension and be done. Hardy probably has little more gain than the NFL but both sides have something to lose. Neither side want more publicity now.

If those two games weren't divisional games, I'd agree.

But, yeah, it's crossed my mind that they might be quietly working inside the system to get a compromise rather than buying more publicity for a suspension that neither the league nor the player nor the Cowboys really wants to be talking about.

 

[Hoofbite]

I think that was largely the fan reaction to the NFL reducing the suspension from 10 games to 4. The recent happenings with Brady and the judge's disenchantment with the NFL's handling of that case changes that. Nevertheless, even back then, I noticed a pretty substantial number of those favoring Hardy's appeal.

I was referring to the OP's last write up on Hardy.

 

[Nightman]

If Hardy and the NFLPA file an emergency injunction in Berman's or Doty's court it will get a ton of press considering the Brady case.

If he takes the suspension it will sting here in DAL but it won't get any more national press.

It is a tough call based on the money involved and the headaches. He did get his full salary last year. I would want it all to go away if I was Hardy, Brady had to fight for a full vindication for his legacy.

 

[Frozen700]

The requirements in civil court aren't the same as criminal court. OJ got off, too, but he was sued for everything he had.

Ahhh I see.....

Thanks

 

[Frozen700]

I wish people would stop saying this as if he went to trial and there was no evidence against him.

He was initially found guilty, opted for a trial by jury, then got his case thrown out because the girl wouldn't show up for trial because it appears he paid her off.

Fact is, I think he should have been punished. But the NFL went overboard basd on their own written policies and procedures. That's my issue.

Ok boss, relax

 

[Kaiser]

This could be the case, was it ever explained why it was cut from 10 to 4 ?

The other way to read it is the deal hasn't been cut yet. If the NFL even remotely follows their own rules the suspension would be Zero or Two games. They announced it as 10 games purely as a PR move to look tough on the issue, knowing that number would be reduced later on. It could be that they expected it to be completely eliminated so reducing the suspension to four games still gives them something to negotiate with if Hardy's attorneys threaten to make a food fight out of things. They could "give up" two games and still end up with the two game suspension it should have been from the beginning (if not zero).

 

[ConstantReboot]

How can he get suspended for even two games when he hasn't be convicted of any crime. Is it not innocent until proven guilty? He hasn't been found guilty. ......equals no suspension

Someone here mentioned a case against Kobe. He served no disciplinary action because he was found innocent. Why then does Hardy have to face suspension when he wasn't found guilty at all?

 

[khiladi]

If the NFL ruling on Brady was arbitrary, so was the judges.

How is deflating balls conduct not detrimental to the league, nor is covering up an investigation, and PEDs alone is?

If Sherman argues that the second half was better than the first for the Patriots, showing it didn't affect the game, that is like saying a strongly superior team can never be accused of cheating...

What did Hardy do that was detrimental to the league? He got caught up in an argument with his ex-girlfriend that went public of which nobody even can verify what happened..

 

[Irvin88_4life]

Someone here mentioned a case against Kobe. He served no disciplinary action because he was found innocent. Why then does Hardy have to face suspension when he wasn't found guilty at all?

Great point

 

[dallasdave]

Great point

Yeah !!!!

 

[dallasdave]

Someone here mentioned a case against Kobe. He served no disciplinary action because he was found innocent. Why then does Hardy have to face suspension when he wasn't found guilty at all?

Well said indeed sir !!!!!

 

[Kaiser]

Too funny, an article just posted that NFL Owners are meeting to suspend Goodell indefinitely from his role in handing out suspensions:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-roger-goodells-role-in-disciplinary-process/

Owners of NFL teams plan to discuss the possibility of changing Commissioner Roger Goodell’s role in the player disciplinary process, several people familiar with the situation said Friday.

Although it’s uncertain whether Goodell’s authority would be reduced, the decision to reevaluate his role resolving appeals is the first solid sign the outcome of Tom Brady’s court case could have a lasting and significant impact on his position.

“There will certainly be discussion about that,” one owner said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic. The owner said he is “not sure where it will lead.”

 

[Hoofbite]

If the NFL ruling on Brady was arbitrary, so was the judges.

How is deflating balls conduct not detrimental to the league, nor is covering up an investigation, and PEDs alone is?

If Sherman argues that the second half was better than the first for the Patriots, showing it didn't affect the game, that is like saying a strongly superior team can never be accused of cheating...

What did Hardy do that was detrimental to the league? He got caught up in an argument with his ex-girlfriend that went public of which nobody even can verify what happened..

You may as well ask, "What did Big Ben do that was detrimental to the league?"

Is there really any need to ask that question? How the NFL chooses to define what is detrimental always has been and always will be up to the discretion of the NFL. Just like any other employer in the country, they decide what conduct makes them look bad. Arguing whether or not you think it was detrimental is pointless because neither you or I - nor anyone else on this site - has any say in the matter because we aren't owners in the NFL.

Now, whether or not his suspension is just is certainly up for debate, but even this ultimately doesn't matter because it looks like he'll serve every bit of that 4 game suspension without a fight.

I suspect the real reason he isn't going to contest it is because the NFL holds the ultimate trump card. As far as I can tell, he's still on the exempt list. Searched around a bit and no mention of him ever coming off the list. Asked in this thread and nobody replied so I'm assuming that nobody really knows. If he is on the list, overturning his suspension is irrelevant because he still cannot play while he's on that list. Roger controls when he comes off the exempt list and the exempt list has been an included part of the CBA for some time (Vick went on it in 2009) so there is no "technicality" to have the courts intervene. He could have his suspension entirely squashed and still be subject to Roger's call. As it is, he's probably hoping that his 4 game suspension will satisfy Roger's need for punishment, but if he were to go through with the appeal and have his suspension reduced to nothing who knows how long Roger keeps him on that list. Based on when Peterson came off the list, it could be the full 10 games.

 

[Hoofbite]

Someone here mentioned a case against Kobe. He served no disciplinary action because he was found innocent. Why then does Hardy have to face suspension when he wasn't found guilty at all?

Maybe because the NFL and the NBA are separate entities and make their own policies regarding player conduct.

 

[Hoofbite]

Too funny, an article just posted that NFL Owners are meeting to suspend Goodell indefinitely from his role in handing out suspensions:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/...-roger-goodells-role-in-disciplinary-process/

Owners of NFL teams plan to discuss the possibility of changing Commissioner Roger Goodell’s role in the player disciplinary process, several people familiar with the situation said Friday.

Although it’s uncertain whether Goodell’s authority would be reduced, the decision to reevaluate his role resolving appeals is the first solid sign the outcome of Tom Brady’s court case could have a lasting and significant impact on his position.

“There will certainly be discussion about that,” one owner said, speaking on the condition of anonymity because of the sensitivity of the topic. The owner said he is “not sure where it will lead.”

Don't look for it. When all this passes, business as usual will resume because there are no more players with pending discipline that might fall outside of the new rules.

 

[DandyDon52]

Here is how this particular exempt list is explaining in the NFL Player Personnel Policy Manual:


EXEMPT LIST. The Exempt List is a special player status available to clubs only in unusual circumstances. The List includes those players who have been declared by the Commissioner to be temporarily exempt from counting within the Active List limit. Only the Commissioner has the authority to place a player on the Exempt List; clubs have no such authority, and no exemption, regardless of circumstances, is automatic. The Commissioner also has the authority to determine in advance whether a player's time on the Exempt List will be finite or will continue until the Commissioner deems the exemption should be lifted and the player returned to the Active List.

SO the question is hardy's finite or up to Rodger ??
As hoofbite said getting the suspension reduced might not matter if Rodger does not take him off the list.
Hard is contering with nflpa about filing a suit.

 

[Toruk_Makto]

If Hardy and the NFLPA file an emergency injunction in Berman's or Doty's court it will get a ton of press considering the Brady case.

If he takes the suspension it will sting here in DAL but it won't get any more national press.

It is a tough call based on the money involved and the headaches. He did get his full salary last year. I would want it all to go away if I was Hardy, Brady had to fight for a full vindication for his legacy.

The court ruling did not take any of the tarnish of this latest ash on the Patriots and Brady.

The ruling was procedural and did not comment on whether Brady did or did not cheat

He will always be the guy who destroyed his cell when asked for evidence.

 

[Nightman]

The court ruling did not take any of the tarnish of this latest ash on the Patriots and Brady.

The ruling was procedural and did not comment on whether Brady did or did not cheat

He will always be the guy who destroyed his cell when asked for evidence.

Yes, but my point is that if Hardy appeals it will be big news and the talking heads at ESPN will only talk about the charges and not the merits of the appeal.

As it is Hardy is just one of 30 guys suspended to start the season and may be ready to move on.

If he wants to fight, I would back him 100% though.