News: Gregory Failed Yet another Drug Test

[GimmeTheBall!]

You just aren't very bright, are you? Why don't you go protest something snowflake!

I would probably protest the intolerant first. Someone like ... you, an absolutist, a regimented, Calvinist bloke who discerns who is bright and who is not.
Yes, you ... Heh.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Yes, only the Yanks have a drug problem.

Britain the worst in Europe for drug use
by MATTHEW HICKLEY, Daily Mail

Britain is now the drugs capital of Europe, with higher levels of cocaine and amphetamine abuse than anywhere else in the EU, a survey said yesterday.

Cocaine use is rising faster than in any other country while cannabis use is among the highest.

The proportion of Britons who admit using amphetamines is almost twice as high as anywhere else in Europe.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-141237/Britain-worst-Europe-drug-use.html

I was referring to legal drugs, not the illegal type that killed little Jimmy Morrison while he made his primal scream "I want to help you, Mother!"
But come to think of it, illegal drugs are rampant in the mother country...I blame the Pakis and the jihadists.
But, overall, ya know, it takes a lot of stimulants to colonize the world.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

I was referring to legal drugs, not the illegal type that killed little Jimmy Morrison while he made his primal scream "I want to help you, Mother!"

Ok. Again, so you walk around in the US work place and follow us around when the legal drugs are taken. As for Morrison, he was coughing up blood before the last night even happened. So pretty sure he didn't have much time left either way.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

Ok. Again, so you walk around in the US work place and follow us around when the legal drugs are swallowed. As for Morrison, he was coughing up blood before the last night even happened. So pretty sure he didn't have much time left either way.

Pity, his demise. Poetic singer, troubled, and quite the exhibitionist.
As for following anybody, '60s lad, I just follow Bukowsky, woody Guthrie and Karl Marx.

 

[SlammedZero]

Interesting. What an odd way for a story, or non-story, to develop. Anyways, if this is true, they definitely need to just cut their losses. It was a risk pick that backfired. Oh well, you move on.
Too bad for the kid.

 

[tyke1doe]

Yes, only the Yanks have a drug problem.

Britain the worst in Europe for drug use
by MATTHEW HICKLEY, Daily Mail

Britain is now the drugs capital of Europe, with higher levels of cocaine and amphetamine abuse than anywhere else in the EU, a survey said yesterday.

Cocaine use is rising faster than in any other country while cannabis use is among the highest.

The proportion of Britons who admit using amphetamines is almost twice as high as anywhere else in Europe.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-141237/Britain-worst-Europe-drug-use.html

So this establishes the fact that most Bible thumpers are abusing Zanex?

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

So this establishes the fact that most Bible thumpers are abusing Zanex?

I was just replying to the Brit that they too have a drug problem. He was referring to our so called legal drug problem. Guess I should have posted their legal drug problem. Maybe I was high on aspirin and lost my thought process. lol.

 

[tyke1doe]

I was just replying to the Brit that they too have a drug problem. He was referring to our so called legal drug problem. Guess I should have posted their legal drug problem. Maybe I was high on aspirin and lost my thought process. lol.

No problem. As a general rule, it's best to stay away from "most" statements - unless there's scientific validity to support the claim - because it is impossible to know or prove what "most" people do. One of my pet peeves. Not to mention he took a swipe at people who believe the Bible.

 

[PJTHEDOORS]

No problem. As a general rule, it's best to stay away from "most" statements - unless there's scientific validity to support the claim - because it is impossible to know or prove what "most" people do. One of my pet peeves. Not to mention he took a swipe at people who believe the Bible.

Ya, that wasn't cool.

 

[JJHLH1]

Of course you don't because of your own bias.

Nonetheless I just showed you where a potential study was presented two different ways and was only accepted when it was written as looking for negative effects of pot as opposed to the denied identical study presented as looking for medicinal properties.

NIDA is a sophist organization.

One last time, unlike you I don't think the New England Journal of Medicine has bias. It is the oldest and most respected medical journal in the world (established 1812). You sound like a conspiracy theorist with your unfounded accusations of bias. Here is a copy of their June 2014 review article summarizing the adverse health effects of marijuana.

https://dfaf.org/assets/docs/Adverse health effects.pdf

http://i125.***BLOCKED***/albums/p71/JJHLH1/Weed_zpsg6jvugro.jpg

One of the damaging effects of marijuana use is its high correlation with diminished lifetime achievement. That certainly seems to be true in the case of Randy Gregory. Despite knowing the severe consequences that would result to him, his family, and the team he couldn't stop.

 

[BourbonBalz]

I would probably protest the intolerant first. Someone like ... you, an absolutist, a regimented, Calvinist bloke who discerns who is bright and who is not.
Yes, you ... Heh.

I simply call em like I see em!

 

[CCBoy]

One last time, unlike you I don't think the New England Journal of Medicine has bias. It is the oldest and most respected medical journal in the world (established 1812). You sound like a conspiracy theorist with your unfounded accusations of bias. Here is a copy of their June 2014 review article summarizing the adverse health effects of marijuana.

https://dfaf.org/assets/docs/Adverse health effects.pdf

http://i125.***BLOCKED***/albums/p71/JJHLH1/Weed_zpsg6jvugro.jpg

One of the damaging effects of marijuana use is its high correlation with diminished lifetime achievement. That certainly seems to be true in the case of Randy Gregory. Despite knowing the severe consequences that would result to him, his family, and the team he couldn't stop.

Individual lack of discipline is only increased with use of prohibited drugs...still, a core personality issue that is reinforced despite all outside values affected.

The kid values a rogue nature and life style. Which aligns nicely with marijuana use and denials.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

I simply call em like I see em!

Yes, you do, an astute observer and an expert on others' brainpower!

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

One last time, unlike you I don't think the New England Journal of Medicine has bias. It is the oldest and most respected medical journal in the world (established 1812). You sound like a conspiracy theorist with your unfounded accusations of bias. Here is a copy of their June 2014 review article summarizing the adverse health effects of marijuana.

https://dfaf.org/assets/docs/Adverse health effects.pdf

http://i125.***BLOCKED***/albums/p71/JJHLH1/Weed_zpsg6jvugro.jpg

One of the damaging effects of marijuana use is its high correlation with diminished lifetime achievement. That certainly seems to be true in the case of Randy Gregory. Despite knowing the severe consequences that would result to him, his family, and the team he couldn't stop.

It's a NIDA study that was published in the NEJM. None of what I stated before is refuted by this claim.

I show where NIDA has bias in terms of what work they will accept and your response is that they got published in the NEJM? That is an appeal to authority so you can repeat yourself; not an argument against bias.

NIDA controlled all of the research. What is NEJM and JAMA who has posted there stuff to do? Just ignore it?

Are you are any point going to address the conflict of interest with the NIDA and DEA controlling pot research? Or you just going to ignore it and look for the most damning studies from them that you can find?

 

[waldoputty]

One last time, unlike you I don't think the New England Journal of Medicine has bias. It is the oldest and most respected medical journal in the world (established 1812). You sound like a conspiracy theorist with your unfounded accusations of bias. Here is a copy of their June 2014 review article summarizing the adverse health effects of marijuana.

https://dfaf.org/assets/docs/Adverse health effects.pdf

http://i125.***BLOCKED***/albums/p71/JJHLH1/Weed_zpsg6jvugro.jpg

One of the damaging effects of marijuana use is its high correlation with diminished lifetime achievement. That certainly seems to be true in the case of Randy Gregory. Despite knowing the severe consequences that would result to him, his family, and the team he couldn't stop.

Diminished lifetime achievement...
There are lots of scientists (successful ones even) that smoke pot.

I actually know scientists that did research on pot and found that it was less bad than alcohol and possibly salt.
Though a lot of their findings were 'not published for public consumption'...

It does not matter.
Gregory is still an idiot and loser.
We still need a new DE.

 

[Hoofbite]

One of the damaging effects of marijuana use is its high correlation with diminished lifetime achievement. That certainly seems to be true in the case of Randy Gregory. Despite knowing the severe consequences that would result to him, his family, and the team he couldn't stop.

While I wish I would have jumped into this thread earlier, I don't have a big interest in rooting through page after page to catch up on how this discussion began or what the two sides of the discussion are arguing. That said, I would like to respond to the bolded portion above.

I would imagine incarceration for any reason is also highly correlated with diminished lifetime achievement. Given that the US incarcerates people for weed use, I'm not sure this is a surprising correlation. One positive test would have knocked me off of my career pathway. Would a positive test have made me (on an isolated individual basis) any less capable of maximizing my potential lifetime achievement? No, probably not, but given the fact that my punishment would have been for my career path to be derailed it's not surprising that such a correlation is out there. Consequently, the correlation seems like it could be based more on extrinsic societal, legal, and even psychological (in the form of hiring practices) factors of marijuana use than it is any sort of intrinsic aspect of marijuana itself.

I think the case with Randy is that he has a whole list of issues in addition to a dependence on marijuana. Unfortunately for him, while being marijuana-dependent is likely the least of his problems, it just happens to be the one that he can be punished for. He could have a list of behavioral, emotional, and/or psychological health issues that undoubtedly contribute more to how far he gets in life and never miss as many games as he's already missed for testing positive.

In any event, I don't think Randy is a good example for any of the outcomes that could be cited in literature because he either:

A) Has behavioral, emotional, or psychological issues that make any sort of comparison questionable, or

B) Doesn't have any underlying conditions, in which case he has a level of dependence that far exceeds the norm. With over 40% of the US reporting use at some point in their life, Gregory is undoubtedly an outlier within the outliers. Apply such a level of dependence to almost anything and you'll be able to draw some negative correlations.​

 

[JJHLH1]

I show where NIDA has bias in terms of what work they will accept and your response is that they got published in the NEJM.

You cited something from 2004, which is pretty weak and difficult to take seriously. How about something recent? If that's the best you can come up with it basically refutes your own argument.

That is an appeal to authority so you can repeat yourself; not an argument against bias.

It's deferring to the experts. The New England Journal of Medicine is the most respected peer reviewed medical journal in the world because they have a long history of accuracy and truth. It certainly wouldn't be in their interest to publish something that would put that hard earned reputation in jeopardy.

What is NEJM and JAMA who has posted there stuff to do? Just ignore it?

Of course! This happens all the time when editorial review boards don't think the article is scientifically rigorous or accurate. That is their job!

NIDA controlled all the research.

You obviously didn't read the article. There isn't any original research by the NIDA as you misrepresent. It is a review article summarizing the current state of scientific knowledge regarding the adverse health effects of marijuana use. It lists 77 references, none from the NIDA. Here it is again so you can see:

https://dfaf.org/assets/docs/Adverse health effects.pdf

Are you are any point going to address the conflict of interest with the NIDA and DEA controlling pot research? Or you just going to ignore it and look for the most damning studies from them that you can find?

Perhaps you should read the article and then tell us specifically where the bias is, why it was missed by the editors of the world's most respected medical journal, and why it hasn't been refuted in the medical literature since it's publication 2 years ago. The onus is on you my friend since you are the one claiming bias. I'll eagerly await your reply.

 

[JJHLH1]

While I wish I would have jumped into this thread earlier, I don't have a big interest in rooting through page after page to catch up on how this discussion began or what the two sides of the discussion are arguing. That said, I would like to respond to the bolded portion above.

I would imagine incarceration for any reason is also highly correlated with diminished lifetime achievement. Given that the US incarcerates people for weed use, I'm not sure this is a surprising correlation. One positive test would have knocked me off of my career pathway. Would a positive test have made me (on an isolated individual basis) any less capable of maximizing my potential lifetime achievement? No, probably not, but given the fact that my punishment would have been for my career path to be derailed it's not surprising that such a correlation is out there. Consequently, the correlation seems like it could be based more on extrinsic societal, legal, and even psychological (in the form of hiring practices) factors of marijuana use than it is any sort of intrinsic aspect of marijuana itself.

I think the case with Randy is that he has a whole list of issues in addition to a dependence on marijuana. Unfortunately for him, while being marijuana-dependent is likely the least of his problems, it just happens to be the one that he can be punished for. He could have a list of behavioral, emotional, and/or psychological health issues that undoubtedly contribute more to how far he gets in life and never miss as many games as he's already missed for testing positive.

In any event, I don't think Randy is a good example for any of the outcomes that could be cited in literature because he either:

A) Has behavioral, emotional, or psychological issues that make any sort of comparison questionable, or

B) Doesn't have any underlying conditions, in which case he has a level of dependence that far exceeds the norm. With over 40% of the US reporting use at some point in their life, Gregory is undoubtedly an outlier within the outliers. Apply such a level of dependence to almost anything and you'll be able to draw some negative correlations.​

You make a well-reasoned point which I think is valid. But there appears to be more to it than can be explained by incarceration alone, although the study does indicate that the relationship between cannabis use and psychosocial harm is likely to be multifaceted.

6.5% of 12th graders report daily or near daily marijuana use (and this may be underreported since many such students are likely to drop out) and evidence suggests that such use results in measurable and long-lasting cognitive impairments, particularly among those who started to use marijuana in early adolescence.

The study concludes that failure to learn at school, even for short or sporadic periods, will interfere with the subsequent capacity to achieve increasingly challenging educational goals, a finding that may also explain the association between regular marijuana use and poor grades.

 

[TellerMorrow34]

Jesus this kid is just flat out stupid. He isn't even going to have a career cause hes too stupid to stay clean.

Moron.

 

[DIAF]

Called this the day we drafted this guy.